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Old 09-02-2004, 02:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Unfit For Command and UNAVAILABLE

Maybe it is just where I live (doubt it), but I've visited Barnes and Noble, B.Dalton, Borders, Sam's Club, Costco, etc. and I could not find ONE copy of "Unfit for Command" available anywhere. I did, however, find PLENTY of prominently displayed copies (at Costco, there were 250+ copies) of ex-President clinton's book available at every bookstore I visited.

I did find it (the Swifty's book) available on the internet. I just think that you should be able to walk into any local bookstore and just buy the book w/o waiting for it to be delivered via mail. I think there is more going on here than meets the eye. What do you think?

Coincidence or conspiracy?
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Old 09-02-2004, 03:04 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It's simple economics.

Anticipated Demand for My Life, by William Clinton: Very High Indeed

Anticipated Demand for Unfit for Command, one of many conservative publications out there this election cycle: Quite a Bit Lower

Publishers won't bring a million copies of a book to market if they only expect to sell 150 thousand.
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Old 09-02-2004, 03:21 PM   #3 (permalink)
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It's also a question of when the book was released and what is the flavor of the month.

PS, what is the point of this thread, other than trolling?
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Old 09-02-2004, 03:37 PM   #4 (permalink)
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The point of this thread is to point out that a lot of people are trying to buy this book
and it is somehow not available. Define "trolling".
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Old 09-02-2004, 06:25 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I'd say if you really believe it's either a coincidence or a conspiracy, you're a little off base. Former President Clinton is a little more bankable than disgruntled and formerly anonymous veterans. I'd love to be able to walk into a store and be sure they had a copy of the book or movie or whatever that I wanted, but I understand that the need for instant gratification is a stage humans move past in childhood.
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Old 09-02-2004, 06:43 PM   #6 (permalink)
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It's simple economics.

Anticipated Demand for My Life, by William Clinton: Very High Indeed

Anticipated Demand for Unfit for Command, one of many conservative publications out there this election cycle: Quite a Bit Lower

Publishers won't bring a million copies of a book to market if they only expect to sell 150 thousand.
That's all there is to it. There's no conspiracy.
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Old 09-02-2004, 07:07 PM   #7 (permalink)
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So, apparantly, I am the only one who wishes to purchase this book, and am unable to find it available in a major city? I guess I must be a conspiracist.
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Old 09-02-2004, 07:19 PM   #8 (permalink)
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So, apparantly, I am the only one who wishes to purchase this book, and am unable to find it available in a major city? I guess I must be a conspiracist.
It's quite simple really. If you think the book is being actively suppressed because of it's message, then you're a "conspiracist," and you're being irrational.

If you think that it's a coincidence, you're being ignorant.

As I noted, the only real explanation is the economic one. Perhaps you should buy a book on supply and demand instead, and read it while you wait for more copies of the Swiftboat book to be printed. I don't mean that in a totally sarcastic way. If you have never had the supply and demand model in school, you really ought to learn about it. Hell, you don't even need a book, you can read about it here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand
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Old 09-02-2004, 08:09 PM   #9 (permalink)
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It's quite simple really. If you think the book is being actively suppressed because of it's message, then you're a "conspiracist," and you're being irrational.
I'll plead guilty to the "conspiracist" then, as for irrational, no.
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Old 09-02-2004, 09:42 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Well, I have said all I can. I don't suppose you're going to give me any non-anecdotal evidence?
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Old 09-03-2004, 08:18 AM   #11 (permalink)
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It's simple economics.

Anticipated Demand for My Life, by William Clinton: Very High Indeed
Regarding your example of "supply and demand", the supply of THAT particular book, far exceeds its demand, based on my "anecdotal" observations in bookstores throughout this major city.

We may agree to disagree, but it still does not change the fact that anyone wishing to buy "Unfit For Command", cannot find it, as certainly the damand is there, but somehow the supply is not.
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Old 09-03-2004, 08:23 AM   #12 (permalink)
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www.amazon.com

Go buy it if you wish.

The supply of that book does not exceed the demand. Noone could have known just how popular that loosely written piece of tripe could have been. They printed so many and sent them around the country.

How about, instead of pushing some insane conspiracy theory, CALL the bookstores or go in and ask for a manager. Ask him why there aren't any copies of the book and ask him/her how many copies of the book their ordered in the first place. Also ask how many they have coming in for the next shipment and when that will be.

Rather than just come off the hinge like this, maybe you should dig a bit for a few facts before making gross assumptions.
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Old 09-03-2004, 08:46 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Regarding your example of "supply and demand", the supply of THAT particular book, far exceeds its demand, based on my "anecdotal" observations in bookstores throughout this major city.

We may agree to disagree, but it still does not change the fact that anyone wishing to buy "Unfit For Command", cannot find it, as certainly the damand is there, but somehow the supply is not.
I didn't say that producers are always correct. I just pointed out that they make assumptions based on what they see in the market, and make rational decisions about how many copies to print.

The other point is that the demand for the swiftboat book was almost completely unanticipated. No doubt copies of that book are being printed as we speak, and in large numbers.
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Old 09-03-2004, 09:24 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I really got a laugh out of this thread. Thanks all.

There are countless George Bush conspiracies littered throughout the politics pages and most who decry this one here wouldn't so much as look sideways at them.

Personally I do not see it as a conspiracy at all. The book stores are in the business of making money. They'll sell paper covered in dog crap as art if people will buy them at a nice enough mark up. The publishing industry works on ridiculously tight margins and anything and everything that brings in money is revered.
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Old 09-03-2004, 10:45 AM   #15 (permalink)
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From what I have heard, no real conspiracy, just its a small publisher and it can't keep up with the demand. BTW out of stock in Columbia, MO.
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Old 09-03-2004, 11:53 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I found it in Barnes & Noble, it is not out front, but in the middle of the store. It did get sold out, but they got more copies.
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Old 09-03-2004, 12:36 PM   #17 (permalink)
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You can get it for "free" from NewsMax

Well, free with a paid subscription to NewsMax, so if you were going to buy the book anyway.....

So see you can find, just not waiting outside your door for you.
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Old 09-03-2004, 03:14 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I didn't say that producers are always correct. I just pointed out that they make assumptions based on what they see in the market, and make rational decisions about how many copies to print.

The other point is that the demand for the swiftboat book was almost completely unanticipated. No doubt copies of that book are being printed as we speak, and in large numbers.
We're cool then.
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Old 09-03-2004, 03:17 PM   #19 (permalink)
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www.amazon.com

Go buy it if you wish.

Noone could have known just how popular that loosely written piece of tripe could have been.

Rather than just come off the hinge like this, maybe you should dig a bit for a few facts before making gross assumptions.
Dig?...I've dug...bite me very much.
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Old 09-03-2004, 05:26 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Wow, don't be a prick.

You forgot to quote this part...

"How about, instead of pushing some insane conspiracy theory, CALL the bookstores or go in and ask for a manager. Ask him why there aren't any copies of the book and ask him/her how many copies of the book their ordered in the first place. Also ask how many they have coming in for the next shipment and when that will be."

Tell me that you actually talked to a manager and ASKED him how many copies they had already sold, and how many they have on backorder.
If you don't answer that you are just being infantile.
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Old 09-03-2004, 05:33 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I couldn't find a copy of " The Hobbit" anywhere after the lord of the rings movie was released. Freakin' liberal media must have hypnotized the buyers into thinking aliens had written it under a pen name......Yeah, that explains it.
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Old 09-03-2004, 05:39 PM   #22 (permalink)
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"don't be a prick"?

Expletives aside...you apparently are used to winning arguements with
volume.
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Old 09-03-2004, 06:06 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I couldn't find a copy of " The Hobbit" anywhere after the lord of the rings movie was released. Freakin' liberal media must have hypnotized the buyers into thinking aliens had written it under a pen name......Yeah, that explains it.
I don't know about the "aliens" part, but you are definately catching on.
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Old 09-04-2004, 08:27 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Hastings here had it for like 75% off, cuz it was right after all the news showing how factually incorrect and impossible the book was.

its fiction.
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Old 09-05-2004, 06:54 AM   #25 (permalink)
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At the end of the day, these booksellers and the publishers, are capitalistic enterprises, they will make available any commodity that they can sell enough of to make profit... I dont think the politics of the book really comes into it, unless it is somethig especially offensive that selling may cause negative publicity.

On the basis that many more books are published than can fit in any store, its just the way it is I guess... Im sure any of those stores would have ordered you a copy if you'd have asked... they all probably had 250+ copies of the latest Harry Potter too, the only conspiracy is that of maximising profit and turnover in place of artistic or educational merit... and its a pretty transparent one!
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Old 09-05-2004, 11:50 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I was looking for a copy of "the turner diaries" a barnes and noble didn't have it. WTF!?!?! Probably because it speaks the truth that flies in the face of what the commie-jewish-abortion-doctors who run the world want you to think. Down with ZOG!!!!







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