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Strange Famous · 09-08-2004, 11:19 AM

V unlikely in my opinion. Without US military support, the autocratic Saudi monarchy would be toppled tomorrow by a huge groundswell of popuar opinion. The danger is that the working class and peasants would probably be lead by a hostile and violent brand of Islamic extremist in this revolution. The Saudi govt has everything to lose by attacking America (losing one of their only int'l friends & nothing to gain - it has destabilised the situation and put them in graver danger than ever)

Ustwo · 09-08-2004, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

V unlikely in my opinion. Without US military support, the autocratic Saudi monarchy would be toppled tomorrow by a huge groundswell of popuar opinion. The danger is that the working class and peasants would probably be lead by a hostile and violent brand of Islamic extremist in this revolution. The Saudi govt has everything to lose by attacking America (losing one of their only int'l friends & nothing to gain - it has destabilised the situation and put them in graver danger than ever)

I never, ever, ever, ever thought I would say this....ever.

I agree with SF. I'm not sure they would fall tomarrow if we withdrew our military support, the French sell weapons to everyone, but other then that....spot on.

Repent, the end is near!

OpieCunningham · 09-08-2004, 11:32 AM

With the other option being support for the autocratic Saudi monarchy, the home of Wahhabism and the primary breeding grounds for terrorists, who attack the U.S. anyway - the choice is obvious. Stop paying for the dictatorship, the stability of Wahhabism and the education of terrorism.

Mephisto2 · 09-08-2004, 11:47 AM

I also agree with StrangeFamous.

I'm not sure if Saudi Arabia is the primary training ground for terrorists though, despite the prevalence of Wahhabism there. I thought that "honour" initially went to Taliban era Afghanistan and is now currently held by the Islamic schools in Pakistan and Indonesia.

I suspect there's some crazy shit going on in the Caucasus too, but not systematic like that in Pakistan and Indonesia.

Just my 2C's worth.

Mr Mephisto

OpieCunningham · 09-08-2004, 12:08 PM

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The Wahhabi movement began some 250 years ago as a relatively obscure schismatic sect based among the Bedouin tribes of eastern Arabia. It was founded by Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab (1703-92), a theological firebrand who believed that innumerable errors and innovations had corrupted Islam’s original message, and who set out to purge them with puritanical zeal. He and his followers denounced many aspects of the religion, including mysticism and traditional Islamic jurisprudence. This allowed the Wahhabis to reinterpret Islam without reference to previously accepted beliefs, traditions and norms. To emphasize this point, the Wahhabis declared most scholars and religious thinkers who preceded them “unbelievers” and announced that any Muslims who did not embrace their new doctrine would, along with Jews and Christians, be viewed as “enemies of Islam.”

The mainstream scholars of his day quickly branded Abdul-Wahhab as a heretic, but he forged a political alliance with Muhammad ibn Saud, a powerful tribal chief in the Najd region of Arabia. Together, they launched a bloody insurrection against the Ottoman Empire in 1744. The rebellion was soon crushed, but the descendants of the two men continued to work together to promote Wahhabism and undermine the authority of the Ottoman state. With the help of the British, the Wahhabis launched a new revolt on the eve of World War I. This time they were more successful, helping to destroy the Ottoman Empire and ultimately establishing the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

<a href="http://mediaguidetoislam.sfsu.edu/intheworld/" target=_blank>SFSU Media Guide To Islam</a>

Mephisto2 · 09-08-2004, 12:21 PM

You know, for once (!!!), I'm not arguing with you Opie.

:-)

I'm just saying that I think terrorists are more likely to be trained in the lawless areas of Pakistan and Indonesia. I could be wrong, but that's just a hunch.

Most of Islamic countries are not, as far as I know, Wahabbist, and Saudi Arabia is a strange bed-fellow for the "freedom loving" United States.

Mr Mephisto

PS - Thanks for the link

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Nope - just some crazy Saudi citizens	11	35.48%
I think rogue elements within the Saudi intelligence community were involved	5	16.13%
I think it there was unofficial, but direct, assistance from Saudi government agents/departments	11	35.48%
I think the Saudi government itself gave the nod	3	9.68%
Yes. I believe they were involved directly and we should invade them like we did Iraq/Afghanistan	1	3.23%
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09-08-2004, 11:19 AM	#41 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	V unlikely in my opinion. Without US military support, the autocratic Saudi monarchy would be toppled tomorrow by a huge groundswell of popuar opinion. The danger is that the working class and peasants would probably be lead by a hostile and violent brand of Islamic extremist in this revolution. The Saudi govt has everything to lose by attacking America (losing one of their only int'l friends & nothing to gain - it has destabilised the situation and put them in graver danger than ever) __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

09-08-2004, 12:21 PM	#46 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	You know, for once (!!!), I'm not arguing with you Opie. :-) I'm just saying that I think terrorists are more likely to be trained in the lawless areas of Pakistan and Indonesia. I could be wrong, but that's just a hunch. Most of Islamic countries are not, as far as I know, Wahabbist, and Saudi Arabia is a strange bed-fellow for the "freedom loving" United States. Mr Mephisto PS - Thanks for the link Last edited by Mephisto2; 09-08-2004 at 12:26 PM..

09-08-2004, 11:32 AM	#43 (permalink)
OpieCunningham Loser	With the other option being support for the autocratic Saudi monarchy, the home of Wahhabism and the primary breeding grounds for terrorists, who attack the U.S. anyway - the choice is obvious. Stop paying for the dictatorship, the stability of Wahhabism and the education of terrorism.

09-08-2004, 11:47 AM	#44 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	I also agree with StrangeFamous. I'm not sure if Saudi Arabia is the primary training ground for terrorists though, despite the prevalence of Wahhabism there. I thought that "honour" initially went to Taliban era Afghanistan and is now currently held by the Islamic schools in Pakistan and Indonesia. I suspect there's some crazy shit going on in the Caucasus too, but not systematic like that in Pakistan and Indonesia. Just my 2C's worth. Mr Mephisto