Ustwo

http://breakingnews.nypost.com/dynam...MPLATE=DEFAULT

Jebus Christ its one damn day, one damn day to be solemn, to be presidential, to reflect on the changes to the country. Instead he goes right to the democrat playbook of scare them about evil Republicans so they vote for me! We have already gone over the myth of the 'disenfranchisement' but couldn't the man ACT like a president for one damn day?

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98MustGT

I watched that speech, I was shocked.

tecoyah

* this is meant as a troll*

Yeah....I think Bush may have had a day where he acted like a President.....but he was at his ranch , so the press must have missed it.

* the above troll, while completely worthless, was meant to respond to the first troll.....please stand by for further trolling, followed by flaming , and other forms of useless dialogue*

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Strange Famous

I personally believe that the evidence favours the conclusion that the 2000 election was thrown, that the Florida vote was deliberately and criminally misrepresented.

Not only were many people (who were overwhelmingly Democrat supporters) illegally prevented from voting in Florida (by a company which had links to the Rep party) but the actual votes cast were in favour of the Democrats, the Dems got more votes in Florida, and the Dem's won the election - this is my understanding, and I cant speak for other people - but I must tell you that this the opinion of the majority of people I know in England.

Of course, electoral corruption is hardly new, I for one would feel uncomfortable unless international observers (representatives of the leading European democracies) were empowered to supervise the American election at every stage - the idea that 1/3 of the votes cast are done on PC and can easily be manipulated without there ever being a papertrail... makes a mockery of the whole principle of election.

Kerry is right, in my opinion, to fear electoral corruption, and he is right to share his fears with the American people.

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phyzix525

Yeah two wrongs make it right.

Anyway, it was disrespectful and the whitehouse spokesman made it look even worse with a great response. One that I would expect from the White house.

As for trolling, well I think everyone is entitled to ones own opinoin without saying they are trolling. We all know this was in poor taste and is a shame more people are not outraged.

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irateplatypus

Kerry is getting desparate. You would never hear Bill Clinton, JFK, Johnson or Carter say something this shrill. Statements like these reinforce my perception that Kerry lacks fundamental leadership qualities. This is the stuff of Michael Moore and Howard Dean.

It boggles the mind.

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Strange Famous

I dont think it is in bad taste, and personally I find the Republicans crocodile tears about it a little patronising. I dont see how it is disrepectful to anybody's memory to express concern about alleged electoral fraud and vote rigging.

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Seaver

Strange Famous I'm not even going to bother, if people still believe that Gore won the election in Florida after 4 years and all the evidence to the contrary one more person telling them isnt going to change anything.

About Kerry yeah, he's getting desperate. Trying to draw out the black vote by using the "big bad racist republican is out to steal your children and put them back into slavery" crap. He's pissed because the Republicans have gotten massive Hispanic votes, who now outnumber their largely non-voting black vote. Now before this gets interpreted the wrong way this isnt racist, this isnt anything to say that no blacks vote or anything like that. But the percentage of black population that votes is very small, only beaten at the moment by hispanics (who are starting to vote more and more).

Kerry is desperate because of the double-digit bounce after the RNC, and changing momentums are very hard in political campaigns.

pan6467

First, look at whom he was talking to. Makes sense to me for him to say what he may believe and most definately what what they want to hear regardless of what "day it was."

Secondly, this is one reason as to why partisan politics and this hatred of the other side is destroying this nation.

We expect our politicians now to get dirty and when the other one looks to be dirtier we point and carry on so as to make our look better, until he does something.

We take pleasure NOT in the growth and progress of America but in the other party's failings, because our party will have more power or at least looks better.

We don't respond to good news from the other party but in a negative way like Pooh Bear's EEyore, we accept the good news then predict that it is just a setup by the other party. So we allow even good news to feed our hatred.

We are so fucking worried what the other party will do next we aren't focussing on issues and we aren't focussing on what our own candidate is even saying because we are too busy watching mud being thrown and making excuses and defending our candidate.

It always gets worse people, it never gets better. You think its dirty this year wait till '08.

I submit someday soon this party hatred and refusal to work with each other will be the destruction of our independence.

You sit and cry over freedoms lost, but don't give a damn that our candidates should be debating more than 3 times, and that the hatred of each others party is destroying our freedoms faster than any law will, because we want our party to take control and make it hard for the other party to get it back.

Divide and conquer and that is what is happening to us, whether we admit it or not.

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phyzix525

I don't think we need anyone from other countries to monitor our elections, not to mention that they would probably be biased toward Kerry.

All the crap I hear about how the republicans "stole" the election when there was proof of democrats double voting in New York and florida. The unfortunate mishaps with the list of criminals that were not allowed to vote was not proved to be anything more then a mistake. With all the people that have such a hatred of Bush I would expect there to be more cheating on the democrats side then our own.

Its the trick that democrats have used for years, accuse your competetors of doing things that you are doing to hide the fact that you are doing them yourself. i.e Bush is evil misguided stupid and lazy....but we are not going to have a smear campaign we want to keep things clean unlike the evil whitehouse.
They can do it in the same sentance. Another example, the Bush "documents" they said many times that attacking kerrys record 30 years ago was wrong and should not have been done. now that something like this has come out they embrase it. they want things both ways and its just nogoing to happen the american people is starting to see through it.

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pan6467

Phyzix,

Both sides are fucking guilty of the same shit. It's time to stop crying about what the other party does and just run on issues.

I'm truly ashamed, and am going to work on myself, at least, because of all this finger pointing shit. We don't even care what the issues are anymore, we just want the other party to fail and it is fucking pathetic, because no matter what we may be conditioned by others to think about the other party, both sides do care about the country and do want to better it. Or at least wanted to, now they are just trying to destroy each other.

We need to get back to the philosophies and voting because we truly believe the vote will better the country based on the philosophy of the issues we hold dear. Not because some fucking talking head or power hungry aide wants to show us the negative side of the other candidate and party.

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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

pan6467

edited.... another PAN fuck up... getting good at these.

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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

Mojo_PeiPei

The day any other nation or outside organization monitor's any American election will be a cold day in hell.

Also I'm with pan that all politicians need a swift kick in the nuts to check them fast (he might not feel the situation is so dire). Even if views differ, it should be held that largely each party has (or had) the nations best interest at heart. Too bad the parties are both demonstrating very convicingly that this is no longer the reality.

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pan6467

Oooooo my God, even Mojo and I can agree on something.

Although, unlike Mojo, i think just one kick in the balls is not enough.....

Peace Mojo, you are loved.

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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

JumpinJesus

Pan,

I couldn't agree more. I'm expecting - some time in the near future - our presidential elections to be decided in an Ultimate Fighting style. Eligible voters will turn to pay-per-view to watch the candidates beat the living hell out of each other and the winner gets to be president.

While there are still those out there on both sides of the political spectrum who wish we would focus on how to make our country better for everyone, the ones getting the airtime and the ones being heard are those whose sole purpose is to destroy the other candidate as viciously as possible. This does not make me proud of our political process. I'm ashamed of what our nation stands for when I see this kind of behavior in those we look to as leaders. We have reached this point, however, because we are okay with it. We don't demand anything better in our candidates. We as voters could change this behavior if we really wanted to change it.

The majority of voters in this country not only are satisfied with mediocrity, they defend mediocrity with a vitriol usually reserved for extremist fundamentalists. While I typically vote democrat, I have no problem saying that I was less than enthusiastic with the pool of possible Democratic candidates introduced to us early this year. I kept thinking to myself, "Is this the best the Democratic Party has to offer?" With a sad sigh, I realized that indeed it was. Likewise, it would be very difficult to convince me that George Bush is the best the Republicans could find. Surely there must be someone far more presidential than him.

But, as the saying goes, we get what we deserve.

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Mojo_PeiPei

It's just all so beautiful.

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The_wall

Mojo lets start an organization called Swift Kick Citizens for Truth

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fuzyfuzer

can i join

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crthiel

Please don't attempt to quote something that was never said by anyone but you.

Mojo_PeiPei

That might be the funniest thing I have ever read on this website...

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scout

[QUOTE=Mojo_PeiPei]The day any other nation or outside organization monitor's any American election will be a cold day in hell.QUOTE]

http://democrats.com/elandslide/peti...ors&refer=home

http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=3845751

http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/democ...al/8138843.htm

Looks like it is in fact a cold day in hell. both parties asked and we received. Pretty pathetic.

Dwayne

I hope that having an outside group monitor the election. I dont think that Bush is physically going to stop African Americans from voting, however, if there ends up being a big scandel...I bet that the primarily African American counties will be the ones with the voting mix up because I would not put it past Florida or any other state run by republicans to rig the election some how. Look what happened to the African American communities in Florida during the last election. They went to congress to petition the results and where ignored.

Ustwo

You do know that voting is controlled locally and any mix ups was due to the incompetence of the DEMOCRATS who would be in control of running said areas?

Most of the 'voting' problems had nothing even remotely due to republicans. Guess what party designed the butterfly ballot so many democrats seemed to have a hard time figuring out?

The dems had problems in the SAME areas in the last primary there and one of the funny moments is when they blamed Jeb for trying to sabotage Jannet Reno, as if he was worried about running against her

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filtherton

Ooohohooohoohoho, something else for a partisan to get all up in arms about. Give it a rest. Whoever you support is guilty of the same thing.

Glava

New York would go to the Democrats regardless.

Paq

Yeah, even i am considered a moderate in New york. hell, i'm about center in nyc compared to most. and i havent' seen much about double voting, but i have seen the felony purge list for florida...

on another note, every member of my family just received a brochure from the bush team on how to vote absentee or early...kinda funny since my family is registered either independent or democrat

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Diamond

I gotta admit, I won't be voting for Kerry, and the more he goes on these tangents, the more people he'll be turning off. He might have had a chance if he had stayed the course and not flipped so often