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Ballzor · 07-19-2003, 11:04 PM

now before I get flamed, I realize that not all muslims are terrorists or what have you. But it cannot be denied that they are there, and they want to do people harm. So here goes:

A ship captain some time in the 1800 caught a set of muslim terrorists who were trying to blow up his ship. Realizing such attacks would continue in an attempt to destroy his ship, he came up with an ingenious way of stopping them. He had his men cover their bullets with pig innards before loading them in the guns used to execute these terrorists. Posters were put up warning other future terrorists of what would happen if they tried to attack this captains ship.
Pass this on to anybody fighting overseas with the armed forces.

Macheath · 07-19-2003, 11:31 PM

The terrorists would not believe that a matyr would be excluded from heaven for such reasons.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pershing.htm

Phaenx · 07-19-2003, 11:43 PM

Genocide! That should fix it.

hiredgun · 07-19-2003, 11:58 PM

The fact that you think this is a good idea horribly offends me.

Edit: That was directed at Ballzor. I did recognize Phaenx's sarcasm.

Dragonlich · 07-20-2003, 12:03 AM

Well, Phaenx is certainly correct. Killing all Muslims would stop Muslim terrorism... Whether it's the right thing to do is another matter, of course.

A partial solution may be to force governments to take responsibility for their citizens. If you harbor known terrorists and refuse to stop them, you're in fact aiding them. Therefore, it is imperative that governments around the world work together to stop these morons. Of course, education and such also help.

Phaenx · 07-20-2003, 12:17 AM

Bingo.

Sun Tzu · 07-20-2003, 01:30 AM

Should the IRA be done in the same way? oops I have some Irish friends. Worst. . . some are Catholic some are Prodestant. Worse even yet some dont mind being a part of the UK.

seretogis · 07-20-2003, 08:26 AM

Like I've said in various other threads, as long as there is an educational system (in Saudi Arabia, imagine that) which promotes Anti-US sentiment and the benefits of martyrdom there will always be suicide bombers.

JumpinJesus · 07-20-2003, 08:29 AM

In about 3 million years, none of this will matter anyway.

The_Dude · 07-20-2003, 08:38 AM

i remember this.

some ol' democratic senator forwarded this message to his colleages and this started some backlash toward him.

how about this, if we kill all christians, wouldnt that eliminate all christian terrorists too? hm...i think we should all hang 'em up on the cross n nail 'em. that should discourage any future attacks.

quoting dragonlich

Quote:

Killing all Muslims would stop Muslim terrorism... Whether it's the right thing to do is another matter, of course.

same situation here.

jukaman · 07-20-2003, 09:49 AM

wow, i've never heard of that

homerhop · 07-20-2003, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sun Tzu
Should the IRA be done in the same way? oops I have some Irish friends. Worst. . . some are Catholic some are Prodestant. Worse even yet some dont mind being a part of the UK.

Dont get me started

Raw Kuts · 07-20-2003, 04:31 PM

I dunno if you were joking or not, but if you're a muslim stranded on a deserted island and there are only pigs to eat, it's ok. So I doubt they would care if bullets had pig guts on 'em.

The_Dude · 07-20-2003, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Raw Kuts
I dunno if you were joking or not, but if you're a muslim stranded on a deserted island and there are only pigs to eat, it's ok. So I doubt they would care if bullets had pig guts on 'em.

doubt they would do that.

some muslims are extremely dedicated and prolly wouldnt do so.

Mojo_PeiPei · 07-20-2003, 06:43 PM

Arabs not to get learned and fast. Shit is only going to get worse aslong as we let the current Islamic world carry on as it is. This will sound harsh but the Islamic religion as a whole needs to get uprooted, or at least ROCKED. This is kindof extreme but honestly all the problems of the world can be attributed to the Islamic influence (for you moderators I am refering to the heirarchy not so much as the people as a whole). Look at Sudan, Libya, Iran, Pakistan, Saudia Arabia... horrible places breeding more troubles then they are worth. Level them.. reduce them to dust. Like it was said in Swordfish they bomb a church level three mosques, they bomb a city block, tactially nuke an entire city. I am sick of dealing with these fucks, enough is enough.

Sun Tzu · 07-20-2003, 08:22 PM

HAIL THE KNIGHTS of TEMPLAR

MacGnG · 07-20-2003, 08:44 PM

maybe we should be trying to stop ALL terrorists.....

Sun Tzu · 07-20-2003, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
Arabs not to get learned and fast. Shit is only going to get worse aslong as we let the current Islamic world carry on as it is. This will sound harsh but the Islamic religion as a whole needs to get uprooted, or at least ROCKED. This is kindof extreme but honestly all the problems of the world can be attributed to the Islamic influence (for you moderators I am refering to the heirarchy not so much as the people as a whole). Look at Sudan, Libya, Iran, Pakistan, Saudia Arabia... horrible places breeding more troubles then they are worth. Level them.. reduce them to dust. Like it was said in Swordfish they bomb a church level three mosques, they bomb a city block, tactially nuke an entire city. I am sick of dealing with these fucks, enough is enough.

Tell that to a few altar boyz

papermachesatan · 07-20-2003, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
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genocide is always cool. I've got a question though: you're better than the terrorists, why?

giblfiz · 07-20-2003, 10:23 PM

you know, by the time people are throwing grassroots suicide bombers at you, beating them up more isn't going to help.

The "buried with a pig" idea isn't that stupid, for while it will have a minimal effect it may have some small effect and the cost is virtually nil. (a few pigs, hell you can even use ones that are otherwise unfit for consumption)

the only way to make this stop is to make them stop hating us. To be honest I don't know how to do that, but I'm pretty sure it isn't with bombs.
The only think I can think of is trying to destroy there culture... pepper them with enough McDonald's, cell phones and bad sitcoms and after a generation they won't be quite so bomb crazy. (but thats last generation is going to be *very* ugly)

If you want to see how poorly raw aggression works take a look at Israels luck with it. I remember a few months where every other week they laid siege to Arafat's government and it just increased the number of bombings.

as far as killing them all goes, well I suspect thats a joke and I'm going to treat it like one. .

Mojo_PeiPei · 07-20-2003, 10:40 PM

quote:
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Originally posted by papermachesatan

genocide is always cool. I've got a question though: you're better than the terrorists, why?

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I'm better cause I'm not some pussy who thinks that playing their own game is mean... boo fucking hoo. These are people that would love to get their hands on you, and kill you for no other reason then you are a (I'm assuming) a white (christian?) westerner. Beat them at their own game, eliminate them.

P.S.
The only reason why Israel eye for an eye situation isn't working for them is they have shown enormous restraint. They whomped on those Arabs 5-times in half a century. More over aslong as you have fucks like Arafat dicking around behind the scenes nothing is going to get done.

Phaenx · 07-20-2003, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Dude
i remember this.

some ol' democratic senator forwarded this message to his colleages and this started some backlash toward him.

how about this, if we kill all christians, wouldnt that eliminate all christian terrorists too? hm...i think we should all hang 'em up on the cross n nail 'em. that should discourage any future attacks.

quoting dragonlich

same situation here.

Sure would. But then that's completely out of context since we're talking about solving our problems, in a completely facetous manner as well =D.

Sun Tzu · 07-21-2003, 12:24 AM

From whomevers perspective one does any actions against another believes they're in the right for whatever reason. THe opposing side will obviously see differently. So it boils down to a new / or old? type of evolution- who has the bigger guns.

Maybe it is better that a certain percentage of the human population goes away; then maybe the democrats and republicans will stop verbal jabs at one another and throw down.

The Timothy McVeighs can finish off whatever targets they have planned.

The neonazis and black panthers can tear each other apart.

Whoever is left can finally find some fresh ideas to hate each other about.

The_Dude · 07-21-2003, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Phaenx
Sure would. But then that's completely out of context since we're talking about solving our problems, in a completely facetous manner as well =D.

are you saying there are no christian extremist groups in the country now?

Zeld2.0 · 07-21-2003, 09:26 AM

Heh the pig stuff isn't really going to happen IMO because most of the muslim terrorists are extremists who THINK they are following the religion but are NOT.

I've been to the middle east a few times and i will tell you that most people there are very nice and live a very religious life and simply wish to live their own way. Of course there are always the assholes and extremists. Sound familiar? Oh wait pretty much every country is that way.

Now then if you think about it, you do realize that not all Muslims support the same goals? There are many different areas - Arabs are just a small group in the whole that comprises all of those who practice Islam.

Much the same as Christianity where differnet groups / areas / peoples have different national goals.

Ironically though, out of all of this if you think about it, is the fact that terrorism is their only weapon now. If they had a large standing army that could challenge the U.S. or whatever nation really, they wouldn't really resort to it, but thats probably a worst point for us.

crumbbum · 07-21-2003, 10:02 AM

Short term- they are thinking in a war mentality, and the best way to stop them is just to defeat them decisively, and to ensure that terrorism is doomed to fail, always, as a method to reach said goals, and in fact will only lead to setback and loss on the part of the terrorists.

Long term- cut the funding, make certain countries (Saudi Arabia, for one) start educating their youth for the modern world, and not "jihad". Education is the only solution long term, but might have to be manually initiated by us, if we expect any change in our lifetimes.

Zeld2.0 · 07-21-2003, 10:14 AM

Education goes both ways. Our own country needs some seriously because I can honestly say that our very own society has deteriorated considerably in these years.

And yes education is the only real long term solution. Short term is only going to come back and bite us in the ass later.

Piss them off enough then their will to get a nuke will only be greater. Last thing anyone wants to see is a mushroom cloud over Manhattan.

But I don't think we need to enforce our own beliefs into their education system - its not just that but its also a collective effort by all countries to fix the issues.

papermachesatan · 07-21-2003, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei

Quote:

Originally posted by papermachesatan

genocide is always cool. I've got a question though: you're better than the terrorists, why?

I'm better cause I'm not some pussy who thinks that playing their own game is mean... boo fucking hoo. These are people that would love to get their hands on you, and kill you for no other reason then you are a (I'm assuming) a white (christian?) westerner. Beat them at their own game, eliminate them.

I'm sure all those people would like to get their hands on me. Especially the innocent people simply living out their lives, the innocent little boys and girls, etc. Not liking us, protesting agaisnt us, etc. does not make them guilty combatants.

The terrorists target innocent civilians directly, just as you're now suggesting that we do. You hypocrite. You're as much a coward as the guy strapping dynamite to his chest.

Zeld2.0 · 07-21-2003, 07:51 PM

Well I'm going to have to say that if you have to kill to feel safe then you are being the scared one now.

Phaenx · 07-21-2003, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Dude
are you saying there are no christian extremist groups in the country now?

I don't recall any in this country who are actually blowing people up, unless you count individuals like the toad who was bombing abortion clinics and stuff. Not being an expert on terrorist groups I wouldn't know, I can say for certain I haven't heard of any christian groups on the news killing people.

In any case, what I was saying was genocide on christians wouldn't solve the muslims problems, because for one, they think the jews are bigger terrorists then we are, and jews aren't christians, and two, not all anti-terrorism folks are christians. Lets say you did kill all the christians in the world, would we still be at war with terrorists, kicked the talibans ass and continued to bring our shizzle to their grizzles? Yes. If all the muslims in the world were dead, would there be any muslim extremists left over to blow people up? No.

Phaenx · 07-21-2003, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by papermachesatan
I'm better cause I'm not some pussy who thinks that playing their own game is mean... boo fucking hoo. These are people that would love to get their hands on you, and kill you for no other reason then you are a (I'm assuming) a white (christian?) westerner. Beat them at their own game, eliminate them.

Quote:

I'm sure all those people would like to get their hands on me. Especially the innocent people simply living out their lives, the innocent little boys and girls, etc. Not liking us, protesting agaisnt us, etc. does not make them guilty combatants.

The terrorists target innocent civilians directly, just as you're now suggesting that we do. You hypocrite. You're as much a coward as the guy strapping dynamite to his chest.

Why, that's not very nice. Not accurate as it turns out as well:

cow-ard

One who shows ignoble fear in the face of danger or pain.

In this case, I don't think either are cowards. The morality is another question altogether however. Is it worse to kill a soldier or a child? I'd say whatever means takes us to the best possible end works for me, a life is a life, if you have to kill some to preserve many then do it. As for genocide, I think the numbers will show that it's unfeasable and downright evil, even if it would work.

Lebell · 07-21-2003, 08:56 PM

Gentlemen,

This thread needs to get a lot less personal.

Moderate yourselves or be moderated.

XenuHubbard · 07-21-2003, 09:56 PM

Personally, I would see the KKK as the Christian equivalent of Al-Quaida. The difference is that the KKK are in the preparation stage.

Both groups needs to read their books better.

Phaenx · 07-21-2003, 10:05 PM

That's a whole other thread, but they're far from a Christian equivalent of Al-Qaida.

hiredgun · 07-21-2003, 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
quote:
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Originally posted by papermachesatan

genocide is always cool. I've got a question though: you're better than the terrorists, why?

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I'm better cause I'm not some pussy who thinks that playing their own game is mean... boo fucking hoo. These are people that would love to get their hands on you, and kill you for no other reason then you are a (I'm assuming) a white (christian?) westerner. Beat them at their own game, eliminate them.

P.S.
The only reason why Israel eye for an eye situation isn't working for them is they have shown enormous restraint. They whomped on those Arabs 5-times in half a century. More over aslong as you have fucks like Arafat dicking around behind the scenes nothing is going to get done.

And you'd like to kill innocent people just for being Arabs? If a bunch of terrorists bomb a church, you want to bomb three mosques full of innocent worshippers in retaliation? The people that you want to kill aren't even responsible for what you are "punishing" them for.

Your mentality is not any different from that of a terrorist. You would have us punish the innocent in order to deliver a message to terrorists. Terrorists also use innocent civilians to deliver messages. That simply isn't the way things should be done.

Xell101 · 07-21-2003, 10:41 PM

Isolationism

Zeld2.0 · 07-21-2003, 10:56 PM

don't even get started on isolationism

though it would stop a lot / most of terrorist acts

Phaenx · 07-21-2003, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Xell101
Isolationism

Tried it, didn't work.

Zeld2.0 · 07-21-2003, 11:01 PM

thats not entirely true though phaenx

the era of isolationism was shattered by world war 2 because we thought we could stay out of a global war even though we were a pretty key figure / a roadblock to the goals of many nations...

and it effectively ended with the attack on pearl harbor which was attacked by a very different force from terrorists...

now im no supporter of isolationism but i do think that a lot of hte interventionist policies we HAVE been doing over the years haven't always been the greatest things to do...

isolationism in the form of not being involved in a lot of issues (not to mention israel being at the top of that list) probably would've stopped a lot of terrorist acts but who knows what the alternative is really anyways... no other dimension to find out (yet)

Phaenx · 07-21-2003, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zeld2.0
don't even get started on isolationism

though it would stop a lot / most of terrorist acts

The Russians would have long since stomped our asses too.

07-19-2003, 11:04 PM	#1 (permalink)
Ballzor Crazy Location: Bat Country	How to stop muslim terrorists now before I get flamed, I realize that not all muslims are terrorists or what have you. But it cannot be denied that they are there, and they want to do people harm. So here goes: A ship captain some time in the 1800 caught a set of muslim terrorists who were trying to blow up his ship. Realizing such attacks would continue in an attempt to destroy his ship, he came up with an ingenious way of stopping them. He had his men cover their bullets with pig innards before loading them in the guns used to execute these terrorists. Posters were put up warning other future terrorists of what would happen if they tried to attack this captains ship. Pass this on to anybody fighting overseas with the armed forces.

07-19-2003, 11:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	Genocide! That should fix it. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

07-19-2003, 11:58 PM	#4 (permalink)
hiredgun Addict	The fact that you think this is a good idea horribly offends me. Edit: That was directed at Ballzor. I did recognize Phaenx's sarcasm. Last edited by hiredgun; 07-20-2003 at 12:13 AM..

07-20-2003, 12:17 AM	#6 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	Bingo. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

07-20-2003, 01:30 AM	#7 (permalink)
Sun Tzu Conspiracy Realist Location: The Event Horizon	Should the IRA be done in the same way? oops I have some Irish friends. Worst. . . some are Catholic some are Prodestant. Worse even yet some dont mind being a part of the UK. __________________ *To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit.- Stephen Hawking*

07-19-2003, 11:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
Macheath Junkie Location: Sydney, Australia	The terrorists would not believe that a matyr would be excluded from heaven for such reasons. http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pershing.htm

07-20-2003, 12:03 AM	#5 (permalink)
Dragonlich 42, baby! Location: The Netherlands	Well, Phaenx is certainly correct. Killing all Muslims would stop Muslim terrorism... Whether it's the right thing to do is another matter, of course. A partial solution may be to force governments to take responsibility for their citizens. If you harbor known terrorists and refuse to stop them, you're in fact aiding them. Therefore, it is imperative that governments around the world work together to stop these morons. Of course, education and such also help.

07-20-2003, 08:26 AM	#8 (permalink)
seretogis Huggles, sir? Location: Seattle	Like I've said in various other threads, as long as there is an educational system (in Saudi Arabia, imagine that) which promotes Anti-US sentiment and the benefits of martyrdom there will always be suicide bombers. __________________ seretogis - sieg heil perfect little dream the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels well almost no one to blame always the same, open my eyes wake up in flames

07-20-2003, 08:29 AM	#9 (permalink)
JumpinJesus Junkie Location: Chicago	In about 3 million years, none of this will matter anyway. __________________ "I can normally tell how intelligent a man is by how stupid he thinks I am" - Cormac McCarthy, All The Pretty Horses

07-20-2003, 09:49 AM	#11 (permalink)
jukaman Crazy	wow, i've never heard of that

07-20-2003, 04:31 PM	#13 (permalink)
Raw Kuts Insane Location: San Diego, CA	I dunno if you were joking or not, but if you're a muslim stranded on a deserted island and there are only pigs to eat, it's ok. So I doubt they would care if bullets had pig guts on 'em. __________________ ( o< --!"Take that bass out you're voice, you talk to me in treble." / / \ \/_/_ -->Mos Def

07-20-2003, 06:43 PM	#15 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	Arabs not to get learned and fast. Shit is only going to get worse aslong as we let the current Islamic world carry on as it is. This will sound harsh but the Islamic religion as a whole needs to get uprooted, or at least ROCKED. This is kindof extreme but honestly all the problems of the world can be attributed to the Islamic influence (for you moderators I am refering to the heirarchy not so much as the people as a whole). Look at Sudan, Libya, Iran, Pakistan, Saudia Arabia... horrible places breeding more troubles then they are worth. Level them.. reduce them to dust. Like it was said in Swordfish they bomb a church level three mosques, they bomb a city block, tactially nuke an entire city. I am sick of dealing with these fucks, enough is enough. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

07-20-2003, 08:22 PM	#16 (permalink)
Sun Tzu Conspiracy Realist Location: The Event Horizon	HAIL THE KNIGHTS of TEMPLAR __________________ *To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit.- Stephen Hawking*

07-20-2003, 08:44 PM	#17 (permalink)
MacGnG Know Where!	maybe we should be trying to stop ALL terrorists.....

07-20-2003, 10:23 PM	#20 (permalink)
giblfiz is a shoggoth Location: LA	you know, by the time people are throwing grassroots suicide bombers at you, beating them up more isn't going to help. The "buried with a pig" idea isn't that stupid, for while it will have a minimal effect it may have some small effect and the cost is virtually nil. (a few pigs, hell you can even use ones that are otherwise unfit for consumption) the only way to make this stop is to make them stop hating us. To be honest I don't know how to do that, but I'm pretty sure it isn't with bombs. The only think I can think of is trying to destroy there culture... pepper them with enough McDonald's, cell phones and bad sitcoms and after a generation they won't be quite so bomb crazy. (but thats last generation is going to be very ugly) If you want to see how poorly raw aggression works take a look at Israels luck with it. I remember a few months where every other week they laid siege to Arafat's government and it just increased the number of bombings. as far as killing them all goes, well I suspect thats a joke and I'm going to treat it like one. . __________________ Use the star one and you'll be fighting off the old ones with your bare hands -A Shoggoth on the Roof

07-20-2003, 10:40 PM	#21 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by papermachesatan genocide is always cool. I've got a question though: you're better than the terrorists, why? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm better cause I'm not some pussy who thinks that playing their own game is mean... boo fucking hoo. These are people that would love to get their hands on you, and kill you for no other reason then you are a (I'm assuming) a white (christian?) westerner. Beat them at their own game, eliminate them. P.S. The only reason why Israel eye for an eye situation isn't working for them is they have shown enormous restraint. They whomped on those Arabs 5-times in half a century. More over aslong as you have fucks like Arafat dicking around behind the scenes nothing is going to get done. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition. Last edited by Mojo_PeiPei; 07-20-2003 at 10:43 PM..

07-21-2003, 12:24 AM	#23 (permalink)
Sun Tzu Conspiracy Realist Location: The Event Horizon	From whomevers perspective one does any actions against another believes they're in the right for whatever reason. THe opposing side will obviously see differently. So it boils down to a new / or old? type of evolution- who has the bigger guns. Maybe it is better that a certain percentage of the human population goes away; then maybe the democrats and republicans will stop verbal jabs at one another and throw down. The Timothy McVeighs can finish off whatever targets they have planned. The neonazis and black panthers can tear each other apart. Whoever is left can finally find some fresh ideas to hate each other about. __________________ *To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit.- Stephen Hawking*

07-21-2003, 09:26 AM	#25 (permalink)
Zeld2.0 Cherry-pickin' devil's advocate Location: Los Angeles	Heh the pig stuff isn't really going to happen IMO because most of the muslim terrorists are extremists who THINK they are following the religion but are NOT. I've been to the middle east a few times and i will tell you that most people there are very nice and live a very religious life and simply wish to live their own way. Of course there are always the assholes and extremists. Sound familiar? Oh wait pretty much every country is that way. Now then if you think about it, you do realize that not all Muslims support the same goals? There are many different areas - Arabs are just a small group in the whole that comprises all of those who practice Islam. Much the same as Christianity where differnet groups / areas / peoples have different national goals. Ironically though, out of all of this if you think about it, is the fact that terrorism is their only weapon now. If they had a large standing army that could challenge the U.S. or whatever nation really, they wouldn't really resort to it, but thats probably a worst point for us.

07-21-2003, 10:02 AM	#26 (permalink)
crumbbum Crazy Location: CT,NYC,NJ(have been all over)	Short term- they are thinking in a war mentality, and the best way to stop them is just to defeat them decisively, and to ensure that terrorism is doomed to fail, always, as a method to reach said goals, and in fact will only lead to setback and loss on the part of the terrorists. Long term- cut the funding, make certain countries (Saudi Arabia, for one) start educating their youth for the modern world, and not "jihad". Education is the only solution long term, but might have to be manually initiated by us, if we expect any change in our lifetimes. __________________ Truth is peace. We are all souls in bodies.

07-21-2003, 10:14 AM	#27 (permalink)
Zeld2.0 Cherry-pickin' devil's advocate Location: Los Angeles	Education goes both ways. Our own country needs some seriously because I can honestly say that our very own society has deteriorated considerably in these years. And yes education is the only real long term solution. Short term is only going to come back and bite us in the ass later. Piss them off enough then their will to get a nuke will only be greater. Last thing anyone wants to see is a mushroom cloud over Manhattan. But I don't think we need to enforce our own beliefs into their education system - its not just that but its also a collective effort by all countries to fix the issues.

07-21-2003, 07:51 PM	#29 (permalink)
Zeld2.0 Cherry-pickin' devil's advocate Location: Los Angeles	Well I'm going to have to say that if you have to kill to feel safe then you are being the scared one now.

07-21-2003, 08:56 PM	#32 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	Gentlemen, This thread needs to get a lot less personal. Moderate yourselves or be moderated. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

07-21-2003, 09:56 PM	#33 (permalink)
XenuHubbard Cute and Cuddly Location: Teegeeack.	Personally, I would see the KKK as the Christian equivalent of Al-Quaida. The difference is that the KKK are in the preparation stage. Both groups needs to read their books better. __________________ The above was written by a true prophet. Trust me. "What doesn't kill you, makes you bitter and paranoid". - SB2000

07-21-2003, 10:05 PM	#34 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	That's a whole other thread, but they're far from a Christian equivalent of Al-Qaida. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

07-21-2003, 10:41 PM	#36 (permalink)
Xell101 Junkie	Isolationism

07-21-2003, 10:56 PM	#37 (permalink)
Zeld2.0 Cherry-pickin' devil's advocate Location: Los Angeles	don't even get started on isolationism though it would stop a lot / most of terrorist acts

07-21-2003, 11:01 PM	#39 (permalink)
Zeld2.0 Cherry-pickin' devil's advocate Location: Los Angeles	thats not entirely true though phaenx the era of isolationism was shattered by world war 2 because we thought we could stay out of a global war even though we were a pretty key figure / a roadblock to the goals of many nations... and it effectively ended with the attack on pearl harbor which was attacked by a very different force from terrorists... now im no supporter of isolationism but i do think that a lot of hte interventionist policies we HAVE been doing over the years haven't always been the greatest things to do... isolationism in the form of not being involved in a lot of issues (not to mention israel being at the top of that list) probably would've stopped a lot of terrorist acts but who knows what the alternative is really anyways... no other dimension to find out (yet)