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Rekna · 09-30-2004, 05:11 PM

Someone should start one of these (hopefully enough people are addicted to this forum to make it active)

First thoughts on Bush and Kerry. Bush skirted the second question and didn't answer it. And it took a whole 10 seconds to mention flip flop (not by name). Kerry needs to look at the camera not at the person leading the debate.

Rekna · 09-30-2004, 05:23 PM

Bush has better eye contact but is also looking at jim a lot

cthulu23 · 09-30-2004, 05:24 PM

Notice how they both keep glancing off screen? It makes me think there are some guys with towels over their shoulders shouting "Now jab on Iraq!" "That's it, hit him on weapons inspections!" "You got him, baby!"

Rekna · 09-30-2004, 05:26 PM

I'm glad they are filming the reactions by other canidates occasionally.

cthulu23 · 09-30-2004, 05:30 PM

They both look all "hot and bothered" when the other guy is speaking.

Redjake · 09-30-2004, 05:31 PM

this is like a tennis match

Rekna · 09-30-2004, 05:31 PM

Bush keeps trying to be snide and insulting. That could burn him a lot.

Mojo_PeiPei · 09-30-2004, 05:33 PM

Heh, looks like Kerry needs to clarify his position on Iraq authorization. Went from calling it a mistake and bringing up his service in Vietnam in one sentence to saying it was the right thing to do.

Perhaps it's not what he meant, but he really missed the ball on this one, way he spoke definently looked like he called going to Iraq bad, rather then how we are fighting it.

Rekna · 09-30-2004, 05:35 PM

"You forgot poland!" doesn't change the point Bush.

Kadath · 09-30-2004, 05:38 PM

This debate is making me very, very angry at my President.

Rekna · 09-30-2004, 05:40 PM

He has a start every rebuttle with a insult policy

irateplatypus · 09-30-2004, 05:42 PM

could kerry shake his head more emphatically?

cthulu23 · 09-30-2004, 05:43 PM

Kerry has been consistent on Iraq...it's interesting that Bush keeps asserting that Kerry has been inconsistent without offering an example of said inconsistency.

mosha · 09-30-2004, 05:47 PM

Kerry is plugging his website, ithink hes trying to get a free iPod

Rekna · 09-30-2004, 05:48 PM

Bush needs to have more rebuttles. He has a small group that he keeps using.

irateplatypus · 09-30-2004, 05:49 PM

Kerry's plan on iraq seems to be made of things that are already being implemented (summits, increased funding, more troops, UN involvement) by the President.

Kadath · 09-30-2004, 05:49 PM

What about the fact they they're shooting it to make Bush look as tall as Kerry?

Also, Fox appears to be on a delay.

Rekna · 09-30-2004, 05:51 PM

haha thats funny

blkdmnd · 09-30-2004, 05:51 PM

Bush does keep harping on the fact that Kerry keeps changing his position. We get it already. He also keeps trying to convince us that being the president is hard work. Of course it is.

cthulu23 · 09-30-2004, 05:52 PM

Yes, Allawi is a brave, brave man considering how dangerous it is to be Prime Minister in a country like Iraq.

blkdmnd · 09-30-2004, 05:52 PM

They have to keep their heads at the same position on the screen. They need to cut off the podiums.

Rekna · 09-30-2004, 05:54 PM

"The enemy attacked us" iraq did not attack the US

filtherton · 09-30-2004, 05:54 PM

"How do you tell the troops 'Wrong war, wrong time?'" Wtf? He has said this three times already.

Willravel · 09-30-2004, 05:55 PM

Do you think there are any psychological associative implications about the colors (dark blue/purple for bush, lighter blue for kerry) behind President Bush and Senator Kerry? Things like that can play a role in the way people percieve both candidates.

Rekna · 09-30-2004, 05:57 PM

Anyone else notice Bush keeps getting the one minute extensions?

Kadath · 09-30-2004, 05:58 PM

What are you referring to, willravel? Ties? Because Kerry's tie is red.
Maybe the color under their podium in the shot?

Rekna · 09-30-2004, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willravel

Do you think there are any psychological associative implications about the colors (dark blue/purple for bush, lighter blue for kerry) behind President Bush and Senator Kerry? Things like that can play a role in the way people percieve both candidates.

i'm not seeing these colors your talking about? Where are these colors at?

cthulu23 · 09-30-2004, 05:59 PM

On C-Span they are constantly showing the candidates on a split screen. I just switched to another channel and realized that others aren't seeing that.

Rekna · 09-30-2004, 06:01 PM

abc has a split screen but the colors are the same. I think...

Kadath · 09-30-2004, 06:01 PM

Even on C-Span they make Bush seem as tall. WTF is that?! Bush is shorter than Kerry! Deal with it.

blkdmnd · 09-30-2004, 06:03 PM

Kerry looks pretty smug and confident. Almost as if he knows that he may be scoring more points. Who do ya'll think is ahead so far? I think Kerry.

Rekna · 09-30-2004, 06:04 PM

Kerry atm. Bush seems to be backed into a corner with only 3 weapons that are getting duller every time he uses them.

mosha · 09-30-2004, 06:05 PM

i thought fox news was controlling the only cameras being used by all networks....

cthulu23 · 09-30-2004, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kadath

Even on C-Span they make Bush seem as tall. WTF is that?! Bush is shorter than Kerry! Deal with it.

No network wants to be accused of influencing the election by showing Bush in an inferior position.

cthulu23 · 09-30-2004, 06:07 PM

I say Kerry is ahead, but I'm definitely biased, as are probably 90% (or more) of the posters here.

Rekna · 09-30-2004, 06:08 PM

All the networks are using the same video feed. Who is controlling the feed I don't know.

blkdmnd · 09-30-2004, 06:10 PM

Sactions on Iran are from the CLINTON administration. He should have said instead of just alluding to it.

sprocket · 09-30-2004, 06:11 PM

is there a live webcast of this debate?

mosha · 09-30-2004, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rekna

All the networks are using the same video feed. Who is controlling the feed I don't know.

On the radio this morning I heard them say it was fox and that they were straying from the rules of only keeping the camera on the person speaking, hence the split screen

Rekna · 09-30-2004, 06:12 PM

The question on the sanctions is should they have been modified/updated in light of recent developments.

09-30-2004, 05:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	Live debate thread Someone should start one of these (hopefully enough people are addicted to this forum to make it active) First thoughts on Bush and Kerry. Bush skirted the second question and didn't answer it. And it took a whole 10 seconds to mention flip flop (not by name). Kerry needs to look at the camera not at the person leading the debate.

09-30-2004, 05:31 PM	#6 (permalink)
Redjake I'm a family man - I run a family business. Location: Wilson, NC	this is like a tennis match __________________ Off the record, on the q.t., and very hush-hush.

09-30-2004, 05:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	Heh, looks like Kerry needs to clarify his position on Iraq authorization. Went from calling it a mistake and bringing up his service in Vietnam in one sentence to saying it was the right thing to do. Perhaps it's not what he meant, but he really missed the ball on this one, way he spoke definently looked like he called going to Iraq bad, rather then how we are fighting it. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

09-30-2004, 05:38 PM	#10 (permalink)
Kadath Muffled Location: Camazotz	This debate is making me very, very angry at my President. __________________ it's quiet in here

09-30-2004, 05:42 PM	#12 (permalink)
irateplatypus can't help but laugh Location: dar al-harb	could kerry shake his head more emphatically? __________________ If you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves. ~ Winston Churchill

09-30-2004, 05:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	Bush has better eye contact but is also looking at jim a lot

09-30-2004, 05:24 PM	#3 (permalink)
cthulu23 Banned	Notice how they both keep glancing off screen? It makes me think there are some guys with towels over their shoulders shouting "Now jab on Iraq!" "That's it, hit him on weapons inspections!" "You got him, baby!"

09-30-2004, 05:26 PM	#4 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	I'm glad they are filming the reactions by other canidates occasionally.

09-30-2004, 05:30 PM	#5 (permalink)
cthulu23 Banned	They both look all "hot and bothered" when the other guy is speaking.

09-30-2004, 05:31 PM	#7 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	Bush keeps trying to be snide and insulting. That could burn him a lot.

09-30-2004, 05:35 PM	#9 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	"You forgot poland!" doesn't change the point Bush.

09-30-2004, 05:40 PM	#11 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	He has a start every rebuttle with a insult policy

09-30-2004, 05:43 PM	#13 (permalink)
cthulu23 Banned	Kerry has been consistent on Iraq...it's interesting that Bush keeps asserting that Kerry has been inconsistent without offering an example of said inconsistency.

09-30-2004, 05:47 PM	#14 (permalink)
mosha Crazy Location: Htown, NJ	Kerry is plugging his website, ithink hes trying to get a free iPod

09-30-2004, 05:48 PM	#15 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	Bush needs to have more rebuttles. He has a small group that he keeps using.

09-30-2004, 05:49 PM	#16 (permalink)
irateplatypus can't help but laugh Location: dar al-harb	Kerry's plan on iraq seems to be made of things that are already being implemented (summits, increased funding, more troops, UN involvement) by the President. __________________ If you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves. ~ Winston Churchill

09-30-2004, 05:49 PM	#17 (permalink)
Kadath Muffled Location: Camazotz	What about the fact they they're shooting it to make Bush look as tall as Kerry? Also, Fox appears to be on a delay. __________________ it's quiet in here Last edited by Kadath; 09-30-2004 at 05:52 PM..

09-30-2004, 05:51 PM	#18 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	haha thats funny

09-30-2004, 05:51 PM	#19 (permalink)
blkdmnd Addict	Bush does keep harping on the fact that Kerry keeps changing his position. We get it already. He also keeps trying to convince us that being the president is hard work. Of course it is. __________________ I blow my nose at you. Now go away before I taunt you a second time.

09-30-2004, 05:52 PM	#20 (permalink)
cthulu23 Banned	Yes, Allawi is a brave, brave man considering how dangerous it is to be Prime Minister in a country like Iraq.

09-30-2004, 05:52 PM	#21 (permalink)
blkdmnd Addict	They have to keep their heads at the same position on the screen. They need to cut off the podiums. __________________ I blow my nose at you. Now go away before I taunt you a second time.

09-30-2004, 05:54 PM	#22 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	"The enemy attacked us" iraq did not attack the US

09-30-2004, 05:54 PM	#23 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	"How do you tell the troops 'Wrong war, wrong time?'" Wtf? He has said this three times already.

09-30-2004, 05:55 PM	#24 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Do you think there are any psychological associative implications about the colors (dark blue/purple for bush, lighter blue for kerry) behind President Bush and Senator Kerry? Things like that can play a role in the way people percieve both candidates.

09-30-2004, 05:57 PM	#25 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	Anyone else notice Bush keeps getting the one minute extensions?

09-30-2004, 05:58 PM	#26 (permalink)
Kadath Muffled Location: Camazotz	What are you referring to, willravel? Ties? Because Kerry's tie is red. Maybe the color under their podium in the shot? __________________ it's quiet in here

09-30-2004, 05:59 PM	#28 (permalink)
cthulu23 Banned	On C-Span they are constantly showing the candidates on a split screen. I just switched to another channel and realized that others aren't seeing that.

09-30-2004, 06:01 PM	#29 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	abc has a split screen but the colors are the same. I think...

09-30-2004, 06:01 PM	#30 (permalink)
Kadath Muffled Location: Camazotz	Even on C-Span they make Bush seem as tall. WTF is that?! Bush is shorter than Kerry! Deal with it. __________________ it's quiet in here

09-30-2004, 06:03 PM	#31 (permalink)
blkdmnd Addict	Kerry looks pretty smug and confident. Almost as if he knows that he may be scoring more points. Who do ya'll think is ahead so far? I think Kerry. __________________ I blow my nose at you. Now go away before I taunt you a second time.

09-30-2004, 06:04 PM	#32 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	Kerry atm. Bush seems to be backed into a corner with only 3 weapons that are getting duller every time he uses them.

09-30-2004, 06:05 PM	#33 (permalink)
mosha Crazy Location: Htown, NJ	i thought fox news was controlling the only cameras being used by all networks....

09-30-2004, 06:07 PM	#35 (permalink)
cthulu23 Banned	I say Kerry is ahead, but I'm definitely biased, as are probably 90% (or more) of the posters here.

09-30-2004, 06:08 PM	#36 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	All the networks are using the same video feed. Who is controlling the feed I don't know.

09-30-2004, 06:10 PM	#37 (permalink)
blkdmnd Addict	Sactions on Iran are from the CLINTON administration. He should have said instead of just alluding to it. __________________ I blow my nose at you. Now go away before I taunt you a second time.