Mojo_PeiPei

I was wondering what people here think about her. Also I was watching Hardball with Chris Matthews and his guests brought up some very interesting ideas. Basically Hillary and Bill's backing of Clark is a move to get her presidency bid moving, They were saying that Bush would have a harder time beating Dean in 04', and if for some reason Dean were to take the election that would push Hillary's chance to join the race back to 2012. It makes sense. I would cry if she ever got into office.

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The_Dude

another thread on this by Phaenx.

slightly different though.

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MuadDib

Its been said before and even spiffed by SNL... Chris Mattews has a hard on for the Clintons! Hillary is a great politician with a lot of weight for the democrats and who has a lot of great ideas and policies. Its very unforunate that people judge her by her husband and more unfortunate that the people who critique her the most tend to know the least about her politics.

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Mojo_PeiPei

Thats your take, I don't like her because she is one of many quasi-Liberal facists and she is extremely power hungry.

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sexymama

She is very aggresive and very intelligent. She goes after what she wants and is willing to "play the game" to get it. Personally I like what she stand for, even if I don't always agree with her tactics.

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sixate

Can you please explain what it is she stands for because I've never been able to figure out what she stands for. If she was half as intelligent as people think she wouldn't need a man to get what she wanted..... Also, she wouldn't stay with a man who has cheated on her on more than one occasion if she was intelligent. I have zero respect for women like her because she obviously doesn't respect herself.

onetime2

Personally, I don't like her. Both she and her husband have no respect for the voters (as evidenced by the blatant lies told by each) and I think they are more interested in their own status than they are in the ideals which they tout (whatever happened to that healthcare reform?).

I think she is more out of touch with "real" people than her husband and isn't nearly as personable or communicative. That said, I don't think she'll be able to pull off a run for the White House.

That doesn't mean she isn't going to try. I still believe there is a chance that she will throw her hat into the next Presidential race after the current field narrows a bit and the candidates have beaten each other up.

Both she, her husband, and their political team have accomplished incredible things in the realm of politics. Bill was not considered a "real" candidate even by his own party when he began his Presidential campaign against Bush Sr. Most of the Democrats with designs on the White House believed Bush to be unbeatable and were willing to hold off till the next election. Bill and his political machine created a message that the public bought and the Bush admin's ability to answer their charges was severely lacking. The current Bush admin is not the same. They've learned from that experience and it will be very difficult for the Dems to dislodge them.

Yeah yeah, I know, Hillary has said she is going to last out the term as NY Senator. Yada yada yada. Bill said the same thing as governor of Arkansas. The strategy used in the NJ Senate race a year or two ago (where Robert Toricelli ran up until election day was virtually upon us and a new candidate was thrown into the mix--Lautenberg-) is one that will be used again. Whether it happens in this election or another upcoming one, it was successful and I'm sure there are political consultants looking to use it again.

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mystmarimatt

Liberal Fascist is an oxymoron. Fascism is generally considered a form of extreme conservatism. hehe, sorry, had to point that out, i know i'm an ass.

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krd913

If she would by some chance win we might as well just start siging or paychecks over because she will tax us to death

Mojo_PeiPei

Fascism:
-A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
-A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
-Oppressive, dictatorial control

Might be associated with extreme conservatism, but doesn't mean that it can't apply to people like Hillary.

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MuadDib

Liberal:
-Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
-Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
-Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
-Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.

Can't really be free of authoritarian attitude and free from bigotry and still meet your fascist criteria. Nor can you be open to reform and progress and support such rule. Liberalism doesn't exactly equate to socioeconomic control either.

Point being that by definition one can not be both liberal and fascist, however in context of American society the definitions of both liberal and fascist aren't quite so clear cut in common usage.

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rogue49

That is EXACTLY what I said in another thread,
just two days ago.

Mojo_PeiPei

Yeah hehe I was informed about that two minutes after I started, my apologies.

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Phaenx

She's a politician, and one of the bad kind to boot (which also seems to be the majority). These include liars, poll whores, slanderers and subjective spin docters.

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Xell101

Based on what she consistantly stands for I'd have to say she is socialist, everything else either ties into that or is based on what works best for the situation.

Dibbler

I used to think Bill was the anti-christ but recently I'm starting to believe that he's just a pawn and Hillarys the real one. It's a really scary thought that someday she COULD hold the power to destroy the world with a push of a button during one of her "heavy flow" days.

It's amazing to me that a junior senator gets so much air time on the major networks. I wish they'd just ignore her...

hiredgun

.... sounds more like Bush than H. Clinton to me.

123dsa

Worng. Another term for facism is National Socialism (read Nazism) and I think we all know which side of the political spectrum is closer to socialism. Not that I agree with the idea that Hillary is a facist, but I thought you should understand that words do actually have meaning.

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JBX

I had a problem with her carpet bagging into NYS and becoming my Senator. She will never understand that she wasn't the President, she was just married to him.

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Fallon

This right here is why I personnally don't think a female will get office anytime soon. Because to many people seem to think this.

Cynthetiq

i made sure that i was a registered NY voter and knew where to vote in order to make sure that I was able to NOT VOTE for her...

sixate we are in 100% agreement on this one...

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Dibbler

I don't consider myself a sexist. I could see myself voting for a woman for president. I just can't see voting for an insincere bitch like Hillary. She just plain scares me.

geep

I'm not really seeing where these two definitions might be mutually exclusive, perhaps someone can advise me otherwise

Bigot: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices

Left or Right

authoritarian: of, relating to, or favoring a concentration of power in a leader or an elite not constitutionally responsible to the people

Again, Left or Right

If you believe that people on the left don't promote socioeconomic control, you haven't looked at your paycheck or seen the lineup at the bank on the 1st day of the month.

Yes, Hillary could very easily be considered a fascist, don't get hung up political jargon.

JcL

I don't much like her.

There were some questionable happenings in the Clinton white house that she has been alleged to be a part of. Not talking about the stupid monica affair, but whitewater etc.

As well, I think her Senate bid was a bit lame. It appeared to me that she "shopped around" for a state as opposed to represent one that she actually cared for.

I don't really know much about her politics - well, about her actual take on issues, doesn't really effect me out in CA. As a person though, from a distance, she isn't all that appealing to me personally. I dunno, she strikes me as... 'fake' perhaps is the best word.

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Oblivion437

The geep is right. Sorting the jargon, there is such a thing as 'liberal fascism' but Hillary could be called a Pseudo-Progressivist Fascismo. Such is life. If that ignorant pile of bullshit didn't stand behind the AW Ban of 1994, and subsequent bans and other things in NYS since, I might have a smidgen of respect for her...

reconmike

If she was ever to win, maybe she would bring back the Lincoln china they stole.

I think she looked for the most liberal democratic state she could find, and run for the senate seat knowing she could not lose.

She scares the shit out of me, let us talk about evil now, huh?

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