drakers

Bush should go on trial now that they are done searching for the very things we went to war over. But republicans would like to make the point" Oh but the world is much better without him" Now that thousands of lives have been destroyed by our bombing.

hunnychile

Nah, Bush and all his minions are too busy spending 42 Million on a big party in Washington for "The Haves".

Obviously we weren't invited. Bush says he wants to spread Freedom all over the World....What a lie and pretense.

Meanwhile our dedicated young soldiers don't even have proper body protection or safe vehicles in this Iraq War. Oh, and BushCo is planning on invading Iran soon, too. Just because: (yah, don't worry...they'll pretend those Weapons of Mass Destruction are there now).

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almostaugust

Didnt Clinton have to go on a apology tour for having his dick sucked? Bush should at least issue some kind of regret about this. This was the primaray reason for the invasion. You cant just pass it off as an intelligence mistake. That is weak. 100, 000 people are dead because of this decision. Or he could at least ask god to give some kind of official statement, because it was god who told him to go to war in the first place.

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America, a self proclaimed democracy, went to war under international law in supposed self defence (it would have been illegal to invade a country simply to 'liberate' citizens from a tyrant). We went in with WMDs to find and the obvious connections from Iraq to al Qaeda, those being legitimate reasons to go to war.

These reasons have since been disproven. We are still there.

This is very cut and dry. We have no buisness being in Iraq, as they never posed a threat to our country. Had the Iraqi citizens called on american aid to overthrow Saddam, we might have a reason. That is not the case.

This was not a war, but an invasion without legal or moral base, the conclusion of which has frightening implications for future generations. What happens the next time America decides to claim someone else has WMDs or connections to terrorism? We get hundreds of thousands of civilians dying and our soldiers being used not for protection, but domination. Can no one stop this?

powerclown

"Uphill Battle"



I think the driver is Iraqi.

roadkill

Bottom line is america fucked up. Enough said. We need Bush to admitt hes wrong (i have faith hes human and that hes able to make mistakes) yet hes too arrogant to admitt it. Ergo there is the problem

daswig

You DO realize that they did indeed find at least one bunker with WMDs in Iraq, but it hasn't been opened yet because they don't know how to do it safely, right? It was listed in the CIA report...

Mephisto2

Erm... How do they know there is WMD in it if it hasn't been opened?



And surely, if this truly were the case, we would have heard this trumpeted at proof. This is the first I've ever heard that WMD's were indeed discovered.

And finally, no one is arguing over the fact that WMD's did exist (we all know they did), but whether there was an active programme and whether Iraq was a real threat to the US.


Mr Mephisto

daswig

They're under seal from an international agency from right after the cease-fire, they have the manifests of what's in there, but because of the way it was stored, they're more than slightly concerned about how to get it all out safely.

FYI, their inventory was supposed to be destroyed according to the cease-fire, but apparently they didn't get around to it.

this is the full text of page 78 of Section 3 of the Duelfer Report, available at
http://www.foia.cia.gov/duelfer/Iraqs_WMD_Vol3.pdf

Pay special attention to the bold, italicized part that's separated.

Mephisto2

Thanks for the link.

My comment was partly tongue-in-cheek, but the main point I was trying to make was that we all know Iraq had WMD. The issue people seem to have (including me, who actually supported the invasion initially!!) was the complete rubbish that Bush and Blair spouted about "current" (or contemporaenous if you will) programs and imminent threats to the US and UK safety.

Perhaps it was because of faulty intelligence. Perhaps it was because Bush & Co wanted to invade anyway, so they were more likely to rely upon faulty intelligence. Who knows? I'm not one of the ones who believe Bush willfully and conspiratorially misled the people. I just think he turned a blind eye when he should have been more careful. That, or he's just plain stupid.



Mr Mephisto

daswig

Well, it depends by what you mean by "had". Yes, we all knew he had them prior to 1991. We all know that under the terms of the cease-fire and UN resolutions, he was required to destroy existing stockpiles after the war. We went in during 2004, 13 years AFTER the original cease-fire said he would destroy his existing stockpiles, and there were, indeed, still stockpiles there. Why hadn't they been destroyed in those intervening 13 years, and how long should we have waited for him to comply with the 1991 ceasefire?

Were they post 1991 production? Nope. At least not that we have found. Were there still chemical weapons stockpiles that posed a danger? According to that report, yes, there were. "Under UN seal" means that if he wanted to access them, all he would have had to do is snip the plastic or metal sealing device, which is reasonably similar to a quik-cuff. One guy with a pair of pliers or tin snips could have done it. They haven't gone into the bunkers because apparently their MOPP suits wouldn't "cut it" from a safety perspective. If Chemical Warfare protective gear wouldn't "cut it" to protect our people from the contents of the bunker, the stuff must be pretty bloody dangerous, yes? Now imagine the contents of that bunker in the hands of the nutjob du jure who doesn't care if he dies as long as he takes others with him. Does that sound like something you'd want going on in your neighborhood?