daswig

Nah, she just knows I'm a cold-hearted bastard. That's why she loves me.

They also use quotes from my posts.

The term "liberal" has been hijacked by the Democrats. Where it was once a good thing to be a liberal (ie a "classical Liberal"), now it denotes a fascistic authoritarian streak in an effort to encroachingly control all aspects of our lives. THAT is why the term "liberal" is scorned in the US.

As for me, I'm not sure if I'm a conservative or not. It all depends on how you define "conservative". Personally, I consider myself to be a Jeffersonian Democrat. That puts me either so far to the left or so far to the right in today's terms that I'm not exactly sure HOW I should be described. What I DO know is that while Bush pretty much sucks, Kerry will be many orders of magnitude worse.

Mephisto2

Let me repeat what I said, this time with added emphasis.

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If you look carefully at the words I quoted, you will note that they include quotations from the posts of Ustwo."

Are you suggesting I should only include reponses to you alone in special "stand alone" posts?

Come on. Don't be silly.



Mr Mephisto

daswig

If you're accusing somebody of something, damned straight. If you were NOT accusing me of being a "compassionate conservative", why did you include quotes taken from my posts?

Mephisto2

Good grief.

Let me spell it out for you. I wasn't accusing you of anything.

The post was not directed at you personally. Please lose the delusions of grandeur. It was a synthesis of words plucked from several posts.

If you want some kind of copy-right on each word you use, go somewhere else.


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Konichiwaneko

It's weird. Civilians says we are devided, but I have thorough contact with military people and they all love what the president is doing.

I support freedom, who ever brings it. If kerry can make things better, good for him, i'll support him, but Democrats have a history of taking freedom away and hiding it behind a veil of "For the people".

Yes I'm a wage earning middle american who is tired of seeing democrates propaganda to move the masses.

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Ustwo

I finally figured out what bothered me in this thread.

Who has been causing the wounds in America?

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daswig

I think it was some dude named "Chad" in Florida...

Ustwo

If it were only so simple.

Do you think the left would have acted any differently if Bush had a majority vote in 2000 or would they have just made up different slogans?

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daswig

If it hadn't been close, I think they WOULD have behaved differently. Maybe not the far-left "MIHOP" Kool-aide-drinking crowd, but the rank and file Democrats? Sure. I think the results of 2000 pushed the Democratic party far, far to the left. And I think it's going to burn them in the future.

Eventually, somebody's gonna create the "Average American" party. It's going to be pro-choice, pro guns, mildly anti-drug (treatment, not prison) reasonably hawkish on foreign policy but not "kill'em all!!!", it'll believe that silent prayer in school is OK, "God" on money and in the pledge isn't constitutional heresy, and that the Bill of Rights actually means what it says, ALL of it.

cthulu23

Let me guess...it's the Democrats. Solely the Democrats. No other forces like crime or poverty or drugs or insanity or deperation or the sheer randomness of humanity had anything to do with it. No, the explanation is much clearer than that. It was the Democrats.

Mephisto2

Sarcastic maybe, but funny.

Mr Mephisto

daswig

I'd accept that statement with the insertion of "It was (5% of) the Democrats."

cthulu23

In all honesty, "far to the left" in American politics is damn near in the center of the road. conservatives have been very successful in redefining the political vocabulary in this country, so much so that the word "liberal" has become a curse. It's always struck me as funny how often Bill Clinton was accused of being "far left." He passed NAFTA, joined the WTO and dismantled the welfare state. The US Green party exists because of the dissatisfaction of leftists with the Democratic party.

cthulu23

I could accept a bigger piece of the pie, although statistics like that would be impossible to prove. I don't like either major party very much. I just bristle at the thought that you can solely blame Democrats for the problems of this country. Nothing is that simple.

daswig

Personally, I blame the extremes on both sides, except myself and people like me. It's not just the Democrats, it's also the far loony right. "God wants me to be President"? Gimme a f*cking BREAK.

The far left pushes the Dems to the left, just as the far right pushes the 'pubs to the right. Unfortunately, that leaves a big gap in the middle. Well, OK, maybe that's fortunate. Shiat, I dunno, I just want this to be over, and anybody BUT Kerry to win.

Mephisto2

So this reminds me of ARTelevision's old thread "What I shall be doing after the election".

What will you be doing? I'm not trying to be provocative; I'm just curious.

Will you support Kerry if he wins? He will be your President and Commander in Chief after all.


Mr Mephisto

Mephisto2

Off topic, but I have to admit I thought of Kaswig when I saw this pic..

heheh




Mr Mephisto

Konichiwaneko

Not much will change for the first year or so if Kerry is president. It's that way with all administrations. Overall I don't think I will change much, nor my life will change dramatically.

Really I just don't want Kerry to win because I love our military, I have a military family, and Kerry's attitude is that the war is a mistake. I'm not saying he thinks our military is a mistake, but the general feel that he gives to my military friends is that they are worthless. That's why my friends love GW, because Bush makes them feel a sense of pride.

If Kerry has and idea to win the war, good for him, but all I know it's players for a team game when it comes to war. The quarterback may have a play, but it's not going to work if the other players don't like him.

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Ustwo

You might wanna look for potholes.

The far left may be center of the road to you, but its not center of the road in this country. If it was, you wouldn't see a split like this.

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Ustwo

Chop wood, pour water.

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cthulu23

You missed my point entirely. I'm not talking about popularity but the relative political climate. Hell, most of the right is pretty centrist in this country. The political spectrum in America is very narrow.

By your logic, the "far left" encompasses 50% of this country. I don't think that most Democrats fit that descritption, just as most Republicans aren't really "far-right."

daswig

I have no idea what you're talking about regarding me and that picture.

daswig

OK, I do know what you're talking about, I'm just pulling your leg. It's a funny picture, and I laughed when I saw it.

BTW, I consider myself to be something of a pacifist. Not the "do anything you like and I will not resist" kind of pacifist, but the generally "live and let live" kind of pacifist who ensures that nobody bothers me by making sure that not only do I outgun the neighbors, but I also outgun the local National Guard armored unit. I'm NOT the person you want to commit an armed robbery in front of.

daswig

Nope. I'll not support Kerry. But at the same time, I'm not gonna go to Europe and hold talks with Al Queda, and then come home and start a PR blitz to try and get the US to appease Al Queda. That's HIS job.

cthulu23

Damn, I lost the office pool....

Ustwo

Perhaps I missed your point because of this line

Your point is very vaguely stated. When I think far left, I think far left, I think Greens aka Communist, I think groups like Answer, and I think of dirty hippies looting stores while pretending to protest the WTO.

The problem for the Democrats is that its not that they are all far left, but that the far left has to big a voice in it.

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cthulu23

What do the things that you've cited have to do with the Democratic party? And what do they have to do with the american left? It's obvious that you are unwilling to engage in any sort of balanced discussion.

Edit: really, you've said nothing that disproves my ideas. The accepted spectrum of political discourse in this country is painfully narrow.

daswig

I dunno...when you've got the left rallying to International ANSWER and carrying signs like the "We support our troops when they shoot their officers" thing, it's going to be a hard sell that the left isn't too broad...

Mephisto2

What? All 50 odd million of them?

Or just a couple of assholes who carried a sign?

By that same standard, the American right and therefore (by the same implication you use) the Republican party is made up of gay-bashing, negro-kllling, KKK, Nazi supporting, AIDS funeral picketing assholes.

Wow... I didn't know all you guys were so bad. How do you sleep at night?


Mr Mephisto