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This makes me insane. How the fuck can the vatican spew shit like this from their mouth's when they hide pedophiles!? They absolutely know there's a problem, but not only do the look the other way.... They fucking hide these sick pricks. As far as I'm concerned this pile of shit cardinal and the pope are all a bunch of pedophiles who need to be locked up and treated even worse than fucking cows. Better yet, put Saddam on an island with those pedophiles, and let him torture the sick fucks. Then ask them if they pity him.. Idiots! They, and everything they stand for, make me fucking ill.

Wanna bet these idiots barely had any compassion for all the people that Saddam has killed and tortured over the past 20 years? I'm gonna go to sleep because I can go on and on about just how fucked this is....

jwoody

It makes you wonder whether they spout this bullshit just to see if the brainwash is still working.

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Conclamo Ludus

I hope they feel sorry for this too:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3253783.stm

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Kadath

Let me first be clear: I don't feel sorry for Saddam. At all.

But I can see how the images they showed of his examination and his bedraggled appearance therein might serve to evoke pity from some people. He did appear a pathetic figure. For some, that would inspire glee and a feeling of righteousness. Others, who don't revel in the destruction of their enemies, might be moved to feel sorry for him, misguided though that feeling may be.

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Liquor Dealer

Unless I missed something in the examination of him that was on TV it very muchly appeared that he was indicating to the doctor what was wrong or hurting, and the doctor was changing his attention to the place being indicated - You don't suppose that he was actually getting medical attention now do you? Surely not - it just looked that way!

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Kadath

Hey, Captain Sarcasm, could you tell me where the usually genial and reasonable LD has gone? Let me restate: He appeared pathetic. That may have inspired pity in some. If you disagree, that doesn't make you heartless nor does it make you clever. It simply means you weren't moved. That's okay with me. Also, the phrase "very muchly" makes my brain hurt. Actually, I guess it's just the non-word "muchly."

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Liquor Dealer

Damn! I done went and stepped on the Queen's English again!

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OFKU0

He added that the war on terrorism required more than just repression and retaliation. The Pope said those who wanted to put a stop to it had to do so "by eliminating the underlying causes" and "insisting on an education inspired by respect for human life".

This shows how out of touch the Vatican is but what do you expect,the Pope and his flock are still living in the 16th century.

Ever heard of enlightening a terrorist with education,love and respect. Ha ha ha. Now that is fucking rich.

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Sparhawk

These people aren't born terrorists. What he's referring to is the extreme poverty most of these people are born into, along with thousands upon thousands of madrassahs, or religous schools, which teach a corrupt interpretation of the Koran and hate towards Israel and America.

The Vatican is very much in touch with the real, long-term solutions to terrorism.

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onetime2

I agree with that. They just aren't in touch with what it takes in the short-term.

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cheerios

wow. Guys. They're PRIESTS. they're supposed to preach about loving your fellow man. And about mercy and forgiveness. what else would you expect?!?! That's like expecting Mother Teresa to scream for blood! Someone's gotta stand up for human rights and basic decency, and props for the catholic leaders for doing so. I may not follow their faith, but I agree with them, in this.

Ustwo

Apparently this guy is considered a loose cannon by the Vatican. One person does not a religion make.

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sixate

But cheers, here's what the problem is... They turn their cheek to their own problems, but they have the balls to say something like what they did. They offer no solution to the problems in Iraq or the entire Middle East, but all they do is talk shit about what is being done. It's fine to disagree, but if you can't offer a solution to the problem then you need to shut the fuck up. I just wish that fucking idiot pope would live long enough to see that what were doing will pay off. Not that he'd ever admit to being wrong on his stance... It's one thing to stand up for human rights, but the simple fact is I live in the real world, and some people are fucking monsters and don't deserve any rights, and it fucking pisses me off that the vatican, who follows a blind faith which has never been or ever will be proven, have the fucking balls to say a word about anything when they hide and protect child molesters. How can you call people who hide child molesters leaders of human rights? Would you show mercy and forgiveness for them if they tried to hide a priest that molested your child because they would? They think they're above the law....The hypocrisy of religion makes me sick.

homerhop

sixate, every organisation from religion to government in the world will try to cover up things to prevent bad publicity.
I hope every priest bishop the whole way to the top who knew what was happening get exposed.
I can understand where you are comming from, but there is no point in just selecting one bunch of hypocrits, you might as well name them all

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Sparhawk

You can't condemn the entire Catholic Church for the actions of some within the church (including Cardinal Law, and his role in the cover-up). I'm not a member, and I certainly disagree with the church on many issues, but I respect their mercy and compassion towards everyone-criminals included.

They have presented many solutions toward solving problems in the Middle East in general, and Palestine and Iraq in particular. In the general sense, they want to bridge the awful gap between rich and poor, the educated and the non-educated. As for Palestine, they condemn the killings on both sides, saying quite wisely that bloodshed only begets more bloodshed. And the church does care about the victims of Saddam's brutality, just as it cares for the Christians in China who are being brutally repressed by that government, just as it cares for the Christain and Muslim civilians who are being slaughtered by the thousands in the Sudan, and just as it cares for all who suffer.

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sixate

That's not a realistic goal in America.... Just how the fuck is that supposed to happen in Iraq?

Ustwo

By the world standards, almost all Americans are rich, so the point is moot.

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sixate

So what. Our standards are higher. If you make $10,000 a year here that doesn't make you rich as it could elsewhere. Should we lower our standards? I think not.

Ustwo

Relax buddy I'm on your side, that was more a jab at the left who whine about the poor in the US, as if they have a concept what poverty is.

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Kadath

Augh! Positive feedback leads to system instability! The right wingers on the board have turned on their own!

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Sparhawk

Well, at the very least I moved us away from the catholic-bashing...

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Sparhawk

You could say human rights for all is an unrealistic goal, does that make it any less worthy?

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Ustwo

Except for Iraqi's, let them suffer under Saddam?

Sometimes war is the answer.

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Sparhawk

I agree. The pope doesn't, and I can respect that.

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KellyC

The problem is that those "some" are leaders of the church, leaders are suppose to set good examples for followers or else the system would corrupt. I think of it as being the head thats been cut off and the body is...well you know.

About the sympathy for Saddam, that pope's ASS-istant guy is a fucking dick. Saddam can suffer from torture for a thousand years and die a thousand times and i'll still be happy to piss on his fucking grave and dance around it.

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sixate

Yeah! I couldn't possibly agree more.

Sparhawk

Cardinal Law, the Cardinal in whose diocese the coverup occured, resigned in disgrace. I can think of a few non-catholic leaders in similar situations, shall we then hold the rest of their organizations responsible for those persons' actions?

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onetime2

The cover ups have been going on for decades. They were not isolated incidents and they put more children at risk. The problems were known up through the entire leadership. It's a tragedy that was allowed to happen for fear that publicity would harm the church's image and its income.

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JBX

Ahhh, my Roman Catholic roots spouting off again. Nothing pushes me further from religon than religous leaders. They all need a good case of STFU.

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cheerios

exactly.

sixate

Not sure how I missed this one.... Anyway, I said bridging the gap between rich/poor, and educating the non-educated was unrealistic, mostly because people are lazy pieces of shit. Motivation has nothing to do with human rights. I suppose the people in Iraq had some great human rights under Saddam, huh?

human rights

• The basic rights and freedoms to which all humans are entitled, often held to include the right to life and liberty, freedom of thought and expression, and equality before the law.

I think you'll agree that we have pretty damn good human rights in this country. It's up to yourself to make money and get educated. All the tools and resources are there, and you have nobody to blame if you don't take advantage of it. How would people in Iraq get educated or make money with Saddam in power? We both know they wouldn't. The problem is people in America are lazy as fuck and would rather smoke a joint or drink some beer than go do some damn work or learn something. Everyone here is spoiled and think everything should be handed to them.

Sparhawk

I don't know about the rest of you, but I've certainly been won over by the "people are lazy pieces of shit," and "are lazy as fuck and would rather smoke a joint or drink some beer than go do some damn work or learn something" argument.

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onetime2

LOL. Yep that's how we got where we are today.

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Kadath

sixate, it seems your conclusions are supported by your coworkers, who I've sometimes heard you complain about. It seems that you've been unfortunate enough to become surrounded by people who are lazy. Not to jack, but why do you stay there? If it chaps your ass so much to work with lazy pieces of shit, why do you get off said chapped ass and go find a job with harder working people?

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sixate

That wasn't the point. The point is that in America we have recourses to get educated and make cash... Is there any way possible that Iraqi's could educate themselves or make a great living under Saddam. Obviously, no. Since people in America do have the resources to get educated and make cash, why doesn't it happen? People are lazy. Period. People don't want to have to work. Do you have a better explanation? Motivation has absolutely nothing to do with human rights or the government. A quick question, would you rather smoke a joint/drink beer or go do some work.... I'd much rather work.

Because I need to get a few thing accomplished, and after I do I will get a new job. I am where I am because of stupid choices that I made in the past. I would go into more detail, but I won't bore you with that. I'm making sure that I get some things straightened out then I will move forward, but I won't be a lazy fuck who blames the government or the "man" for my bad choices. Unlike most people, I take full responsibility for my mistakes, and I absolutely will not make the same mistakes again. So for now I have to deal with what I have, and my hard work will pay off. It's just gonna take some time. BTW, I hear stories of the coworkers of my friends and family and the simple fact is most people have no clue how to do their jobs correctly, and they don't care to learn how either... So I don't think my opinion of coworkers will change even after I do move forward and get another job.

filtherton

Actually, despite what you may think, working hard does not a rich person make. There is a certain amount of drive that it takes to be successful financially(provided you weren't born rich), but there is more to it than that. To say that the poor and uneducated are poor and uneducated purely because they are lazy is over-simplified nonsense (reaganomics, anyone?). What would happen to our economy if everyone somehow overcame their "laziness" and went and got themselves a college education or a techinical degree? Would there suddenly be enough jobs for them? Would these new, magical jobs pay more than 6 dollars an hour? No, you'd just end up with millions more over-qualified burger flippers with students loans to pay off. The american economy can't exist without a mass of lower class people- who is going to do the shit work? Despite the whole, "if you work hard enough, you'll be rich and successful" argument we are spoonfed as americans since kindergarten, sometimes, no matter how hard you work, you end up with shit.