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mrsandman · 09-02-2004, 02:51 PM

Maybe it is just where I live (doubt it), but I've visited Barnes and Noble, B.Dalton, Borders, Sam's Club, Costco, etc. and I could not find ONE copy of "Unfit for Command" available anywhere. I did, however, find PLENTY of prominently displayed copies (at Costco, there were 250+ copies) of ex-President clinton's book available at every bookstore I visited.

I did find it (the Swifty's book) available on the internet. I just think that you should be able to walk into any local bookstore and just buy the book w/o waiting for it to be delivered via mail. I think there is more going on here than meets the eye. What do you think?

Coincidence or conspiracy?

Scipio · 09-02-2004, 03:04 PM

It's simple economics.

Anticipated Demand for My Life, by William Clinton: Very High Indeed

Anticipated Demand for Unfit for Command, one of many conservative publications out there this election cycle: Quite a Bit Lower

Publishers won't bring a million copies of a book to market if they only expect to sell 150 thousand.

kutulu · 09-02-2004, 03:21 PM

It's also a question of when the book was released and what is the flavor of the month.

PS, what is the point of this thread, other than trolling?

mrsandman · 09-02-2004, 03:37 PM

The point of this thread is to point out that a lot of people are trying to buy this book
and it is somehow not available. Define "trolling".

Kadath · 09-02-2004, 06:25 PM

I'd say if you really believe it's either a coincidence or a conspiracy, you're a little off base. Former President Clinton is a little more bankable than disgruntled and formerly anonymous veterans. I'd love to be able to walk into a store and be sure they had a copy of the book or movie or whatever that I wanted, but I understand that the need for instant gratification is a stage humans move past in childhood.

MSD · 09-02-2004, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scipio

It's simple economics.

Anticipated Demand for My Life, by William Clinton: Very High Indeed

Anticipated Demand for Unfit for Command, one of many conservative publications out there this election cycle: Quite a Bit Lower

Publishers won't bring a million copies of a book to market if they only expect to sell 150 thousand.

That's all there is to it. There's no conspiracy.

mrsandman · 09-02-2004, 07:07 PM

So, apparantly, I am the only one who wishes to purchase this book, and am unable to find it available in a major city? I guess I must be a conspiracist.

Scipio · 09-02-2004, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsandman

So, apparantly, I am the only one who wishes to purchase this book, and am unable to find it available in a major city? I guess I must be a conspiracist.

It's quite simple really. If you think the book is being actively suppressed because of it's message, then you're a "conspiracist," and you're being irrational.

If you think that it's a coincidence, you're being ignorant.

As I noted, the only real explanation is the economic one. Perhaps you should buy a book on supply and demand instead, and read it while you wait for more copies of the Swiftboat book to be printed. I don't mean that in a totally sarcastic way. If you have never had the supply and demand model in school, you really ought to learn about it. Hell, you don't even need a book, you can read about it here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand

mrsandman · 09-02-2004, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scipio

It's quite simple really. If you think the book is being actively suppressed because of it's message, then you're a "conspiracist," and you're being irrational.

I'll plead guilty to the "conspiracist" then, as for irrational, no.

Scipio · 09-02-2004, 09:42 PM

Well, I have said all I can. I don't suppose you're going to give me any non-anecdotal evidence?

mrsandman · 09-03-2004, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scipio

It's simple economics.

Anticipated Demand for My Life, by William Clinton: Very High Indeed

Regarding your example of "supply and demand", the supply of THAT particular book, far exceeds its demand, based on my "anecdotal" observations in bookstores throughout this major city.

We may agree to disagree, but it still does not change the fact that anyone wishing to buy "Unfit For Command", cannot find it, as certainly the damand is there, but somehow the supply is not.

Superbelt · 09-03-2004, 08:23 AM

www.amazon.com

Go buy it if you wish.

The supply of that book does not exceed the demand. Noone could have known just how popular that loosely written piece of tripe could have been. They printed so many and sent them around the country.

How about, instead of pushing some insane conspiracy theory, CALL the bookstores or go in and ask for a manager. Ask him why there aren't any copies of the book and ask him/her how many copies of the book their ordered in the first place. Also ask how many they have coming in for the next shipment and when that will be.

Rather than just come off the hinge like this, maybe you should dig a bit for a few facts before making gross assumptions.

Scipio · 09-03-2004, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsandman

Regarding your example of "supply and demand", the supply of THAT particular book, far exceeds its demand, based on my "anecdotal" observations in bookstores throughout this major city.

We may agree to disagree, but it still does not change the fact that anyone wishing to buy "Unfit For Command", cannot find it, as certainly the damand is there, but somehow the supply is not.

I didn't say that producers are always correct. I just pointed out that they make assumptions based on what they see in the market, and make rational decisions about how many copies to print.

The other point is that the demand for the swiftboat book was almost completely unanticipated. No doubt copies of that book are being printed as we speak, and in large numbers.

onetime2 · 09-03-2004, 09:24 AM

I really got a laugh out of this thread. Thanks all.

There are countless George Bush conspiracies littered throughout the politics pages and most who decry this one here wouldn't so much as look sideways at them.

Personally I do not see it as a conspiracy at all. The book stores are in the business of making money. They'll sell paper covered in dog crap as art if people will buy them at a nice enough mark up. The publishing industry works on ridiculously tight margins and anything and everything that brings in money is revered.

zandor45w · 09-03-2004, 10:45 AM

From what I have heard, no real conspiracy, just its a small publisher and it can't keep up with the demand. BTW out of stock in Columbia, MO.

jcookc6 · 09-03-2004, 11:53 AM

I found it in Barnes & Noble, it is not out front, but in the middle of the store. It did get sold out, but they got more copies.

guthmund · 09-03-2004, 12:36 PM

You can get it for "free" from NewsMax

Well, free with a paid subscription to NewsMax, so if you were going to buy the book anyway.....

So see you can find, just not waiting outside your door for you.

mrsandman · 09-03-2004, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scipio

I didn't say that producers are always correct. I just pointed out that they make assumptions based on what they see in the market, and make rational decisions about how many copies to print.

The other point is that the demand for the swiftboat book was almost completely unanticipated. No doubt copies of that book are being printed as we speak, and in large numbers.

We're cool then.

mrsandman · 09-03-2004, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superbelt

www.amazon.com

Go buy it if you wish.

Noone could have known just how popular that loosely written piece of tripe could have been.

Rather than just come off the hinge like this, maybe you should dig a bit for a few facts before making gross assumptions.

Dig?...I've dug...bite me very much.

Superbelt · 09-03-2004, 05:26 PM

Wow, don't be a prick.

You forgot to quote this part...

"How about, instead of pushing some insane conspiracy theory, CALL the bookstores or go in and ask for a manager. Ask him why there aren't any copies of the book and ask him/her how many copies of the book their ordered in the first place. Also ask how many they have coming in for the next shipment and when that will be."

Tell me that you actually talked to a manager and ASKED him how many copies they had already sold, and how many they have on backorder.
If you don't answer that you are just being infantile.

tecoyah · 09-03-2004, 05:33 PM

I couldn't find a copy of " The Hobbit" anywhere after the lord of the rings movie was released. Freakin' liberal media must have hypnotized the buyers into thinking aliens had written it under a pen name......Yeah, that explains it.

mrsandman · 09-03-2004, 05:39 PM

"don't be a prick"?

Expletives aside...you apparently are used to winning arguements with
volume.

mrsandman · 09-03-2004, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tecoyah

I couldn't find a copy of " The Hobbit" anywhere after the lord of the rings movie was released. Freakin' liberal media must have hypnotized the buyers into thinking aliens had written it under a pen name......Yeah, that explains it.

I don't know about the "aliens" part, but you are definately catching on.

Shauk · 09-04-2004, 08:27 PM

Hastings here had it for like 75% off, cuz it was right after all the news showing how factually incorrect and impossible the book was.

its fiction.

Strange Famous · 09-05-2004, 06:54 AM

At the end of the day, these booksellers and the publishers, are capitalistic enterprises, they will make available any commodity that they can sell enough of to make profit... I dont think the politics of the book really comes into it, unless it is somethig especially offensive that selling may cause negative publicity.

On the basis that many more books are published than can fit in any store, its just the way it is I guess... Im sure any of those stores would have ordered you a copy if you'd have asked... they all probably had 250+ copies of the latest Harry Potter too, the only conspiracy is that of maximising profit and turnover in place of artistic or educational merit... and its a pretty transparent one!

filtherton · 09-05-2004, 11:50 AM

I was looking for a copy of "the turner diaries" a barnes and noble didn't have it. WTF!?!?! Probably because it speaks the truth that flies in the face of what the commie-jewish-abortion-doctors who run the world want you to think. Down with ZOG!!!!

09-02-2004, 02:51 PM	#1 (permalink)
mrsandman Addict Location: 3rd coast area	Unfit For Command and UNAVAILABLE Maybe it is just where I live (doubt it), but I've visited Barnes and Noble, B.Dalton, Borders, Sam's Club, Costco, etc. and I could not find ONE copy of "Unfit for Command" available anywhere. I did, however, find PLENTY of prominently displayed copies (at Costco, there were 250+ copies) of ex-President clinton's book available at every bookstore I visited. I did find it (the Swifty's book) available on the internet. I just think that you should be able to walk into any local bookstore and just buy the book w/o waiting for it to be delivered via mail. I think there is more going on here than meets the eye. What do you think? Coincidence or conspiracy? __________________ Hail to ALL the troops and shadow warriors.

09-02-2004, 03:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
Scipio Mencken Location: College	It's simple economics. Anticipated Demand for My Life, by William Clinton: Very High Indeed Anticipated Demand for Unfit for Command, one of many conservative publications out there this election cycle: Quite a Bit Lower Publishers won't bring a million copies of a book to market if they only expect to sell 150 thousand. __________________ "Erections lasting more than 4 hours, though rare, require immediate medical attention."

09-02-2004, 03:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
mrsandman Addict Location: 3rd coast area	The point of this thread is to point out that a lot of people are trying to buy this book and it is somehow not available. Define "trolling". __________________ Hail to ALL the troops and shadow warriors.

09-02-2004, 06:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
Kadath Muffled Location: Camazotz	I'd say if you really believe it's either a coincidence or a conspiracy, you're a little off base. Former President Clinton is a little more bankable than disgruntled and formerly anonymous veterans. I'd love to be able to walk into a store and be sure they had a copy of the book or movie or whatever that I wanted, but I understand that the need for instant gratification is a stage humans move past in childhood. __________________ it's quiet in here

09-02-2004, 07:07 PM	#7 (permalink)
mrsandman Addict Location: 3rd coast area	So, apparantly, I am the only one who wishes to purchase this book, and am unable to find it available in a major city? I guess I must be a conspiracist. __________________ Hail to ALL the troops and shadow warriors.

09-02-2004, 03:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	It's also a question of when the book was released and what is the flavor of the month. PS, what is the point of this thread, other than trolling?

09-02-2004, 09:42 PM	#10 (permalink)
Scipio Mencken Location: College	Well, I have said all I can. I don't suppose you're going to give me any non-anecdotal evidence? __________________ "Erections lasting more than 4 hours, though rare, require immediate medical attention."

09-03-2004, 08:23 AM	#12 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	www.amazon.com Go buy it if you wish. The supply of that book does not exceed the demand. Noone could have known just how popular that loosely written piece of tripe could have been. They printed so many and sent them around the country. How about, instead of pushing some insane conspiracy theory, CALL the bookstores or go in and ask for a manager. Ask him why there aren't any copies of the book and ask him/her how many copies of the book their ordered in the first place. Also ask how many they have coming in for the next shipment and when that will be. Rather than just come off the hinge like this, maybe you should dig a bit for a few facts before making gross assumptions.

09-03-2004, 09:24 AM	#14 (permalink)
onetime2 Junkie Location: NJ	I really got a laugh out of this thread. Thanks all. There are countless George Bush conspiracies littered throughout the politics pages and most who decry this one here wouldn't so much as look sideways at them. Personally I do not see it as a conspiracy at all. The book stores are in the business of making money. They'll sell paper covered in dog crap as art if people will buy them at a nice enough mark up. The publishing industry works on ridiculously tight margins and anything and everything that brings in money is revered. __________________ Strive to be more curious than ignorant.

09-03-2004, 10:45 AM	#15 (permalink)
zandor45w Upright	From what I have heard, no real conspiracy, just its a small publisher and it can't keep up with the demand. BTW out of stock in Columbia, MO.

09-03-2004, 11:53 AM	#16 (permalink)
jcookc6 Psycho Location: Venice, Florida	I found it in Barnes & Noble, it is not out front, but in the middle of the store. It did get sold out, but they got more copies.

09-03-2004, 12:36 PM	#17 (permalink)
guthmund big damn hero	You can get it for "free" from NewsMax Well, free with a paid subscription to NewsMax, so if you were going to buy the book anyway..... So see you can find, just not waiting outside your door for you. __________________ No signature. None. Seriously.

09-03-2004, 05:26 PM	#20 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	Wow, don't be a prick. You forgot to quote this part... "How about, instead of pushing some insane conspiracy theory, CALL the bookstores or go in and ask for a manager. Ask him why there aren't any copies of the book and ask him/her how many copies of the book their ordered in the first place. Also ask how many they have coming in for the next shipment and when that will be." Tell me that you actually talked to a manager and ASKED him how many copies they had already sold, and how many they have on backorder. If you don't answer that you are just being infantile.

09-03-2004, 05:33 PM	#21 (permalink)
tecoyah Illusionary	I couldn't find a copy of " The Hobbit" anywhere after the lord of the rings movie was released. Freakin' liberal media must have hypnotized the buyers into thinking aliens had written it under a pen name......Yeah, that explains it. __________________ Holding onto anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned. - Buddha

09-03-2004, 05:39 PM	#22 (permalink)
mrsandman Addict Location: 3rd coast area	"don't be a prick"? Expletives aside...you apparently are used to winning arguements with volume. __________________ Hail to ALL the troops and shadow warriors. Last edited by mrsandman; 09-03-2004 at 05:42 PM..

09-04-2004, 08:27 PM	#24 (permalink)
Shauk Confused Adult Location: Spokane, WA	Hastings here had it for like 75% off, cuz it was right after all the news showing how factually incorrect and impossible the book was. its fiction.

09-05-2004, 06:54 AM	#25 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	At the end of the day, these booksellers and the publishers, are capitalistic enterprises, they will make available any commodity that they can sell enough of to make profit... I dont think the politics of the book really comes into it, unless it is somethig especially offensive that selling may cause negative publicity. On the basis that many more books are published than can fit in any store, its just the way it is I guess... Im sure any of those stores would have ordered you a copy if you'd have asked... they all probably had 250+ copies of the latest Harry Potter too, the only conspiracy is that of maximising profit and turnover in place of artistic or educational merit... and its a pretty transparent one! __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

09-05-2004, 11:50 AM	#26 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	I was looking for a copy of "the turner diaries" a barnes and noble didn't have it. WTF!?!?! Probably because it speaks the truth that flies in the face of what the commie-jewish-abortion-doctors who run the world want you to think. Down with ZOG!!!!