daswig

In the US, flamethrowers are generally legal to own. There's no background check, and you can buy them via mail-order. They are legally classified as "Forestry and agricultural equipment", and tend to start at around $2000 for the cheaper (chinese communist) milspec ones.

I know a guy who rents USGI flamethrowers twice a year in Kentucky. If you want, I can give you the contact info.

cthulu23

Although I don't doubt that you had your legal shit together as far as justifiable homicide is concerned, I think that I might rather get intimidated and maybe punched over shooting someone. Just me, but I happen to think that putting up with an asshole beats being arrested, put before a grand jury, hopefully not indicted, then probably sued by the family of the other guy. This happened to a friend of mine who killed someone at a bar in self-defense...he got off but his life has been hell for the last 5 years due to the incident.

splck

If you feel you need to carry a weapon...fair enough. I just think it's a shame that someone would feel the need to carry a weapon.
I live in an unarmed society (read: no fires, no car accidents), so I don't feel the need to be armed.
I use mine to fill my freezer with moose

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nice line eh?

daswig

That's your decision. My decision was to do what I did, and it worked. Rounds expended: 0 People dead: 0 People in jail: 0


I have no fear of a courtroom. That's my second home. 'Tis better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6, as the saying goes.

Boo

Unfortunately, if guns are not used, then we resort to sticks and rocks. I find that people are most safe and equal when they have the same to lose no matter the fight. If 10 people are armed with a stick and a robber comes in, does he know which one to rob? Substitute the stick with a gun.

So far I only carry my gun when in the woods. I have noticed people are very polite in the woods, but the ones that want to be assholes refrain as soon as they see a weapon. If I had to carry it to Walmart, I would fucking move.

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Back button again, I must be getting old.

cthulu23

Your scoreboard may have read the same regardless of whether you had a weapon or not.

Be careful what you wish for. I think that discretion is definitely the better part of valor when you're carrying a gun.

pan6467

Yes, when you grow up and there are racists all around the city in which you live you learn and see it. As for the black racists, that's not hard to see in the military.

We don't live in times of the reconstruction, the vast majority of the uS can own a gun if they so choose. Again, I see no problem there, I do have a problem with conceal and carry and the attitude of some gun owners that owning their gun is a right given by God and they fall in love with the power of it. Those are the scary people. Just as the people who demand there be no guns at all and are adamnant about it. Radicalism is radicalism and when you go to far one way you are eventually going to go to far in your beliefs, (not necessarily your actions but the risk is far higher).

As for my right of free speech I have done nothing but show respect and voice my opinion... you are the one choosing to get all hyped and threatening.

Yes, this is the internet and this is a forum and in this forum there are standards. Bullying people, calling them names will not get you anywhere.

As for the law about the weapons in bars... I was wrong it is a state law in quite a few states (been researching it because I thought for sure it was a fed law, like carrying a gun within 50 feet of a school or church or election poll). But hey, a couple profs in my dept. are lawyers and Criminal Justice is there so I'll ask around.

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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

DJ Happy

Absolutely everything is disturbing about it.

It's disturbing that this Kerry supporter feels the need to challenge you in the street and force his opinion down your throat. It's also disturbing that you felt your only recourse was to shoot him. It's even more disturbing to hear that your wife would definitely have shot him. I am left to wonder if these are attitudes that are brought about by gun ownership.

Basically, I find it all very disturbing.

Locobot

$2000?! Sounds a little steep for the average working family. I'm talking about mandated ownership and distribution methods. Let me know when you're ready to stop being cowardly and you're willing to step up to a real armament strategy. There will also be rotating knives to keep pervs out of our public restrooms.

daswig

Tell that to people living in DC or Detroit. Care to wager what percentage of the people stripped of their Second Amendment rights are minorities? Look at the cities with the strictest gun control, and then look at the percentage of minority populations in those cities. You'll find that the stricter the gun control laws are correlates with the numbers of minorities present. You say we don't live during reconstruction. That's true. But as recently as the 1940's, the Florida Supreme Court held that gun control laws didn't apply to whites, because the legislative intent was to disarm only minorities.

Regarding the federal law prohibiting guns near schools, I suggest you read U.S. v. Lopez, 514 U.S. 549 (1995), which struck down that law as being an unconstitutional overextension of Federal constitutional authority relating to the ICC.

The Bill of Rights doesn't enumerate "God given" rights, it enumerates natural rights. One of the first of those rights is the right to self-defense.

You can go and ask the J.D.s at your school whatever you want. Or you could just ask the J.D. in this thread....me.

You've yet to explain how I've threatened you over the internet.

daswig

Then again, it may not. I WAS discrete. I was legally authorized to shoot the asshole before I reached for my sidearm (there's no way a court here would convict me of even involuntary manslaughter considering the facts of the case), but I didn't, choosing instead to just "lightly slap" him in a proverbial sense and send him on his way.

"discretion" doesn't mean "run away" or "submit" to an attacker.

daswig

Hey, they can always build their own, for a lot cheaper.

FishKing

Mused76, sorry about your buzz. You can get another one.[/QUOTE]

Boo, did you have a buzz when you wrote this?

I feel for the boys in IRAQ. One unit refused orders because they did not have proper equipment (Armored trucks). Some GI's are using AK-47 because there was not enough M-16 ammo there (This is an old issue).

Cheney's old company (Haluburton (spelling)) is getting rich on charging the military $2 gal for fuel and the army sell it to Iraqi's for .05 cents. Something wrong.

There are issues with both Bush and Kerry. The way I see it we are screwed either way so when you go to the bar get a buzz and not talk about the election.

My two cents. I can now go back to my rum and PEPSI.

daswig

You got a cite for this? I'd be interested in seeing it.

FishKing

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/971650/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1056371/posts

I saw a short clip on CNN news months ago but can not find the story. Here are a few links about the M-16 ammo shortage and why. It is sad to say someone dropped the ball...........Never had that problem in my 23 years of the Air Force. Just ask BOO. I spent over 10 years stationed at several bases with him.

daswig

well, there's no shortage of .223 here.