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Liquor Dealer · 04-30-2003, 04:27 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,85526,00.html

"While the United States was preoccupied with the Iraq war, Cuban leader Fidel Castro arrested 78 dissidents, journalists and librarians and "tried" them for treason, giving them varying prison sentences of as long as 28 years

The Human Rights Commission wanted to send investigators into Cuba and Cuba said 'no.' And yet, today, Cuba gets re-elected to the Human Rights Commission. It raises troubling issues, and that's why the United States is speaking out about it," Fleischer said."

These actions have brought cries of condemnation from almost every nation on earth - the Pope has even attempted to intervene to no avail.

Cuba was re-elected to the UN Human Rights Commission. The exact same commission that was talking about investigating their earlier actions. It matters not what your political beliefs are in an instance such as this. You do not leave the wolf to guard the sheep. This single act - if you disregard every other maniacle decision made by this organization, is enough to completely destroy anyones ideas of this organization being capable of dealing with any problem, anywhere on the face of the earth.

Macheath · 04-30-2003, 07:41 AM

Here's an article that discusses a practice called "vote trading" and outlines Amnesty International's proposals for reforms to the UN Human Rights Commission:

http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/y03/apr03/24e7.htm

Liquor Dealer · 04-30-2003, 07:52 AM

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Originally posted by Macheath
Here's an article that discusses a practice called "vote trading" and outlines Amnesty International's proposals for reforms to the UN Human Rights Commission:

http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/y03/apr03/24e7.htm

Scary isn't it?

stan the man · 04-30-2003, 11:17 AM

that just made me very angry i will have to wait to give my two cents

Phaenx · 04-30-2003, 11:22 AM

Is there any problem missles don't solve? I propose that there is not.

stan the man · 04-30-2003, 12:02 PM

i propose there is

you would be hard pressed to achive peace at the end of a gun

i would love to be proven wrong

Phaenx · 04-30-2003, 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by stan the man
i propose there is

you would be hard pressed to achive peace at the end of a gun

i would love to be proven wrong

Depends on your perception of peace, and how many people are required to enjoy it.

stan the man · 04-30-2003, 12:14 PM

my perception of peace is not throwing missles

sixate · 04-30-2003, 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by stan the man
my perception of peace is not throwing missles

You can throw missles?

The UN is a joke and I'm sure that everyone already knows how I feel about it so I there's no need for me to say anything else.

crewsor · 04-30-2003, 12:39 PM

Its an embarrassment to host this sorry organization in this country. We need to get the hell out of the U.N. immediately, if not sooner, and boot them over to some third world country. France or Germany as a host comes to mind. They want so badly to be world leaders, let them foot the bill.

Phaenx · 04-30-2003, 12:43 PM

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Originally posted by stan the man
my perception of peace is not throwing missles

Hypothetically, if everyone but you is dead then you don't need to throw missles at people anymore.

stan the man · 04-30-2003, 01:28 PM

and then you go mad due to lonelyness and you start to fight yourself

no peace there im afraid

The_Dude · 04-30-2003, 03:52 PM

that's wrong

Liquor Dealer · 04-30-2003, 05:17 PM

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Originally posted by The_Dude
that's wrong

WHAT'S WRONG!!!!

The_Dude · 04-30-2003, 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by Liquor Dealer
WHAT'S WRONG!!!!

lol, the fact that cuba gets to serve in the human rights commission.

btw, isnt libya heading that?

Mad_Gecko · 05-02-2003, 01:47 PM

"Always make decisions by Comittee, then no-one takes the blame"

The UN could be a solution to a lot of things, its just scary the amount of things it makes worse.....

I would rather have a democratic solution to any problem, but human nature prevents us from taking an unbiased view.

I guess thats why Solomon was such a revered character...

EDIT:

PS: Firstly until Cuba comes totally clean about its Human Rights infringements over the past 30 yrs it has no right to sit on any panel. Secondly unless everyone follows that rule, neither do any of the other nations that currently sit on that panel...

...Gonna be a lonely ol' room.

Liquor Dealer · 05-02-2003, 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by Mad_Gecko
.................

The UN could be a solution to a lot of things, its just scary the anount of things it makes worse.....

I would rather have a democratic solution to any problem, but human nature prevents us from taking an unbiased view.

.....................

What if we made it a democratic decision. Let's put membership in the UN on the ballot - Vote it in - or vote it out! and stay with it when the votes are counted.

Mad_Gecko · 05-02-2003, 02:04 PM

Liquor Dealer

I think that was done when the UN came into existence.

Too late now. Its like opening a new club, after a while any ol' riff-raff get on the guest list.

PS. Anount? Just checked my post and it was ok

reconmike · 05-02-2003, 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by stan the man
i propose there is

you would be hard pressed to achive peace at the end of a gun

i would love to be proven wrong

Peace through fire superiority, hence if I have many more guns than you, you will be very reluctant or crazy to attack me, no?

Phaenx · 05-02-2003, 03:25 PM

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Originally posted by stan the man
and then you go mad due to lonelyness and you start to fight yourself

no peace there im afraid

No. I'm the kind of guy that yells at kids to get off my lawn, I think I'd be quite happy.

globegate · 05-04-2003, 09:10 PM

Did you ever stop to think that letting Cuba onto the council would serve to help bring about human rights in their country?

First, remember that the UN is a forum of world opinion- not a world's government. Second, note that a majority of the world has to deal with human rights violations. Just because we have to deal with Cuba in out backyard does not mean the opinions of the people of Cuba should not be heard.

Nad Adam · 05-05-2003, 02:58 AM

The contradiction that the country that leads 'The war on terrorism' is the only country that has been sentanced for terrorism comes to mind.

aciddrummer · 05-05-2003, 06:10 AM

I can't believe the recent trends in America... I can't believe people are bashing the UN, an organization which has helped hundreds of millions of people, the organization that came up with the human rights.... I can't believe people are preffering war. What has happened to America? Where did it go?
I hope I will wake up from this horrible dream soon.

TaLoN · 05-05-2003, 10:32 AM

I can't even call the UN an organization. When you sit down 50 guys who hate each other and only care about their own gain, nothing will get accomplished. This most recent war illustrates that perfectly.

What is so great about peace? i don't like peace. peace is boring. what is the point of living if you don't have to fight for it. survival of the fittest is how life evolves and that isn't going to happen with peace.

Liquor Dealer · 05-05-2003, 10:50 AM

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Originally posted by aciddrummer
I can't believe the recent trends in America... I can't believe people are bashing the UN, an organization which has helped hundreds of millions of people, the organization that came up with the human rights.... I can't believe people are preffering war. What has happened to America? Where did it go?
I hope I will wake up from this horrible dream soon.

I probably am not seeing your intent in what you have written. No one is saying that there is no need for some type of international organization - one that is capable of functioning would be preferable. Let me see if I have this straight. "the organization that came up with human rights" - "Al Gore invented the internet" - giant shrimp - military intelligence - how far do we need to take this? The United Nations has done more to make a total farce out of even the idea of human rights than anyone probably ever conceived possible. No one is running around preferring war - war is a last resort. If this organization you apparently think so highly of had the balls to even enforce their own resolutions the war would not have been necessary. It seems that many would rather bash the US than the UN - I hope we all wake up from this terrible dream - It is very apparent that the UN was a good name for this organization.

Un important
Un workable
Un desirable
Un intelligent
Un imaginably incompetent
Un able to accomplish jack shit
and the uns could go on forever

Nowlookit · 05-05-2003, 11:39 AM

Well, I would wonder at this: Are humans capable of organizing in another fashion? After a critical mass of humanity conglomerates in one geographic area, leaders arise, some cruel, some altruistic, some wise. Some of these personalities are completely insatiable are far as material wealth and influence(power) are concerned. They cannot be satisfied with a certain level of gain, once they hit a indefineable tipping point, more is the modus operandi. Ex. Medeival Feudal Lords, Mafia Dons, Gang Leaders. Now, within the rubric of politics, local and national, a grand network of favors and accumulation will evolve. We've all seen this on at least the local level. Local level: money often = zoning changes at the expense of the little guy. National level = absurd pork spending tacked onto civil expenditure bills in th legislative branch.

Point? The U.S. Gov't, the U.N., the E.U., are all gross, textbook examples of this. If we disband the U.N., where does it end? What will fill the vacuum? Alternatives? Shaved monkeys, aaugh.

Liquor Dealer · 05-05-2003, 11:48 AM

Shaved monkeys sound acceptable.

snakemike · 05-05-2003, 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by crewsor
Its an embarrassment to host this sorry organization in this country. We need to get the hell out of the U.N. immediately, if not sooner, and boot them over to some third world country. France or Germany as a host comes to mind. They want so badly to be world leaders, let them foot the bill.

You mean like the major UN offices in Geneva and Vienna?

Lebell · 05-05-2003, 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by Liquor Dealer
Shaved monkeys sound acceptable.

Possibly even preferable.

It seems UNlikely the could do worse in this particular instance.

04-30-2003, 04:27 AM	#1 (permalink)
Liquor Dealer Super Agitator Location: Just SW of Nowhere!!! In the good old US of A	The gutless idiocracy that is the UN http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,85526,00.html "While the United States was preoccupied with the Iraq war, Cuban leader Fidel Castro arrested 78 dissidents, journalists and librarians and "tried" them for treason, giving them varying prison sentences of as long as 28 years The Human Rights Commission wanted to send investigators into Cuba and Cuba said 'no.' And yet, today, Cuba gets re-elected to the Human Rights Commission. It raises troubling issues, and that's why the United States is speaking out about it," Fleischer said." These actions have brought cries of condemnation from almost every nation on earth - the Pope has even attempted to intervene to no avail. Cuba was re-elected to the UN Human Rights Commission. The exact same commission that was talking about investigating their earlier actions. It matters not what your political beliefs are in an instance such as this. You do not leave the wolf to guard the sheep. This single act - if you disregard every other maniacle decision made by this organization, is enough to completely destroy anyones ideas of this organization being capable of dealing with any problem, anywhere on the face of the earth. __________________ Life isn't always a bowl of cherries, sometimes it's more like a jar of Jalapenos --- what you say or do today might burn your ass tomorrow!!! Last edited by Liquor Dealer; 04-30-2003 at 04:29 AM..

04-30-2003, 11:17 AM	#4 (permalink)
stan the man Insane	that just made me very angry i will have to wait to give my two cents __________________ long live the hud

04-30-2003, 11:22 AM	#5 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	Is there any problem missles don't solve? I propose that there is not. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

04-30-2003, 12:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
stan the man Insane	i propose there is you would be hard pressed to achive peace at the end of a gun i would love to be proven wrong __________________ long live the hud

04-30-2003, 12:14 PM	#8 (permalink)
stan the man Insane	my perception of peace is not throwing missles __________________ long live the hud

04-30-2003, 07:41 AM	#2 (permalink)
Macheath Junkie Location: Sydney, Australia	Here's an article that discusses a practice called "vote trading" and outlines Amnesty International's proposals for reforms to the UN Human Rights Commission: http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/y03/apr03/24e7.htm

04-30-2003, 12:39 PM	#10 (permalink)
crewsor Women want me. Men fear me. Location: Maryland,USA	Its an embarrassment to host this sorry organization in this country. We need to get the hell out of the U.N. immediately, if not sooner, and boot them over to some third world country. France or Germany as a host comes to mind. They want so badly to be world leaders, let them foot the bill. __________________ We all have wings, some of us just don't know why.

04-30-2003, 01:28 PM	#12 (permalink)
stan the man Insane	and then you go mad due to lonelyness and you start to fight yourself no peace there im afraid __________________ long live the hud

04-30-2003, 03:52 PM	#13 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	that's wrong __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

05-02-2003, 01:47 PM	#16 (permalink)
Mad_Gecko Pro Libertate Location: City Gecko	"Always make decisions by Comittee, then no-one takes the blame" The UN could be a solution to a lot of things, its just scary the amount of things it makes worse..... I would rather have a democratic solution to any problem, but human nature prevents us from taking an unbiased view. I guess thats why Solomon was such a revered character... EDIT: PS: Firstly until Cuba comes totally clean about its Human Rights infringements over the past 30 yrs it has no right to sit on any panel. Secondly unless everyone follows that rule, neither do any of the other nations that currently sit on that panel... ...Gonna be a lonely ol' room. __________________ [color=bright blue]W[/color]e Stick To Glass "If three of us travel together, I shall find two teachers." Confucious Last edited by Mad_Gecko; 05-02-2003 at 01:52 PM..

05-02-2003, 02:04 PM	#18 (permalink)
Mad_Gecko Pro Libertate Location: City Gecko	Liquor Dealer I think that was done when the UN came into existence. Too late now. Its like opening a new club, after a while any ol' riff-raff get on the guest list. PS. Anount? Just checked my post and it was ok __________________ [color=bright blue]W[/color]e Stick To Glass "If three of us travel together, I shall find two teachers." Confucious Last edited by Mad_Gecko; 05-02-2003 at 02:06 PM..

05-04-2003, 09:10 PM	#21 (permalink)
globegate Upright Location: Los Angeles	Did you ever stop to think that letting Cuba onto the council would serve to help bring about human rights in their country? First, remember that the UN is a forum of world opinion- not a world's government. Second, note that a majority of the world has to deal with human rights violations. Just because we have to deal with Cuba in out backyard does not mean the opinions of the people of Cuba should not be heard. __________________ Please kids, remember the kittens. Kitten slaughter is at an all time high. I you post on the Boobs board, contribute to the TFP or the ASPCA/ Humane Society. Only then can we end the sensless slaughter of kittens.

05-05-2003, 02:58 AM	#22 (permalink)
Nad Adam Psycho Location: Sweden	The contradiction that the country that leads 'The war on terrorism' is the only country that has been sentanced for terrorism comes to mind. __________________ Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. - Psalms 137:9

05-05-2003, 06:10 AM	#23 (permalink)
aciddrummer Upright	I can't believe the recent trends in America... I can't believe people are bashing the UN, an organization which has helped hundreds of millions of people, the organization that came up with the human rights.... I can't believe people are preffering war. What has happened to America? Where did it go? I hope I will wake up from this horrible dream soon.

05-05-2003, 10:32 AM	#24 (permalink)
TaLoN Loser Location: MI	I can't even call the UN an organization. When you sit down 50 guys who hate each other and only care about their own gain, nothing will get accomplished. This most recent war illustrates that perfectly. What is so great about peace? i don't like peace. peace is boring. what is the point of living if you don't have to fight for it. survival of the fittest is how life evolves and that isn't going to happen with peace.

05-05-2003, 11:39 AM	#26 (permalink)
Nowlookit Upright	Well, I would wonder at this: Are humans capable of organizing in another fashion? After a critical mass of humanity conglomerates in one geographic area, leaders arise, some cruel, some altruistic, some wise. Some of these personalities are completely insatiable are far as material wealth and influence(power) are concerned. They cannot be satisfied with a certain level of gain, once they hit a indefineable tipping point, more is the modus operandi. Ex. Medeival Feudal Lords, Mafia Dons, Gang Leaders. Now, within the rubric of politics, local and national, a grand network of favors and accumulation will evolve. We've all seen this on at least the local level. Local level: money often = zoning changes at the expense of the little guy. National level = absurd pork spending tacked onto civil expenditure bills in th legislative branch. Point? The U.S. Gov't, the U.N., the E.U., are all gross, textbook examples of this. If we disband the U.N., where does it end? What will fill the vacuum? Alternatives? Shaved monkeys, aaugh.

05-05-2003, 11:48 AM	#27 (permalink)
Liquor Dealer Super Agitator Location: Just SW of Nowhere!!! In the good old US of A	Shaved monkeys sound acceptable. __________________ Life isn't always a bowl of cherries, sometimes it's more like a jar of Jalapenos --- what you say or do today might burn your ass tomorrow!!!