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Food Eater Lad · 10-01-2003, 07:45 PM

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/1...4,00050004.htm

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Kuwait foils smuggling of chemicals, bio warheads from Iraq
Associated Press
Kuwait City, October 2

Kuwaiti security authorities have foiled an attempt to smuggle $60 million worth of chemical weapons and biological warheads from Iraq to an unnamed European country, a Kuwaiti newspaper said on Wednesday.
The pro-Government Al-Siyassah, quoting an unnamed security source, said the suspects had been watched by security since they arrived in Kuwait and were arrested "in due time." It did not say when or how the smugglers entered Kuwait or when they were arrested.

The paper said the smugglers might have had accomplices inside Kuwait. It said Interior Minister Sheik Nawwaf Al Ahmed Al Sabah would hand over the smuggled weapons to an FBI agent at a news conference, but did not say when.

Government officials could not be immediately reached for comment.

Iraqi Interior Minister Nouri Al-Badran met on Tuesday with Sheik Nawwaf and discussed cooperation between the two countries in security matters. His visit is the first by an Iraqi interior minister to Kuwait since 1990.

Tophat665 · 10-01-2003, 07:54 PM

Hmmm. Maybe (maybe) they weren't lying. I don't believe it, and it'll be a long time before the tinfoil hat comes off. If ever.

However, I did always know WMDs would be found in Iraq, but I didn't think a) it'd take us this long to plant and "discover" them, and b) I didn't think it would be this involved.

I could be wrong, but I haven't seen anything from this administration that would suggest that there is a depth to which they will not sink.

Further, were they there before the war? It isn't obvious.

Mojo_PeiPei · 10-01-2003, 08:00 PM

Where is this story in regards to the rest of the media?

Superbelt · 10-01-2003, 08:06 PM

If this story is true, (and I will be skeptical because of the ten dozen false alarms), how do we know that it was there before we conquered Iraq?

Iraq has become a breeding ground, and because of it, a black market for terrorists.

Iraq, because we completely disbanded the Iraqi army has an almost completely unguarded, and unwatched border.

It could have come in, traded hands with some fanatics, and they go and try to move it out again to sell to someone else or take back to their base camps in some other country.

Food Eater Lad · 10-01-2003, 08:36 PM

I have doubts too about the veracity of this, but say its true for sake of argument.

Phaenx · 10-01-2003, 08:53 PM

I don't know about that, I'm going to wait for confirmation before poking the liberals here with my stick.

If true, it'll confirm what we already knew but the left in this country still won't leave Bush alone. Most anyhow, O'Reillys been talking about this for the past few days but I've always agreed that this country has shifted from rational debate of political issues to hate mongering in the past few decades.

You've got a few viewpoints and anyone of the other persuasion is an obvious moron who should die. It's not very productive and I'd like to see a little more respect for each other across all party lines.

Nizzle · 10-01-2003, 09:00 PM

This is supposedly an AP wire article; according to Google's news service, it was posted 8 hours ago. (link) Why then has this article not made it anywhere else? I checked on Associated Press's website for some evidence that this is a legitimate article, and could find nothing.

I know this doesn't prove it's not true, but I'm going to remain skeptical until this is substantiated. Right now the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of it being illegitimate. I'm sure someone in Fox News, at the very least, would've ben tipped off if WMD were found 8 hours ago.

If someone can offer substantiation, I will take it more seriously.

rogue49 · 10-01-2003, 09:53 PM

Well, it's early...we'll probably see something on the morning news.
The link is at the top of the Drudge Report, and many reporters now check that since the Lewinsky Scandal

This should be interesting, if true

HarmlessRabbit · 10-01-2003, 11:01 PM

Given that this story is coming from Food Eater Lad, I'm just assuming it's a total lie like his last post until someone else proves differently.

seretogis · 10-02-2003, 12:46 AM

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Originally posted by HarmlessRabbit
Given that this story is coming from Food Eater Lad, I'm just assuming it's a total lie like his last post until someone else proves differently.

Nice weak attempt at a flame.

I doubt that it is an outright lie, since it is linked by Drudge, but the details of the story are as of yet unknown so it could turn out to be a prank or distortion.

2wolves · 10-02-2003, 03:20 AM

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Originally posted by Food Eater Lad
I have doubts too about the veracity of this, but say its true for sake of argument.

Then what's the justification for the snarky subject line?

2Wolves

onetime2 · 10-02-2003, 04:47 AM

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Originally posted by Superbelt
If this story is true, (and I will be skeptical because of the ten dozen false alarms), how do we know that it was there before we conquered Iraq?

Iraq has become a breeding ground, and because of it, a black market for terrorists.

Iraq, because we completely disbanded the Iraqi army has an almost completely unguarded, and unwatched border.

It could have come in, traded hands with some fanatics, and they go and try to move it out again to sell to someone else or take back to their base camps in some other country.

I too have doubts about the story but the idea of smuggling wmds into Iraq is full of holes. First off, if found in Iraq it would give more credence to Bush and his version of things (definitely not what terrorist networks want). Second, why would you smuggle it into an area crawling with tens of thousands of enemy troops looking for just such weapons when there are plenty of other countries in the area that would likely be easier to smuggle into and through.

Just my .02.

Superbelt · 10-02-2003, 05:01 AM

That is just my alternative hypothesis for what happened if it is true. I have nothing to concretely support it and I admit it is just me making shit up. The evidence in its favor though:
-We disbanded the Iraqi army and have left the vast majority of the nation unpatrolled and borders unprotected.
-Saddam didn't use the weapons when he was nearing defeat, doubt he ever had them.
-They haven't been used on our occupying troops by any saddam loyal factions, this is the perfect place to do it.
-We know terrorist groups are being drawn to the country right now, and I think it plausible that some trading would go on between them.

At this point I believe it would have as much validity as anything else. Even though I'll bet dollars to donuts that this just turns out to be another false alarm.

Food Eater Lad · 10-02-2003, 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by HarmlessRabbit
Given that this story is coming from Food Eater Lad, I'm just assuming it's a total lie like his last post until someone else proves differently.

UM what are you talking about?

Nizzle · 10-02-2003, 12:26 PM

I'd like to point out that it has been 24 hours since this article appeared in Hindustan, without making it anywhere reputable (sorry, Mike Drudge).

Next?

eple · 10-02-2003, 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by Food Eater Lad
UM what are you talking about?

I think he's saying that you are full of bs dooder.

chavos · 10-02-2003, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nizzle
I'd like to point out that it has been 24 hours since this article appeared in Hindustan, without making it anywhere reputable (sorry, Mike Drudge).

exactly...

HarmlessRabbit · 10-02-2003, 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by Food Eater Lad
UM what are you talking about?

You know, the post where you omitted the half of the story that was negative and then pretended nothing happened?

So, are you going to do the honorable thing and delete this post?

Food Eater Lad · 10-02-2003, 05:54 PM

What are you talking about?

Lebell · 10-02-2003, 06:10 PM

He doesn't need to delete it; but it does appear to be false.

Phaenx · 10-02-2003, 07:29 PM

I heard something about it on the news earlier this afternoon, something about a Kuwaiti official saying something about it, I didn't catch the full story.

Ace_of_Lobster · 10-03-2003, 06:46 AM

Wooo Hindustan Times!!

prb · 10-03-2003, 06:51 AM

I'll bet the story is wrong. More likely that chemical/biological weapons were being smuggled INTO Iraq from Kuwait. GWB will see to it before October 2004 that WMD are found in Iraq. Either that or we will begin war on North Korea.

Nizzle · 10-03-2003, 10:37 AM

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Originally posted by prb
I'll bet the story is wrong. More likely that chemical/biological weapons were being smuggled INTO Iraq from Kuwait. GWB will see to it before October 2004 that WMD are found in Iraq. Either that or we will begin war on North Korea.

More likely he will sign a couple smoke and mirror bills, ostensibly to help our rapidly deteriorating economy, and launch into a no-holds-barred smear and propaganda campaign the likes of which the United States has never befor experienced.

I think he's really pushing the envelope now. No one but the hard-righters (who would support him if he started killing babies) are free of doubts about the direction he is leading us.

Arc101 · 10-03-2003, 11:21 AM

Hmm if this story was true Bush / Blaire would be jumping up and down shouting "I told you so". As they are still saying trust us we will find some weapons honest guv, I guess the story is bollocks.

hobo · 10-07-2003, 06:30 PM

I saw this a while ago and only from the source you linked. From what I can tell, that never happened because if it did, you can bet that the WhiteHouse or Pentagon would have made a big deal about it on the news to rally support. The fact that they haven't spoken of this suggests that it is not credible.

tekaweni · 10-08-2003, 03:58 AM

Nah, cant be true. If it were it would have been all over the front page of CNN, BBC and everywhere else.

10-01-2003, 07:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
Food Eater Lad Banned	Rationalise this, liberals. http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/1...4,00050004.htm quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kuwait foils smuggling of chemicals, bio warheads from Iraq Associated Press Kuwait City, October 2 Kuwaiti security authorities have foiled an attempt to smuggle $60 million worth of chemical weapons and biological warheads from Iraq to an unnamed European country, a Kuwaiti newspaper said on Wednesday. The pro-Government Al-Siyassah, quoting an unnamed security source, said the suspects had been watched by security since they arrived in Kuwait and were arrested "in due time." It did not say when or how the smugglers entered Kuwait or when they were arrested. The paper said the smugglers might have had accomplices inside Kuwait. It said Interior Minister Sheik Nawwaf Al Ahmed Al Sabah would hand over the smuggled weapons to an FBI agent at a news conference, but did not say when. Government officials could not be immediately reached for comment. Iraqi Interior Minister Nouri Al-Badran met on Tuesday with Sheik Nawwaf and discussed cooperation between the two countries in security matters. His visit is the first by an Iraqi interior minister to Kuwait since 1990.

10-01-2003, 07:54 PM	#2 (permalink)
Tophat665 Minion of the scaléd ones Location: Northeast Jesusland	Hmmm. Maybe (maybe) they weren't lying. I don't believe it, and it'll be a long time before the tinfoil hat comes off. If ever. However, I did always know WMDs would be found in Iraq, but I didn't think a) it'd take us this long to plant and "discover" them, and b) I didn't think it would be this involved. I could be wrong, but I haven't seen anything from this administration that would suggest that there is a depth to which they will not sink. Further, were they there before the war? It isn't obvious. __________________ Light a man a fire, and he will be warm while it burns. Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life.

10-01-2003, 08:00 PM	#3 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	Where is this story in regards to the rest of the media? __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

10-01-2003, 08:06 PM	#4 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	If this story is true, (and I will be skeptical because of the ten dozen false alarms), how do we know that it was there before we conquered Iraq? Iraq has become a breeding ground, and because of it, a black market for terrorists. Iraq, because we completely disbanded the Iraqi army has an almost completely unguarded, and unwatched border. It could have come in, traded hands with some fanatics, and they go and try to move it out again to sell to someone else or take back to their base camps in some other country. Last edited by Superbelt; 10-01-2003 at 08:37 PM..

10-01-2003, 08:53 PM	#6 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	I don't know about that, I'm going to wait for confirmation before poking the liberals here with my stick. If true, it'll confirm what we already knew but the left in this country still won't leave Bush alone. Most anyhow, O'Reillys been talking about this for the past few days but I've always agreed that this country has shifted from rational debate of political issues to hate mongering in the past few decades. You've got a few viewpoints and anyone of the other persuasion is an obvious moron who should die. It's not very productive and I'd like to see a little more respect for each other across all party lines. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

10-01-2003, 08:36 PM	#5 (permalink)
Food Eater Lad Banned	I have doubts too about the veracity of this, but say its true for sake of argument.

10-01-2003, 09:00 PM	#7 (permalink)
Nizzle God-Hating Liberal Location: Silicon Valley, CA	This is supposedly an AP wire article; according to Google's news service, it was posted 8 hours ago. (link) Why then has this article not made it anywhere else? I checked on Associated Press's website for some evidence that this is a legitimate article, and could find nothing. I know this doesn't prove it's not true, but I'm going to remain skeptical until this is substantiated. Right now the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of it being illegitimate. I'm sure someone in Fox News, at the very least, would've ben tipped off if WMD were found 8 hours ago. If someone can offer substantiation, I will take it more seriously. __________________ Nizzle

10-01-2003, 09:53 PM	#8 (permalink)
rogue49 Loser	Well, it's early...we'll probably see something on the morning news. The link is at the top of the Drudge Report, and many reporters now check that since the Lewinsky Scandal This should be interesting, if true

10-01-2003, 11:01 PM	#9 (permalink)
HarmlessRabbit Junkie Location: San Jose, CA	Given that this story is coming from Food Eater Lad, I'm just assuming it's a total lie like his last post until someone else proves differently.

10-02-2003, 05:01 AM	#13 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	That is just my alternative hypothesis for what happened if it is true. I have nothing to concretely support it and I admit it is just me making shit up. The evidence in its favor though: -We disbanded the Iraqi army and have left the vast majority of the nation unpatrolled and borders unprotected. -Saddam didn't use the weapons when he was nearing defeat, doubt he ever had them. -They haven't been used on our occupying troops by any saddam loyal factions, this is the perfect place to do it. -We know terrorist groups are being drawn to the country right now, and I think it plausible that some trading would go on between them. At this point I believe it would have as much validity as anything else. Even though I'll bet dollars to donuts that this just turns out to be another false alarm.

10-02-2003, 12:26 PM	#15 (permalink)
Nizzle God-Hating Liberal Location: Silicon Valley, CA	I'd like to point out that it has been 24 hours since this article appeared in Hindustan, without making it anywhere reputable (sorry, Mike Drudge). Next? __________________ Nizzle

10-02-2003, 05:54 PM	#19 (permalink)
Food Eater Lad Banned	What are you talking about?

10-02-2003, 06:10 PM	#20 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	He doesn't need to delete it; but it does appear to be false. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

10-02-2003, 07:29 PM	#21 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	I heard something about it on the news earlier this afternoon, something about a Kuwaiti official saying something about it, I didn't catch the full story. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

10-03-2003, 06:46 AM	#22 (permalink)
Ace_of_Lobster Crazy	Wooo Hindustan Times!! __________________ "Hundreds of men must have told you how beautiful you are. Would you displease the gods to hear it once more? I wouldn't. Im young and I hope to see a god before I die." -Patera Silk

10-03-2003, 06:51 AM	#23 (permalink)
prb Psycho	I'll bet the story is wrong. More likely that chemical/biological weapons were being smuggled INTO Iraq from Kuwait. GWB will see to it before October 2004 that WMD are found in Iraq. Either that or we will begin war on North Korea.

10-03-2003, 11:21 AM	#25 (permalink)
Arc101 Addict Location: Nottingham, England	Hmm if this story was true Bush / Blaire would be jumping up and down shouting "I told you so". As they are still saying trust us we will find some weapons honest guv, I guess the story is bollocks.

10-07-2003, 06:30 PM	#26 (permalink)
hobo Archangel of Change	I saw this a while ago and only from the source you linked. From what I can tell, that never happened because if it did, you can bet that the WhiteHouse or Pentagon would have made a big deal about it on the news to rally support. The fact that they haven't spoken of this suggests that it is not credible.

10-08-2003, 03:58 AM	#27 (permalink)
tekaweni It wasnt me Location: Scotland	Nah, cant be true. If it were it would have been all over the front page of CNN, BBC and everywhere else. __________________ If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always gotten