Bush approval numbers reach new low - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

HarmlessRabbit · 09-07-2003, 07:55 AM

A chart that I couldn't paste in is located at the linked story.

gg Bush!

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=732

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Released: September 06, 2003

Bush Numbers Hit New Low; Dean Tops List of Democratic Presidential Contenders, New Zogby America Poll Reveals

President George W. Bush’s job performance ratings have reached the lowest point since his pre-Inauguration days, continuing a steady decline since a post-9/11 peak, according to a new Zogby America poll of 1,013 likely voters conducted September 3-5.

Less than half (45%) of the respondents said they rated his job performance good or excellent, while a majority (54%) said it was fair or poor. In August Zogby International polling, his rating was 52% positive, 48% negative. Today’s results mark the first time a majority of likely voters have given the president an unfavorable job performance rating since he took office.

A majority (52%) said it’s time for someone new in the White House, while just two in five (40%) said the president deserves to be re-elected. Last month, 45% said re-election was in order, and 48% said it was time for someone new.

A like number (52%) said the country is heading in the wrong direction, while 40% said it is the right direction.

Overall opinion of President Bush has also slipped to 54% favorable – 45% unfavorable, compared to August polling which indicated 58% favorable, 40% unfavorable.

Just two in five (40%) said they would choose Bush if the election were held today, while 47% said they would elect a Democratic candidate. In August polling, respondents were split (43% each) over President Bush or any Democratic challenger.

In the same poll, likely Democratic primary voters give a plurality of their support to former Vermont Governor Dr. Howard Dean (16%), whose campaign has been gathering support in recent polling. He is followed by Massachusetts Senator John Kerry (13%), Connecticut Senator Joseph Lieberman (12%), and Missouri Congressman Richard Gephardt (8%). No other candidate polled more than 3%.

Nearly two-thirds (63%) of the likely Democratic primary voters said it is somewhat or very likely that President Bush will be re-elected in November 2004, regardless of how they intend to vote.

The Zogby America poll involved 1,013 likely voters selected randomly from throughout the 48 contiguous states using listed residential telephone numbers. Polling was conducted from Zogby International’s Call Center in Utica, NY. The poll has a margin of sampling error of +/- 3.2%. The Democratic candidates’ portion of the poll involved 507 respondents, and has a margin of error of +/- 4.5%.

Nimbletoe · 09-07-2003, 08:48 AM

I hope this isn't a shock to anyone. Robin Williams put it best, "Some achieve greatness, some are born great, others get it as a graduation gift."

The_Dude · 09-07-2003, 08:56 AM

Now they're gonna start talking about another country who is an "imminent threat" to us.

Nimbletoe · 09-07-2003, 09:02 AM

Approval ratings are low? Shit, time to start another war.

Sun Tzu · 09-07-2003, 09:14 AM

Sometimes I question polls; especailly if I dont know who's conducting the poll. I tried to do a little research on Zogby International. I assumed it was a Democratic funded in some way. Not infering that's a bad thing, but polling would seem to have more crediability if given from a neutral proctor (if there is such a thing)

From what I see Zogby has a fairly wide and diverse client base. Does anyone know anything more of them?

maximusveritas · 09-07-2003, 09:15 AM

More people say we need someone new in office than think President Bush deserves re-election.

So why is it that the pundits keep saying that Bush is unbeatable?
As the article says, even 63% of Democrats have been brainwashed into believing Bush will surely be re-elected.
What's that about the liberal media?

chavos · 09-07-2003, 10:04 AM

bush is going down...from the moment he was elected, i never gave up hope that we would be done with this debacle in four years. the democratic feild needs to narrow quickly...but once that's done, i think there is a really strong opportunity to take the mutha down.

Mojo_PeiPei · 09-07-2003, 10:25 AM

Approval ratings mean dick. Bush Sr. got elected out of office with a 92% approval rating.

HarmlessRabbit · 09-07-2003, 10:30 AM

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Approval ratings mean dick. Bush Sr. got elected out of office with a 92% approval rating.

You're completely wrong Mojo. It took me 10 seconds on google to fact-check you. I assume you're just trolling, please go troll some other thread.

Bush Sr. had an approval rating of 92% directly after the gulf war, but that had plummeted to well under 50% by the time he lost the election. It's telling to read the account here:

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stori...ew/954/1/.html

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Mr Bush Sr won the first Gulf War against Iraq in 1991, emerging with an approval rating of 91 per cent — but with the economy still in the recession that had begun before the war.

A few months later, that approval rating halved as the economic situation worsened.

He lost the US election to Mr Bill Clinton in 1992 after having ignored voters’ concerns over domestic issues such as unemployment, which was at six per cent at the time.

His defeat was famously encapsulated in the phrase: “It’s the economy, stupid”, hung on a sign in Mr Clinton’s campaign office by his political strategist, Mr James Carville, as a reminder of the election focus.

His father’s loss has been a constant worry for Mr Bush, whose own approval rating has slipped from 71 per cent after the war in April to 53 per cent. To be fair, he has been trying to address the economy and, in May, declared US$330 billion ($575 billion) of tax cuts over 10 years in the hope of creating more jobs.

seretogis · 09-07-2003, 11:56 AM

I don't see how Bush's approval rating could ever get that low if Republicans truly controlled the media.

Just a thought!

Nimbletoe · 09-07-2003, 12:11 PM

No thoughts allowed, this is politics!

Nimbletoe · 09-07-2003, 12:18 PM

Just kidding by the way.

HarmlessRabbit · 09-07-2003, 12:29 PM

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I don't see how Bush's approval rating could ever get that low if Republicans truly controlled the media.

I know you're just kidding, Seretogis, but this is kind of a straw man. The conservatives have been the ones claiming that the media is controlled by the liberals, I haven't ever heard anyone seriously argue the opposite. Even Franken in his new book paints a very mixed picture on the media, although he has some serious reservations about media consolidation.

I don't think even http://www.takebackthemedia.com/ claims that the conservatives control all the media.

Anyway, I'm sure I'm taking your joke too literally.

seretogis · 09-07-2003, 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by HarmlessRabbit
I know you're just kidding, Seretogis, but this is kind of a straw man. The conservatives have been the ones claiming that the media is controlled by the liberals, I haven't ever heard anyone seriously argue the opposite. Even Franken in his new book paints a very mixed picture on the media, although he has some serious reservations about media consolidation.

I don't think even http://www.takebackthemedia.com/ claims that the conservatives control all the media.

Anyway, I'm sure I'm taking your joke too literally.

It was just a playful poke at people who think that 80% of talk radio programs + a cable news channel = complete control of the media by conservatives. No need to take it seriously.

rogue49 · 09-07-2003, 03:38 PM

I'm not going to worry about anything until we get much closer to the time to vote.

That's the only time that these polls will accurately reflect opinion.

bish · 09-09-2003, 07:19 AM

Reagan had a lower approval rating than that and still got elected to a second term. I'm not too worried.

Superbelt · 09-09-2003, 08:08 AM

Current polls from a wide variety of pollsters

http://www.pollingreport.com/bush.htm

Get the Bush approval/disapprove ratings easily from here:

http://www.dailykos.com/

The approve/disapprove are on the right side.
Hit Page Down twice and you will see them start with the heading

BUSH JOB RATINGS

mml · 09-09-2003, 05:33 PM

Let's be honest, it is still too early to tell what will happen. A great deal will depend on who the Dems. nominate. Bush, much like his father, has an amazing ability to piss away high approval ratings and even though his numbers are higher than both Reagan and Clinton at this time in their terms, he is not nearly the candidate they were.(this is a polical observation, not refering to his ability to govern) Bush has(IMO) about a 50-50 chance of being reelected right now, about the same as he had in the last election. It will most likely be very close unless the Iraq situation clears up, the economy booms back or the Dems nominate an ineffectual candidate.

Johnny Rotten · 09-09-2003, 09:19 PM

I don't see how any prez could be popular right now, with the economy still struggling and people getting fired by the thousands as jobs move to India and don't look like they're coming back any time soon. Then there's this continual struggle with Iraq and people still talking about why we went there in the first place since there seems to be little connection between them and al Qaeda and no evidence of WMD. People want a return to better times, and the most recent better times had a Democrat steering the ship. I think thousands of people will "anti-vote" for a Democrat come election time, unless the economy really starts picking up.

JcL · 09-09-2003, 09:31 PM

Its really going to have to depend on the Dems nomination I think as well. Many fear that if Dean is elected he will scare away many moderate democrats/swing independents etc. This does seem like a problem to me, and I'm hoping that Dean doesn't get the vote. Right now hes riding on a wave of support from far lefties who absolutely despise Bush and love Deans rhetoric against him. But come the real thing, such a position won't be holding much water I think.

I heard some poll that a disturbing 70% or so of Americans believe Saddam had connections directly with 9/11. Theres no evidence of this of course, and I don't *think*Bush has made any "misleading" statements over this. This still seems to lend quite a bit of support to Iraq...

Economy should be the front and center issue. It is improving, but job improvement suffers time lag so it might not be enough for those voting from their pocketbooks.

I'd give Bush a higher chance then 50/50 still, but its definitely not a sure thing like I think it was just 6 months ago.

Hard8s · 09-09-2003, 10:12 PM

Gee I wonder why his aproval ratings have dropped.....hmmm....
Could it be that he had a surplus in the budget when he got into office and now we have a gaping defict?

Or could it be the fact that he lied to the american people to get us into Iraq? He said the Iraqi oil would pay for the rebuild, now we are shelling out the dough again. He said we were in immenent danger of Hussein, we still have not found any WMD.

Or could it be that he has no clue what he is doing in office?

As for the first part, out here in California we have a governor who has the same problem, and he's in the middle of a recall!!!

Sparhawk · 09-10-2003, 05:07 AM

Maybe the american people are starting to wake up to the fact that the president has pissed away 2 Trillion of their hard-earned dollars.

yournamehere · 09-10-2003, 06:39 PM

In my house, his numbers have held their own.

0% approval then; 0% approval now.

maximusveritas · 09-12-2003, 05:40 AM

Here's a great graph of the President's approval ratings. As you can see, other than the peaks after 9-11 and the war in Iraq, the President's numbers have consistently gone done almost every time. The reason: he's done almost nothing positive while in office. So he's going to try to exploit the deaths of those on 9-11 and in Iraq to try and win re-election. I hope we don't let him get away with this.

Superbelt · 09-12-2003, 05:47 AM

New Gallup Poll is out and the numbers are similar.

52% approval for Bush

46% reelect (compared to a 43% for an nunamed democrat.)

JBX · 09-12-2003, 06:06 AM

It's all too early to see where this is leading. If GWB's job performance ratings are the same or lower in the summer of 2004, he has trouble ahead.

onetime2 · 09-12-2003, 07:30 AM

I have never thought that GWB was unbeatable in the next election. Polls are polls, everyone has one and they all can say vastly different things. This far from election, undefined opposition, economic limbo, Democratic strategy, etc are all big question marks so no poll done now will have any predictive value.

Time will tell.

inkriminator · 09-13-2003, 01:12 AM

Many people have brought in the issue about polls being able to predict how the presidential elections would go. I think that it's interesting to remember that the inspiration for the "terror market" has a much better record for predicting election results than any pollls.

just interesting to note.

Since 1988, the Iowa Election Markets (IEM), conducted by the University of Iowa, has consistently bested pollsters when it comes to predicting presidential-election results

Jesus Pimp · 09-13-2003, 04:46 AM

Bush is such a lousy president. I can't understand how anyone could like him, conservative or not.

mr sticky · 09-13-2003, 05:49 AM

With the election race starting, most people view this approval as a comparison with a "phantom" opponent. With the dems not coming out strong with a clear, alternative message, the race is still greatly in W's favor.

eris · 09-13-2003, 06:46 AM

The child president doesn't deserve the 45% approval he's getting today. Frickin clown...

samremy · 09-13-2003, 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by chavos
bush is going down...from the moment he was elected, i never gave up hope that we would be done with this debacle in four years. the democratic feild needs to narrow quickly...but once that's done, i think there is a really strong opportunity to take the mutha down.

Elected? Don't you mean appointed to the office by the US Supreme Court?

SkanK0r · 09-14-2003, 08:14 PM

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Originally posted by Nimbletoe
Approval ratings are low? Shit, time to start another war.

Shit, it's Karl Rove! Run for cover, brown people!

Superbelt · 09-16-2003, 03:51 AM

I think THIS is the most telling poll that came out to date.

http://www.emergingdemocraticmajorit...t6_26_2003.cfm

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reports that a poll for the House GOP Conference gives Bush favorable/unfavorable ratings of 49/46.

If his own republican party doesn't support him anymore....

Jesus Pimp · 09-16-2003, 04:14 AM

Maybe people are finally waking up?

ARTelevision · 09-24-2003, 03:49 PM

It's easy to criticize.
He's steering the world through trouble.
Popularity is popularity. It's not worth a whole lot.
When citizens actually vote, they tend to weigh realities.

I don't see a lot of serious thought in this thread.
I see some but not a lot.

09-07-2003, 08:56 AM	#3 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	Now they're gonna start talking about another country who is an "imminent threat" to us. __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

09-07-2003, 09:14 AM	#5 (permalink)
Sun Tzu Conspiracy Realist Location: The Event Horizon	Sometimes I question polls; especailly if I dont know who's conducting the poll. I tried to do a little research on Zogby International. I assumed it was a Democratic funded in some way. Not infering that's a bad thing, but polling would seem to have more crediability if given from a neutral proctor (if there is such a thing) From what I see Zogby has a fairly wide and diverse client base. Does anyone know anything more of them? __________________ *To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit.- Stephen Hawking*

09-07-2003, 10:25 AM	#8 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	Approval ratings mean dick. Bush Sr. got elected out of office with a 92% approval rating. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

09-07-2003, 11:56 AM	#10 (permalink)
seretogis Huggles, sir? Location: Seattle	I don't see how Bush's approval rating could ever get that low if Republicans truly controlled the media. Just a thought! __________________ seretogis - sieg heil perfect little dream the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels well almost no one to blame always the same, open my eyes wake up in flames

09-07-2003, 12:11 PM	#11 (permalink)
Nimbletoe Junkie Location: Michigan	No thoughts allowed, this is politics! __________________ Go Pistons!

09-07-2003, 08:48 AM	#2 (permalink)
Nimbletoe Junkie Location: Michigan	I hope this isn't a shock to anyone. Robin Williams put it best, "Some achieve greatness, some are born great, others get it as a graduation gift."

09-07-2003, 09:02 AM	#4 (permalink)
Nimbletoe Junkie Location: Michigan	Approval ratings are low? Shit, time to start another war.

09-07-2003, 09:15 AM	#6 (permalink)
maximusveritas Winner	More people say we need someone new in office than think President Bush deserves re-election. So why is it that the pundits keep saying that Bush is unbeatable? As the article says, even 63% of Democrats have been brainwashed into believing Bush will surely be re-elected. What's that about the liberal media?

09-07-2003, 10:04 AM	#7 (permalink)
chavos Banned Location: St. Paul, MN	bush is going down...from the moment he was elected, i never gave up hope that we would be done with this debacle in four years. the democratic feild needs to narrow quickly...but once that's done, i think there is a really strong opportunity to take the mutha down.

09-07-2003, 12:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
Nimbletoe Junkie Location: Michigan	Just kidding by the way. __________________ Go Pistons!

09-07-2003, 03:38 PM	#15 (permalink)
rogue49 Loser	I'm not going to worry about anything until we get much closer to the time to vote. That's the only time that these polls will accurately reflect opinion.

09-09-2003, 07:19 AM	#16 (permalink)
bish Crazy Location: Indy	Reagan had a lower approval rating than that and still got elected to a second term. I'm not too worried.

09-09-2003, 08:08 AM	#17 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	Current polls from a wide variety of pollsters http://www.pollingreport.com/bush.htm Get the Bush approval/disapprove ratings easily from here: http://www.dailykos.com/ The approve/disapprove are on the right side. Hit Page Down twice and you will see them start with the heading BUSH JOB RATINGS

09-09-2003, 05:33 PM	#18 (permalink)
mml Adrift Location: Wandering in the Desert of Life	Let's be honest, it is still too early to tell what will happen. A great deal will depend on who the Dems. nominate. Bush, much like his father, has an amazing ability to piss away high approval ratings and even though his numbers are higher than both Reagan and Clinton at this time in their terms, he is not nearly the candidate they were.(this is a polical observation, not refering to his ability to govern) Bush has(IMO) about a 50-50 chance of being reelected right now, about the same as he had in the last election. It will most likely be very close unless the Iraq situation clears up, the economy booms back or the Dems nominate an ineffectual candidate. __________________ Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." -Douglas Adams

09-09-2003, 09:19 PM	#19 (permalink)
Johnny Rotten lost and found Location: Berkeley	I don't see how any prez could be popular right now, with the economy still struggling and people getting fired by the thousands as jobs move to India and don't look like they're coming back any time soon. Then there's this continual struggle with Iraq and people still talking about why we went there in the first place since there seems to be little connection between them and al Qaeda and no evidence of WMD. People want a return to better times, and the most recent better times had a Democrat steering the ship. I think thousands of people will "anti-vote" for a Democrat come election time, unless the economy really starts picking up. __________________ "The idea that money doesn't buy you happiness is a lie put about by the rich, to stop the poor from killing them." -- Michael Caine

09-09-2003, 09:31 PM	#20 (permalink)
JcL Crazy Location: Simi Valley, CA	Its really going to have to depend on the Dems nomination I think as well. Many fear that if Dean is elected he will scare away many moderate democrats/swing independents etc. This does seem like a problem to me, and I'm hoping that Dean doesn't get the vote. Right now hes riding on a wave of support from far lefties who absolutely despise Bush and love Deans rhetoric against him. But come the real thing, such a position won't be holding much water I think. I heard some poll that a disturbing 70% or so of Americans believe Saddam had connections directly with 9/11. Theres no evidence of this of course, and I don't thinkBush has made any "misleading" statements over this. This still seems to lend quite a bit of support to Iraq... Economy should be the front and center issue. It is improving, but job improvement suffers time lag so it might not be enough for those voting from their pocketbooks. I'd give Bush a higher chance then 50/50 still, but its definitely not a sure thing like I think it was just 6 months ago. __________________ "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth then lies." - Nietzsche

09-09-2003, 10:12 PM	#21 (permalink)
Hard8s Addict Location: Wherever I am!	Gee I wonder why his aproval ratings have dropped.....hmmm.... Could it be that he had a surplus in the budget when he got into office and now we have a gaping defict? Or could it be the fact that he lied to the american people to get us into Iraq? He said the Iraqi oil would pay for the rebuild, now we are shelling out the dough again. He said we were in immenent danger of Hussein, we still have not found any WMD. Or could it be that he has no clue what he is doing in office? As for the first part, out here in California we have a governor who has the same problem, and he's in the middle of a recall!!! __________________ If ignorance is bliss, then wipe this smile off my face!

09-10-2003, 05:07 AM	#22 (permalink)
Sparhawk Dubya Location: VA	Maybe the american people are starting to wake up to the fact that the president has pissed away 2 Trillion of their hard-earned dollars. __________________ "In Iraq, no doubt about it, it's tough. It's hard work. It's incredibly hard. It's - and it's hard work. I understand how hard it is. I get the casualty reports every day. I see on the TV screens how hard it is. But it's necessary work. We're making progress. It is hard work."

09-10-2003, 06:39 PM	#23 (permalink)
yournamehere Invisible Location: tentative, at best	In my house, his numbers have held their own. 0% approval then; 0% approval now. __________________ If you want to avoid 95% of internet spelling errors: "If your ridiculous pants are too loose, you're definitely going to lose them. Tell your two loser friends over there that they're going to lose theirs, too." It won't hurt your fashion sense, either.

09-12-2003, 05:40 AM	#24 (permalink)
maximusveritas Winner	Here's a great graph of the President's approval ratings. As you can see, other than the peaks after 9-11 and the war in Iraq, the President's numbers have consistently gone done almost every time. The reason: he's done almost nothing positive while in office. So he's going to try to exploit the deaths of those on 9-11 and in Iraq to try and win re-election. I hope we don't let him get away with this.

09-12-2003, 05:47 AM	#25 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	New Gallup Poll is out and the numbers are similar. 52% approval for Bush 46% reelect (compared to a 43% for an nunamed democrat.)

09-12-2003, 06:06 AM	#26 (permalink)
JBX Unfair and Imbalanced Location: Upstate, NY	It's all too early to see where this is leading. If GWB's job performance ratings are the same or lower in the summer of 2004, he has trouble ahead. __________________ "Youth and Strength is no match for Age and Treachery"

09-12-2003, 07:30 AM	#27 (permalink)
onetime2 Junkie Location: NJ	I have never thought that GWB was unbeatable in the next election. Polls are polls, everyone has one and they all can say vastly different things. This far from election, undefined opposition, economic limbo, Democratic strategy, etc are all big question marks so no poll done now will have any predictive value. Time will tell. __________________ Strive to be more curious than ignorant.

09-13-2003, 01:12 AM	#28 (permalink)
inkriminator Insane	Many people have brought in the issue about polls being able to predict how the presidential elections would go. I think that it's interesting to remember that the inspiration for the "terror market" has a much better record for predicting election results than any pollls. just interesting to note. Since 1988, the Iowa Election Markets (IEM), conducted by the University of Iowa, has consistently bested pollsters when it comes to predicting presidential-election results

09-13-2003, 04:46 AM	#29 (permalink)
Jesus Pimp The Original JizzSmacka	Bush is such a lousy president. I can't understand how anyone could like him, conservative or not. __________________ Never date anyone who doesn't make your dick hard.

09-13-2003, 05:49 AM	#30 (permalink)
mr sticky Psycho Location: NC	With the election race starting, most people view this approval as a comparison with a "phantom" opponent. With the dems not coming out strong with a clear, alternative message, the race is still greatly in W's favor. __________________ The sad thing is... as you get older you come to realize that you don't so much pilot your life, as you just try to hold on, in a screaming, defiant ball of white-knuckle anxious fury

09-13-2003, 06:46 AM	#31 (permalink)
eris Crazy	The child president doesn't deserve the 45% approval he's getting today. Frickin clown... __________________ allhaileris

09-16-2003, 04:14 AM	#35 (permalink)
Jesus Pimp The Original JizzSmacka	Maybe people are finally waking up? __________________ Never date anyone who doesn't make your dick hard.

09-24-2003, 03:49 PM	#36 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	It's easy to criticize. He's steering the world through trouble. Popularity is popularity. It's not worth a whole lot. When citizens actually vote, they tend to weigh realities. I don't see a lot of serious thought in this thread. I see some but not a lot. __________________ create evolution