CBS Rejects MoveOn Super Bowl ad - Page 2 - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Tophat665 · 01-26-2004, 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by filtherton
I think cbs should fire madden and what's his nuts and replace them with the incumbent and the leading opposition candidate. It'd probably be a lot more entertaining than hearing madden constantly remind everybody that it is indeed the reciever's job to catch the ball.

Kerry: Oh man! well, Mr. President, the Patriots from the great State of Massachussets really seem to be thumping those inbred, Carolina peckerwoods, wouln't you say?

Bush: Pretzels! I told them chips. Where's Rummy! Get me those chips or I swear to God I'm gonna bomb something!

Kerry: Thank you Mr. President. Let's go to Howard Dean on the Carolina side line.

Dean: Well, they're gonna take the ball, and they're gonna go to the 30. They're gonna go to the 40, the 50, the 40, the 20, and then they're gonna take that ball and ram it into the endzone where it belongs.

YEEEEEEAAAAAARRRRRGH!!!!!!!!
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Thank you so much for putting that in my head.

filtherton · 01-26-2004, 04:51 PM

nice

sixate · 01-26-2004, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by European Son
Yeah it's not like he spends all the money on tax cuts for the ritch, dodgy warfare and trips to outer space or anyting.

I was gonna comment on this, but I realized the user is now banned.

*runs off to see why*

matthew330 · 01-26-2004, 07:49 PM

IRONY = liberals removing the pledge of allegiance from public schools to avoid offending, uhh, someone..., removing any reference to religion (christianity) from any public forum for fear of offending, uhh, someone; but insisting on their misguided one-liners being force fed to the american public via the superbowl.

Johnny Rotten · 01-26-2004, 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by matthew330
IRONY = liberals removing the pledge of allegiance from public schools to avoid offending, uhh, someone..., removing any reference to religion (christianity) from any public forum for fear of offending, uhh, someone; but insisting on their misguided one-liners being force fed to the american public via the superbowl.

It's not about offending somene so much as keeping clear the separation between Church and State. I'm not saying I agree with or disagree with this perception. But that's pretty much what the deal's about. "Under God" is viewed by the U.S. Court as being an implicit endorsement of Christianity. To further extrapolate an implied denigration of atheism and polytheism is shakier ground.

filtherton · 01-27-2004, 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by matthew330
IRONY = liberals removing the pledge of allegiance from public schools to avoid offending, uhh, someone..., removing any reference to religion (christianity) from any public forum for fear of offending, uhh, someone; but insisting on their misguided one-liners being force fed to the american public via the superbowl.

IRONY= conservatives fighting to force people to recite the pledge of allegiance whether or not they believe in the god it alludes to and attempting to force christianity upon all who enter public buildings by way of the ten commandments; but insisting that no one should be forced to hear something that they don't agree with on superbowl sunday.

About as accurate and rooted in reality as your little rant.

Conclamo Ludus · 01-27-2004, 03:35 PM

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Originally posted by Ustwo
While I think the add is quite silly, and is obviously a ploy for Pepsi to say 'we are so hip, drink it!', I think they should run every moveon add.

Over the top propaganda tends to have the opposite effect. Hell I wish they would run the Hitler ones.

I'm with you. Run them all day.

Mojo_PeiPei · 01-27-2004, 04:08 PM

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Originally posted by Johnny Rotten
It's not about offending somene so much as keeping clear the separation between Church and State. I'm not saying I agree with or disagree with this perception. But that's pretty much what the deal's about. "Under God" is viewed by the U.S. Court as being an implicit endorsement of Christianity. To further extrapolate an implied denigration of atheism and polytheism is shakier ground.

1) Seperation of Church and State is not in the constitution, Wall of seperation was only TALKED about in a letter to the Danbury Baptists

http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpre.html

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The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

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IRONY= conservatives fighting to force people to recite the pledge of allegiance whether or not they believe in the god it alludes to and attempting to force christianity upon all who enter public buildings by way of the ten commandments; but insisting that no one should be forced to hear something that they don't agree with on superbowl sunday.

Whats wrong with mentioning God the creator in the pledge? After all it was through him that all our rights were endowed and on that basis and tradition that our country was founded. Secondly 10 commandments is not solely christian, ignorant people like yourself might not know this but actually it was Jews who established, christians who jumped on the band wagon later with it, and Muslims who hold them as sacred law as well.

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Back on track, do we really have to politicize EVERYTHING, get serious. The last thing I want to hear or see during the superbowl is any form of political rhetoric Pro or Anti Dubya. I just want to watch stupid low brow humor commercials and the Pats get stomped on by Carolina. Is that to much to ask for?

Zamunda · 01-27-2004, 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
1Whats wrong with mentioning God the creator in the pledge? After all it was through him that all our rights were endowed and on that basis and tradition that our country was founded. Secondly 10 commandments is not solely christian, ignorant people like yourself might not know this but actually it was Jews who established, christians who jumped on the band wagon later with it, and Muslims who hold them as sacred law as well.

While I'm with anyone who wants to see the pats crushed, I really don't think this kind of religious arguement is worth having because there are clearly many people who would disagree with the idea that god endowed us with everything. While I myself might believe this, its ridiculous to think everyone else would. Also, the muslims hold the bible (and the 10 commandments therein) to be truth, but a much lesser truth than the Qu'ran, and there are many other religions in the world who's view on the 10 commandments you haven't touched on... actually I just realized, why are we even talking about the 10 commandments when the topic of the thread is moveon and the superbowl?

filtherton · 01-27-2004, 05:39 PM

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Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
1) Seperation of Church and State is not in the constitution, Wall of seperation was only TALKED about in a letter to the Danbury Baptists

http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpre.html

Yes, and if you want to quote directly, americans should only have the right to bear arms if they are part of a "well regulated militia".

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Whats wrong with mentioning God the creator in the pledge? After all it was through him that all our rights were endowed and on that basis and tradition that our country was founded

Through him? Give me a break. I guess i was mistaken. I was under the impression that our country was founded on the basis of democracy and the idea of basic human rights and equality. This country does not belong to your god. This country belongs to all of its citizens, even the ones who don't believe in jesus or god.

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Secondly 10 commandments is not solely christian, ignorant people like yourself might not know this but actually it was Jews who established, christians who jumped on the band wagon later with it, and Muslims who hold them as sacred law as well.

You throw around the word ignorant like you have no concept of irony. Did you even read what you wrote?
Well, thanks for enlightening me on the existence of judaism. Perhaps now you will let me return the favor by letting you in on a little secret. Not all americans fall into either the christian or jew category. Some don't even believe in god at all. In fact the founding fathers didn't believe in your god. Is that the basis and tradition that you were speaking of? Why should people who don't share your particular belief system have to be exposed to some other religion's propaganda in light of the statistical certainty that a whole lot of conservative christians would throw an absolute hissyfit if some judge dared to have a shrine to buddha in the rotunda of a courthouse? The state and the church shouldn't mix. It never works out well for anyone except the priests and the clerics.

p.s. i'm sorry this is off topic.

Lebell · 01-27-2004, 09:11 PM

Yup, name calling is a good way to get a thread locked.

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matthew330 Banned	IRONY = liberals removing the pledge of allegiance from public schools to avoid offending, uhh, someone..., removing any reference to religion (christianity) from any public forum for fear of offending, uhh, someone; but insisting on their misguided one-liners being force fed to the american public via the superbowl.