The_Dude

I thought Dean did really awesome. I liked almost everything that came out of my mouth.

I also felt sorry when somebody started screaming when poor Lieberman said something.

Al Sharpton also kicked ass! (I now think that he's a lot smarter than I earlier though).

My favorite part was something that Joe Lieberman said.

Lieberman to Al Sharpton : "Amen, Brotha"

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mml

I missed the debate, but I saw a clip of the "Amen, Brotha" line and it killed me. Sharpton has no business running for President, but anytime you get to hear him it is a kick.

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sixate

Do people actually watch these circle jerks?
I also include the Republican debates.
Dems bash Republicans and vice versa. No thanks! I have more important things to do.

Johnny Rotten

I think the next president should be a really smart, independent computer. No ideological agendas or constituent pandering. Put it up on the Moon where no one can get at it.

A damn sight cheaper than going to war again.

boatin

Amen, brotha

chavos

yeah, it must really suck to try to responsibly choose between canidates when voting in primaries!

since when was apathy cool?

Food Eater Lad

I watched it, and I have to say that if these nine clowns were in Tilted Forum, they would be banned for flamming. THey had nothing positive to say, only ad hominem attacks on Bush.

smooth

lol, The_Dude's identity unveiled!

I thought Dean's position on Israel was very balsy. It will be interesting to see how that plays out among the voters.

Did anyone catch what happened during that exchange between him and Lieberman? After Lieberman started to chastise his policy I heard some audience boos. Were they booing Dean's position or Lieberman's accusation after Dean's rebuttal?

Superbelt

Yeah well that's the nature of opposition party primaries. You have to define yourself against the incumbent.

And I don't think it could really be defined as ad hominem attacks. Some were but mostly they attacked his policies and they all did offer their own alternatives.

The_Dude

I really like Dean's approach on the mideast crisis - to be a neutral negotiating force.

And of course, Lieberman disagreed with it and got shut out by Dean

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MuadDib

Dean kept with his standard operating procedure of dodging questions and telling lies. As much as I despise Lieberman and his republicrat history, he was absolutely correct that Bill Clinton did not support the Middle East policies he was touting. He refused to give any answer on the current issues in Iraq. He said he won't withdraw troops, but he wouldn't say if he would send more despite the fact that he has been continually critical of current administration for not having a plan. Two people shined tonight and they were Al Sharpton and Dennis Kucinich. Sharpton for taking charge of audience and that showed leadership and Kucinich because he gave straight answers and because he was the only one with the cajones to say no to $87 billion more dollars, no to Iraq (with a plan), and yes to universal health care.

Sparhawk

Someone's been reading Robert Heinlein...

Thraeryn

I don't have a television, so I can't watch these things.

I still think you should vote Libertarian.

JBX

Bu,ah.ha,ha. You saw a debate there? I saw a Bush Bashing with no answers to the questions asked.

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Did anyone find it ironic that Sharpton, possibly the biggest wind-bag and shit stirrer, behind Jesse of course, chastised the protesters for voicing their opinion?

The_Dude

lol, it's sharpton for god's sakes!

he was up there talking like he was preaching in church.

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dylanmarsh

Granted, most politicians come from old money and are usually bored rich boys, but has anyone seen how closely related Dubya's and Dean's backgrounds are? Dean, whose grandfather was one of the fonders of Dean Witter Financial, and Bush also have many family ties. The most interesting of which is that Dean's grandmother was a brides maid at one of Bush's grandmother's wedding.

If Al Sharpton wasn't so crazy and non-white I would probably vote for him. But that seems to be the Nader vote of this election. I still like John Kerry but even he comes from a pampered background; he is related to the Forbes family.

mml

I got to see the replay of the debate and no one really set themselves too far apart from the pack. With nine of them up there, no one really gets enough time to say anything truly impactful or informative. But IMO :

Ambassador Mosely-Braun - well meaning, nice ideas, not a good speaker and no chance of winning.

Reverend Sharpton - entertaining but has no business running and no chance of winning(can you imagine our President using the work AX instead of ask? - I realize this is petty, but shoot me I can't stand it when Bush batters our language either)

Senator Edwards - smart, well spoken, earnest, but is having trouble connecting with people. I don't think he really has a chance, but he may resurface in the future and depending on the nominee, might make a decent V.P.

Governor Dean - Keeping to his standard themes - connected well with the crowd of mostly anti-war, anti-Bush dems. Has stong potential to take the Democratic Primaries but may have problems in the general election

Senator Lieberman - thoughtful, well meaning, but coming across very flat. He is a true centrist, and that doesn't usually play well in the Democratic Primary, but it does play well in the general election.

Senator Kerry - always does fairly well, but that debate was not his best. I have seen him on a number of cable news shows and he has done much, much better. He may be the most capable of defeating Bush.

Congressman Kucinich - passionate, informed, but not a great deal of charisma. A true long shot.

Senator Graham - probably the most experienced and complete candidate, haveing been both a Governor and a Senator, but he always seems a bit goofy to me (not a great description I know). His campaign really isn't setting off any sparks, but has a shot at the V.P. spot because he comes from Florida.

Congressman Gephardt - intelligent, experienced and well meaning, probably the best connected candidate running. His campaign seems VERY flat and when he gets too worked up, it doesn't really work as well as it does for Dean. He is the insider's candidate, so I won't count him out, but I don't think so.

Those missing: Al Gore(may still run and will get the nomination if he does). Hillary Clinton(should not run, but may if she thinks the Democrats are going to take it, thus ending her chance to run in 2008). General Clark(would be a great president, but the more he waits and hems and haws the less likely he will be to get the nomination and the more his grassroots supporters will fade away.)


And a question to Sixate - While I agree with you that the debates may not be the best way to learn about the candidates, it is one additional way to learn bits and pieces about them, what means do you use to learn about those who are running for office?

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inkriminator

non-white??
What exactly did you mean by that. (I just thought you should explain yourself before people get mistaken impressions by what was clearly just an ill-chosen phrase.)

eple

wtf

Stare At The Sun

he hates crakers, aint hard to understand..