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Ustwo · 11-04-2003, 07:02 PM

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Originally posted by Sparhawk
My personal opinion: Short of the president literally wiping his ass with the Constitution, you'll never see large-scale defections of active duty troops.

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Food Eater Lad · 11-04-2003, 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by 2wolves
So less crime equates to a polite society? Wanna run that by me again?

2Wolves

The Swiss are very polite, and very armed.
And so are Canadians.

Food Eater Lad · 11-04-2003, 07:44 PM

Guns are legal cause the Bill of Rights says so.

ARTelevision · 11-04-2003, 08:11 PM

For those of you who wonder sometimes if those of us who don't always comment are reading the thread, I thought I'd pop in to say yes, I'm reading the thread.
Carry on...

oldman2003 · 11-04-2003, 09:05 PM

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Originally posted by Kadath
Your use of the word "vermin" fills me with cold dread.
All I will say on this tired old topic is that guns are not tools. Guns are weapons. A tool is used to make something. Guns can only destroy.

I have never owned a gun in my life. I have always been against guns, for myself. I am in favor of others owning a gun.... let me share a story about the only time in my 50 yrs that I shot a gun... I worked in an aluminum extrusion factory in the early 70’s. Some of the products we made were light poles and sail boat mass. When the product comes out of the die I had to shoot it with a 22 (that was mounted on the machine) to allow air in quickly so the tubes would not collapse. I almost protested to my foreman that I don’t like guns and want nothing to do with them. As I thought about it, I realized I was being an idiot. The gun was a necessary TOOL in order to get the job done. Yes a gun can be a tool. Thank you.

eple · 11-05-2003, 12:07 AM

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Originally posted by Lebell
Fortunately I know other people from Norway or else I would draw the same conclusion.

Hay Norwegians are rude as hell, but then again we seldom claim to be very polite. But I guess the rudeness has to be connected to our lack of guns.

Astrocloud · 11-05-2003, 12:27 AM

Interesting thread so far...

My take on why it's okay for a reason why guns are legal is because it's okay for citizens to be responsible for themselves. I

n other words... even though the Citizenry often makes wrong decisions with guns; perhaps it's the one area that people are allowed to make mistakes.

Since the majority of gun deaths are by suicide. (Facts from here). -Perhaps people should be allowed to choose their demise -if they choose to do so. Hey I'm not for it but people should have power over their own destiny... and even other peoples too -(to a certain extent). Just let people decide their own destiny for once. Sorry if it's bad but it's their choice.

seretogis · 11-05-2003, 02:23 AM

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Originally posted by Astrocloud
Since the majority of gun deaths are by suicide. (Facts from here). -Perhaps people should be allowed to choose their demise -if they choose to do so. Hey I'm not for it but people should have power over their own destiny... and even other peoples too -(to a certain extent). Just let people decide their own destiny for once. Sorry if it's bad but it's their choice.

Well, legalizing suicide isn't really going to have any effect at all. It's not like you can punish people who do it.

2wolves · 11-05-2003, 09:42 AM

Long term darwinism. Has to be a contributing factor.

(not quite jesting)

2Wolves

almostaugust · 11-08-2003, 09:59 PM

For me its hard to understand why people would want everyone to own a gun. Those statistics about children in the home 50times more likely to be killed by a gun owned by a family member than an intruder, or that more US citizens have been killed by thier own guns than any of the wars this century- to me is pretty telling. Socially the whole thing seems pretty crazy from where i stand.

Peetster · 11-09-2003, 04:19 AM

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Originally posted by almostaugust
For me its hard to understand why people would want everyone to own a gun.

No one wants "everyone" to own a gun, just the right for law-abiding citizens to own them. As it stands, any criminal can easily obtain just about any weapon of choice. They violate a dozen or more federal laws to do so, but hey, they are criminals. Enacting one or two more laws doesn't make it any more challenging.

I'm a good citizen. I vote and pay taxes. I exercise due prudence in storing and operating my firearms. Why should my guns be illegal?

I intend to purchase a handgun next weekend. My only motivation is that the anti-gun lobby in DC feels I should not have the right to do so. That's all the incentive I need.

gabshu · 11-09-2003, 07:09 AM

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Originally posted by Peetster
I intend to purchase a handgun next weekend. My only motivation is that the anti-gun lobby in DC feels I should not have the right to do so. That's all the incentive I need.

Don't know if you've seen the crime statistics for DC, we are the nation's crime capital, and it seems that every night you hear on the news that some kid shot other kids outside of a high school.

I've never owned guns and living in DC I feel no need to, but I got an interesting perspective on the issue from a girl from Montana. She said that her family needed to have guns because a bear might come to their backyard and reak havoc. I believe gun control should be localized, and DC should have even more restrictions on owning guns.

Lebell · 11-09-2003, 08:36 AM

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Originally posted by gabshu
Don't know if you've seen the crime statistics for DC, we are the nation's crime capital, and it seems that every night you hear on the news that some kid shot other kids outside of a high school.

I've never owned guns and living in DC I feel no need to, but I got an interesting perspective on the issue from a girl from Montana. She said that her family needed to have guns because a bear might come to their backyard and reak havoc. I believe gun control should be localized, and DC should have even more restrictions on owning guns.

The irony is of course, that the large urban areas with the most gun control (Washington D.C., Los Angeles, Chicago) have the most gun related homicides.

This fact alone indicates to me that the answer is not in yet more regulation but somewhere else.

Gun related violence is simply violence and we need to look at the root cause and quit treating simptoms.

splck · 11-09-2003, 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by Lebell
The irony is of course, that the large urban areas with the most gun control (Washington D.C., Los Angeles, Chicago) have the most gun related homicides.

This fact alone indicates to me that the answer is not in yet more regulation but somewhere else.

Gun related violence is simply violence and we need to look at the root cause and quit treating simptoms.

We can't cure the common cold, yet we still treat the symptoms.

That said, I don't think gun control will do any good because of the vast amount of firearms already existing in the states.

Lebell · 11-09-2003, 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by splck
We can't cure the common cold, yet we still treat the symptoms.

That said, I don't think gun control will do any good because of the vast amount of firearms already existing in the states.

Yes, we do treat the simptoms and as most people know, the treatments are nothing more than things we do to make ourselves feel better while the cold works itself out.

SuperMidget · 11-09-2003, 01:05 PM

http://www.therighter.com/articles/

I don't know if ths really fits, but it is an interesting article on the psyche of the anti-gun crowd.

As for why I believe firearms are legal, because it is a god given right, and the Bill of Rights prevents the government from taking it away. There are many legitimate uses for firearms not the least of which is self-defense. My firearms are used for hunting and, god forbid anyone take it into their head to invade my home, self-defense.

Currently I own a shotgun and a mini-14. Gasp, yes one of the dangerous so called assault weapons. Yes, the mini-14 is a military style rifle, but I have yet to find a more reliable and easy to use rifle. In fact it is probably less dangerous than ninety percent of the other rifles available for purchase, but the reliabilty is what I was looking for at the time. Within another six months I plan on adding a handgun to my collection. Why, because it fits a niche i my collection. Would you golf with only a driver and a putter? No, a golfer has a selection of clubs to pick the best one for the shot. Hunters similarly have a need for different weapons for different uses.

Food Eater Lad · 11-09-2003, 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by almostaugust
For me its hard to understand why people would want everyone to own a gun. Those statistics about children in the home 50times more likely to be killed by a gun owned by a family member than an intruder, or that more US citizens have been killed by thier own guns than any of the wars this century- to me is pretty telling. Socially the whole thing seems pretty crazy from where i stand.

That statistic has been debunked years ago. It is nothing but unsubstantiated nonsence.

aceventura3 · 11-09-2003, 03:48 PM

Why are gun legal? A better question is why should they be illegal? If you suggest that they might hurt people, I would say a lot of other things. Most gun owners are responsible with their guns, just like most people are responsible with whatever else they have that makes them happy but that could hurt someone. If I like guns and I don't bother you, then whats the problem?

Peetster · 11-09-2003, 03:54 PM

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Originally posted by gabshu
Don't know if you've seen the crime statistics for DC, we are the nation's crime capital

And yet DC already has the most restrictive gun laws in the US. It hasn't worked out so well, has it.

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Originally posted by gabshu
DC should have even more restrictions on owning guns.

Yeah, that'll work.

Mojo_PeiPei · 11-09-2003, 04:50 PM

What really pisses me off about anti-gun people is they never grasp this simple truth:

Criminals will always have guns, no matter how many laws you throw at them there will always be a black market.

MSD · 11-12-2003, 01:34 PM

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Originally posted by filtherton
Reconmike, you've been in the military. How do you think the u.s. army would stack up against an undertrained and underarmed u.s. populace?

I'd like to throw in my own two cents here. We see that in Iraq, an average of one or two soldiers per day are killed. If we assume that the resistance there is as small as our officials say it is, I think it's safe to say that a much larger resistance force in a much larger country oculd inflict some serious damage against our own military if they turn against us.

I'd also like to think that if the Government issued an order to turn against the people of our country, a good number of soldiers would turn around and give their lives in defense of the people instead of corrupt officials.

nirol · 11-12-2003, 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by eple
Hay Norwegians are rude as hell, but then again we seldom claim to be very polite. But I guess the rudeness has to be connected to our lack of guns.

A small suggestion: Take a large firearm and go downtown and about your regular business. I bet everyone you bump into will be exceedingly polite. For a while anyway.

The thoughts of the military turning on the populace. It is unconstitutional (Posse Comitatus), so the military would be breaking the law, which, under the UMCJ, they are all singularly liable for court martial for.

auswegian · 11-12-2003, 11:40 PM

I understand the arguments, but I still think that the idea that the average citizen has a right to own deadly weapons is slightly barbarous. The idea that its a god-given right to own firearms is a bit silly.

But I really can't condemn societies who want to live like that, I just wouldn't feel safe there. Increasing the gun supply doesn't change anything about society, it just makes killing easier. If the citizenry can have guns to protect against the depredations of a tyrannical government, then why can't they possess tanks or planes or nuclear weapons either? Surely Big Government (TM) would be less inclined to repeal the Constitution if the Podunk 43rd Militia were training with F-22s and Bradley tanks. I don't see the distinction.

Each to his own, I suppose. Lets just say that the proliferation of guns is one of the many reasons why I would not want to live in the USA, ever. Thank God for countries with draconian gun laws.

Mojo_PeiPei · 11-13-2003, 12:46 AM

Bottom line, bad guy will always be able to get guns, they don't care for guns laws.

2wolves · 11-13-2003, 03:10 AM

A different bottom line is that you don't have to be a bad guy to do violence against the innocent with firearms. The United States is the most heavily policed, on a per capita basis, society ever known and still the love of violence for its own sake increases.

2Wolves

SLM3 · 11-13-2003, 10:47 AM

So, if restricting guns only leads to an increase in violence, how do many of the gun supporters here account for the rediculously high murder rate in the US? If everyone having a gun makes us safer, why isn't the US the safest place in the world?

If guns were harder to come by, how much longer would a criminal be able to pick up a cheap gun on the black maket? Wouldn't fewer guns mean a drastic increase in the price of an illegal firearm? Would your average criminal really be able to obtain one as easily?

As a Canadian who's never seen anyone but a cop with a gun in this country, I'm curious as to what Americans believe is the cause for the seriously high gun homicide rate in the US.

SLM3

Happyland · 11-13-2003, 11:25 AM

becuase, we have laws, and those laws protect our freedom, safety, etc....

Now using the power of law (by the way this is gonna make sense)

VCRs were gonna be made illegal but a federal judge ruled that if a device has one single use which is not illegal the fact that it can be used illegally can not disqualify that device from use

anyway violent crimes have risen in all countries where people could not carry a pistol

*edited by someone calmer*

Peetster · 11-13-2003, 11:33 AM

We are doing well at keeping to the discussion points. Please don't revert to personal attacks.

2wolves · 11-13-2003, 11:52 AM

"VCRs were gonna be made illegal but a federal judge ruled that if a device has one single use which is not illegal the fact that it can be used illegally can not disqualify that device from use "

So Tommy Chong's bong conviction, since a bong can be used for tobacco, should be thrown out. Correct?

2Wolves

Happyland · 11-13-2003, 12:16 PM

yeppers

PS I apoligize for the personal attack, that is the way i talk with my life long friends and i did not realize that it would offend people

SuperMidget · 11-13-2003, 10:46 PM

http://www.libertybelles.org/articles/moms_attack.htm

Sorry, I had to throw this into the mix. Granted it is a very biased piece, it has some majorly scary statistics. Perhaps we should license people to have children before we start licensing people for firearms.

Seaver · 11-15-2003, 12:56 PM

You want to make guns Illegal. Ok..

Look up the crime rates for England after they outlawed guns, its increased greatly (dont have sites atm but they're out there).

You want to live in a place where only criminals have guns?

Yes kids playing around with gun get killed. But my 3 year old cousin was paralized when a box fell from a high shelf. Are you going to outlaw high shelves? Its a horrible tragedy but life is full of dangers.

And what you underestimate about the US Military is they vow allegience to the Consitution. Not a person, if any government head shit on the Constitution the military would NOT follow him. But just in case we as the populace reserve the right to bear arms.

Yeah, I'm pro-gun, I'm from Texas where its legal to walk in to a courthouse with a gun. Its not the gun thats the problem its the person behind it. Cars kill many many more poeple than guns do, outlaw them?

SLM3 · 11-15-2003, 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by Seaver
You want to make guns Illegal. Ok..

Look up the crime rates for England after they outlawed guns, its increased greatly (dont have sites atm but they're out there).

You want to live in a place where only criminals have guns?

Yes kids playing around with gun get killed. But my 3 year old cousin was paralized when a box fell from a high shelf. Are you going to outlaw high shelves? Its a horrible tragedy but life is full of dangers.

And what you underestimate about the US Military is they vow allegience to the Consitution. Not a person, if any government head shit on the Constitution the military would NOT follow him. But just in case we as the populace reserve the right to bear arms.

Yeah, I'm pro-gun, I'm from Texas where its legal to walk in to a courthouse with a gun. Its not the gun thats the problem its the person behind it. Cars kill many many more poeple than guns do, outlaw them?

So why isn't the US the safest place in the world?

SLM3

Loui · 11-15-2003, 03:19 PM

Ever think gun crime in the uk rose after guns were made illegal because of the simple fact that owning a gun is classed as a gun crime?

eple · 11-15-2003, 03:29 PM

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Originally posted by SLM3
So why isn't the US the safest place in the world?

SLM3

The other countries probably has even more guns, they just hide them better. I'll have to admit it: we here in Norway are setting you up. We are all armed to the teeth, that's the secret.

nirol · 11-16-2003, 04:11 PM

Epie,
Who would want to invade Norway?
Granted the women seem to all have big hooters, but it gets too cold there.

thegreek · 11-16-2003, 10:28 PM

its legal because a third of americans are die hard republicans, and they vote in repblican senators and house members... to change an amendment u need about two thirds vote... so they dont have enough

i think this is right...

Dilbert1234567 · 11-18-2003, 12:19 AM

if some one broke into your home what would you shoot them with?

Moskie · 11-18-2003, 01:56 AM

I'd never own a gun myself, but I understand that someone can have a valid, civil desire to own one. So I believe that they do not have to be illegal.

Strictly regulated, though? Absolutely. I think more research and regulation needs to be done, so that every gun and every bullet can be traced to a store and buyer. I remember hearing that it's possible to get an idea about whether a particular bullet was fired by a particular gun, but that is was not an exact science, and could be easily altered with some nailfiling. I think this needs to be changed. Technology needs to be implemented to make things as traceable as possible.

txlovely · 11-18-2003, 04:48 PM

http://www.nrablacklist.com/
This is an interesting link - check out just for kicks. The countries to which I have traveled where the populace does not carry weapons have been infinitely safer. If guns were not so readily available here, perhaps fewer people would have them. I'm no expert, I just choose to distance myself from them whenever possible - difficult to do when you live in a conceal/carry locale. I would like to think that fewer people bearing arms would make our society safer, but it may be too late to find that out. I don't like that whole "guns don't kill people, people kill people" thing - it's a helluva lot easier to pull a trigger than to strangle someone. Again, I don't pretend to have an answer here. I think if our founding fathers were to rewrite the Constitution in this day and age, they may take out that "right to bear arms" stuff. I make a personal choice to not obtain firearms. Don't know if I'm safer or more vulnerable as a result. It's just a choice.

11-04-2003, 08:11 PM	#44 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	For those of you who wonder sometimes if those of us who don't always comment are reading the thread, I thought I'd pop in to say yes, I'm reading the thread. Carry on... __________________ create evolution

11-08-2003, 09:59 PM	#50 (permalink)
almostaugust Junkie Location: Oz	For me its hard to understand why people would want everyone to own a gun. Those statistics about children in the home 50times more likely to be killed by a gun owned by a family member than an intruder, or that more US citizens have been killed by thier own guns than any of the wars this century- to me is pretty telling. Socially the whole thing seems pretty crazy from where i stand. __________________ 'And it's been a long December and there's reason to believe Maybe this year will be better than the last I can't remember all the times I tried to tell my myself To hold on to these moments as they pass'

11-09-2003, 03:48 PM	#58 (permalink)
aceventura3 Junkie Location: Ventura County	Why are gun legal? A better question is why should they be illegal? If you suggest that they might hurt people, I would say a lot of other things. Most gun owners are responsible with their guns, just like most people are responsible with whatever else they have that makes them happy but that could hurt someone. If I like guns and I don't bother you, then whats the problem? __________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch." "It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions on vegetarianism while the wolf is of a different opinion." "If you live among wolves you have to act like one." "A lady screams at the mouse but smiles at the wolf. A gentleman is a wolf who sends flowers."

11-09-2003, 04:50 PM	#60 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	What really pisses me off about anti-gun people is they never grasp this simple truth: Criminals will always have guns, no matter how many laws you throw at them there will always be a black market. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

11-12-2003, 11:40 PM	#63 (permalink)
auswegian Crazy Location: Perth, Australia	I understand the arguments, but I still think that the idea that the average citizen has a right to own deadly weapons is slightly barbarous. The idea that its a god-given right to own firearms is a bit silly. But I really can't condemn societies who want to live like that, I just wouldn't feel safe there. Increasing the gun supply doesn't change anything about society, it just makes killing easier. If the citizenry can have guns to protect against the depredations of a tyrannical government, then why can't they possess tanks or planes or nuclear weapons either? Surely Big Government (TM) would be less inclined to repeal the Constitution if the Podunk 43rd Militia were training with F-22s and Bradley tanks. I don't see the distinction. Each to his own, I suppose. Lets just say that the proliferation of guns is one of the many reasons why I would not want to live in the USA, ever. Thank God for countries with draconian gun laws. __________________ "Look, I'm pretty relaxed for a guy who just lost money on a rave. And who's currently speeding down the highway drunk off my tits. And I'm being chased by someone in a blue Corolla. Woohoo! I just ran a red light!"

11-04-2003, 07:44 PM	#43 (permalink)
Food Eater Lad Banned	Guns are legal cause the Bill of Rights says so.

11-05-2003, 12:27 AM	#47 (permalink)
Astrocloud Apocalypse Nerd	Interesting thread so far... My take on why it's okay for a reason why guns are legal is because it's okay for citizens to be responsible for themselves. I n other words... even though the Citizenry often makes wrong decisions with guns; perhaps it's the one area that people are allowed to make mistakes. Since the majority of gun deaths are by suicide. (Facts from here). -Perhaps people should be allowed to choose their demise -if they choose to do so. Hey I'm not for it but people should have power over their own destiny... and even other peoples too -(to a certain extent). Just let people decide their own destiny for once. Sorry if it's bad but it's their choice.

11-05-2003, 09:42 AM	#49 (permalink)
2wolves Psycho Location: Just outside the D.C. belt	Long term darwinism. Has to be a contributing factor. (not quite jesting) 2Wolves

11-09-2003, 01:05 PM	#56 (permalink)
SuperMidget Banned Location: Farm country, South Dakota	http://www.therighter.com/articles/ I don't know if ths really fits, but it is an interesting article on the psyche of the anti-gun crowd. As for why I believe firearms are legal, because it is a god given right, and the Bill of Rights prevents the government from taking it away. There are many legitimate uses for firearms not the least of which is self-defense. My firearms are used for hunting and, god forbid anyone take it into their head to invade my home, self-defense. Currently I own a shotgun and a mini-14. Gasp, yes one of the dangerous so called assault weapons. Yes, the mini-14 is a military style rifle, but I have yet to find a more reliable and easy to use rifle. In fact it is probably less dangerous than ninety percent of the other rifles available for purchase, but the reliabilty is what I was looking for at the time. Within another six months I plan on adding a handgun to my collection. Why, because it fits a niche i my collection. Would you golf with only a driver and a putter? No, a golfer has a selection of clubs to pick the best one for the shot. Hunters similarly have a need for different weapons for different uses.

11-13-2003, 12:46 AM	#64 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	Bottom line, bad guy will always be able to get guns, they don't care for guns laws. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

11-13-2003, 03:10 AM	#65 (permalink)
2wolves Psycho Location: Just outside the D.C. belt	A different bottom line is that you don't have to be a bad guy to do violence against the innocent with firearms. The United States is the most heavily policed, on a per capita basis, society ever known and still the love of violence for its own sake increases. 2Wolves

11-13-2003, 10:47 AM	#66 (permalink)
SLM3 Insane	So, if restricting guns only leads to an increase in violence, how do many of the gun supporters here account for the rediculously high murder rate in the US? If everyone having a gun makes us safer, why isn't the US the safest place in the world? If guns were harder to come by, how much longer would a criminal be able to pick up a cheap gun on the black maket? Wouldn't fewer guns mean a drastic increase in the price of an illegal firearm? Would your average criminal really be able to obtain one as easily? As a Canadian who's never seen anyone but a cop with a gun in this country, I'm curious as to what Americans believe is the cause for the seriously high gun homicide rate in the US. SLM3

11-13-2003, 11:25 AM	#67 (permalink)
Happyland Insane Location: where happiness lives	becuase, we have laws, and those laws protect our freedom, safety, etc.... Now using the power of law (by the way this is gonna make sense) VCRs were gonna be made illegal but a federal judge ruled that if a device has one single use which is not illegal the fact that it can be used illegally can not disqualify that device from use anyway violent crimes have risen in all countries where people could not carry a pistol edited by someone calmer __________________ someone else here must like Walton & Johnson too Last edited by Peetster; 11-13-2003 at 11:29 AM..

11-13-2003, 11:33 AM	#68 (permalink)
Peetster Right Now Location: Home	We are doing well at keeping to the discussion points. Please don't revert to personal attacks.

11-13-2003, 11:52 AM	#69 (permalink)
2wolves Psycho Location: Just outside the D.C. belt	"VCRs were gonna be made illegal but a federal judge ruled that if a device has one single use which is not illegal the fact that it can be used illegally can not disqualify that device from use " So Tommy Chong's bong conviction, since a bong can be used for tobacco, should be thrown out. Correct? 2Wolves

11-13-2003, 12:16 PM	#70 (permalink)
Happyland Insane Location: where happiness lives	yeppers PS I apoligize for the personal attack, that is the way i talk with my life long friends and i did not realize that it would offend people __________________ someone else here must like Walton & Johnson too Last edited by Happyland; 11-13-2003 at 12:18 PM..

11-13-2003, 10:46 PM	#71 (permalink)
SuperMidget Banned Location: Farm country, South Dakota	http://www.libertybelles.org/articles/moms_attack.htm Sorry, I had to throw this into the mix. Granted it is a very biased piece, it has some majorly scary statistics. Perhaps we should license people to have children before we start licensing people for firearms.

11-15-2003, 12:56 PM	#72 (permalink)
Seaver Junkie Location: Fort Worth, TX	You want to make guns Illegal. Ok.. Look up the crime rates for England after they outlawed guns, its increased greatly (dont have sites atm but they're out there). You want to live in a place where only criminals have guns? Yes kids playing around with gun get killed. But my 3 year old cousin was paralized when a box fell from a high shelf. Are you going to outlaw high shelves? Its a horrible tragedy but life is full of dangers. And what you underestimate about the US Military is they vow allegience to the Consitution. Not a person, if any government head shit on the Constitution the military would NOT follow him. But just in case we as the populace reserve the right to bear arms. Yeah, I'm pro-gun, I'm from Texas where its legal to walk in to a courthouse with a gun. Its not the gun thats the problem its the person behind it. Cars kill many many more poeple than guns do, outlaw them? __________________ "Smite the rocks with the rod of knowledge, and fountains of unstinted wealth will gush forth." - Ashbel Smith as he laid the first cornerstone of the University of Texas

11-15-2003, 03:19 PM	#74 (permalink)
Loui Upright	Ever think gun crime in the uk rose after guns were made illegal because of the simple fact that owning a gun is classed as a gun crime?

11-16-2003, 04:11 PM	#76 (permalink)
nirol Crazy Location: South East US	Epie, Who would want to invade Norway? Granted the women seem to all have big hooters, but it gets too cold there. __________________ 'Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than open one's mouth and remove all doubt. Samuel Johnson (1709 - 1784)

11-16-2003, 10:28 PM	#77 (permalink)
thegreek Banned	its legal because a third of americans are die hard republicans, and they vote in repblican senators and house members... to change an amendment u need about two thirds vote... so they dont have enough i think this is right...

11-18-2003, 12:19 AM	#78 (permalink)
Dilbert1234567 Devils Cabana Boy Location: Central Coast CA	if some one broke into your home what would you shoot them with? __________________ Donate Blood! "Love is not finding the perfect person, but learning to see an imperfect person perfectly." -Sam Keen

11-18-2003, 01:56 AM	#79 (permalink)
Moskie Pure Chewing Satisfaction Location: can i use bbcode [i]here[/i]?	I'd never own a gun myself, but I understand that someone can have a valid, civil desire to own one. So I believe that they do not have to be illegal. Strictly regulated, though? Absolutely. I think more research and regulation needs to be done, so that every gun and every bullet can be traced to a store and buyer. I remember hearing that it's possible to get an idea about whether a particular bullet was fired by a particular gun, but that is was not an exact science, and could be easily altered with some nailfiling. I think this needs to be changed. Technology needs to be implemented to make things as traceable as possible. __________________ Greetings and salutations.

11-18-2003, 04:48 PM	#80 (permalink)
txlovely Insane Location: ...We have a problem.	http://www.nrablacklist.com/ This is an interesting link - check out just for kicks. The countries to which I have traveled where the populace does not carry weapons have been infinitely safer. If guns were not so readily available here, perhaps fewer people would have them. I'm no expert, I just choose to distance myself from them whenever possible - difficult to do when you live in a conceal/carry locale. I would like to think that fewer people bearing arms would make our society safer, but it may be too late to find that out. I don't like that whole "guns don't kill people, people kill people" thing - it's a helluva lot easier to pull a trigger than to strangle someone. Again, I don't pretend to have an answer here. I think if our founding fathers were to rewrite the Constitution in this day and age, they may take out that "right to bear arms" stuff. I make a personal choice to not obtain firearms. Don't know if I'm safer or more vulnerable as a result. It's just a choice. __________________ Cruel words erode self-esteem like the ocean eats away the shore.