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SNAP ANALYSIS: Why is Sarah Palin resigning as Alaska governor? | Reuters

I'm guessing the last one. It's way too early to be considering a Republican nomination, especially when "inexperience" is a common charge against you. I'm betting there's a big rotting moose carcass in the future of Alaska's executive branch.

Mkay. Hopefully Alaska is able to find a willing and capable governor.

Yeah something doesn't smell right here. I suspect we are going to see a scandal unfold in the next few weeks. Sanford may be spared....

Or she's really as ambitious as she seems, and she's throwing away the useless lame-duck period of her term for more time to build grassroots toward 2012. Screw Alaska? It's all about Sara in the White House? Dunno, but that's what it seems like to me.

I vote-

Or it could be scandal. A lot of high ranking GOP heavy hitters are tried of her "maverick" way. Or as they're now calling it "crap."

Sarah Palin is a maverick like I'm Queen of England.

If i had a good husband and a precious young family and i was doing more than my part to help my country, giving all my time and energy to help "the people"...whether i was politically polished or not

...and "the people" in turn were spending all their time on their butts posting disgusting degrading photoshopped pictures of me on the internet like the one i just saw in the tfp of a nude palin with pasties in a sacreligious portrayal of being nailed to the cross...

...or the media, airing for ridicule, beauty queen pageant photos of me in a swimsuit during the presidential campaign and making a big deal of a $150,000 wardrobe while no one said a word about what michelle spent has spent so far or the whole outrageous bill for obama's campaign

...or scrutinizing my children's personal lives, digging into our past to find scandal, and minimizing the contributions and accomplishments i had made for america

...yes, i'd leave too...why didn't she leave sooner is my question

...what has become of America's decency?

I think that she is going to either:

become a Tina Fey impersonator; or

take Dog, The Bounty Hunter's gig

i just think she'll take a dayjob as a dog groomer or some mundane everyday job and fade away into oblivion.

i never thought she had the knack to run for office, and she could never have sustained her run, so i saw this coming for a while now

So then can you hook me up with a knighthood? I, if nothing else, mean that's got make it easier to get better seats to stuff, right?

I've come to the conclusion that no one seriously defends Governor Palin anymore, even the farthest right-wing loons. At this point any defense of her is involuntary, like an action repeated several times a day every day for many months being committed to muscle memory. It's not even dissonance, it's more like a tick or a yid. I doubt even Governor Palin herself would buy someone honestly coming to her defense.

Not a Fox viewer eh?

sure, there you go.
May you now be known as Sir Tully, yada, yada, yada.
Let's go grab a pint.

The rumor mill is saying there is a federal indictment coming down for misuse of funds while she was mayor of Wasilla.

d) TV Pundit

I shall spend the rest of my days correcting anyone not referring to me as "Sir."

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Rumor mill also said her kid was really her daughters.

e) Star of Nailin' Palin II

I don't think you could call them serious defenders when they're getting paid to do it. For enough money I might even consider defending Governor Palin. Well, maybe not.

Im sorry, but when you use your kids as a prop in a convention, and put them in the cover of every magazine out there talking about how it feels to be a teen mom, you can't really turn around and complain that people talk about you and scrutinize your lives.

Hopefully her star fades away quickly now. Despite how nice it would feel to vote against her in the next Republican primary, I'd rather never have to hear her name again.

...my comment you referred to said nothing about "defense". I did not say that decency=defense. My comment was about public ridicule to the nth degree. Sure, politicians expect their "fair share" of public ridicule but posting nude photoshopped pictures of her with pasties nailed to the cross in a sacreligious double mockery, which is only one example in a sea of public ridicule, is more than Palin's "fair share". And my point was..."yes, i would leave too"...enough is enough.

...anyone who does this for sport lacks decency



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I think this is the most likely explanation, though I'd love it if the rumors of scandal were true. I'd really like Sarah Palin to go away.

She knows what will happen if she shows her mental instability one more time. Trying to spare the family from the embarassment.

Or else she realized she could do better as a porn star without having to speak words that weren't fed to her.

I wasn't really speaking to the networks paid staff but rather the people they interview who attend her events. She's a very big draw. I get Fox out of Rochester, NY. Last night they were interviewing some people who seem to want her to run for the Senate... in NY.

I think there's plenty of people defending her and not being paid.

Rekna called it: Think Progress Did an embezzlement scandal force Sarah Palin to resign?

I hope it's true.

Here's the thing, though: When you're a joke, you're a joke. And that lady's a joke. She'd have lost her re-election campaign anyway. If it hadn't been for one night of insanity in the McCain campaign's smoke-filled room, she'd have faded into obscurity as the political equivalent of a fish with a bicycle. But the moment she got the VP tap from McCain, she's went from "doggy paddling fairly reasonably" to "seriously out of her depth"--and did so on prime time TV.

You don't get to complain about "gotcha journalism" when you can't answer the question "what publications do you read?". Sneaky damn KATIE COURIC (the Miller Lite of network news, btw)--she should know that real American mavericks don't read!! How dare she demonstrate how stupid the VP nominee is!!

Looking for attention and a movie of the week. She's had a taste of the real spotlight and is wet for more. She gets a lot more of that by quitting as governor than she will staying on as manager of some remote corner of the US.

This has been out there since before she ran for VP. I doubt this has anything to do with her stepping down. Unless of course she knows they actually have her and her husband caught red handed. Even then I think she'd hire a good law firm and a PR team to spin it so she's yet again a victim. She's capable of denying anything. Did you read her e-mail exchange with Steve Schmidt? She complains she's getting heat because people accuse her husband of being in the AIP. Schmidt replies with "your husband WAS in the AIP, ignore it, don't make it an issue." She's comes back with something like "No, he just checked the wrong box on his voter form." Schmidt comes back with "our records show he was an active member for years, if that's wrong please correct." So her husband accidentally joined the party, then accidentally attended meetings for some 7 or 8 years. She herself made a video welcoming party members to their annual convention. But it was all a mistake and accidental. That's the political equivalence of "Honey, honey I didn't have an affair. I was walking down the street when I accidentally bumped into a lady, complete accident, we fell into a motel room and my penis accidentally slipped inside her... repeatedly. See, no affair."

I still haven't figured out what it was about Sarah that scared the far left so shitless. Heck she makes a very bad political move and you all are still scared shitless of her.

This is a very bad political move no matter which way you slice it. No one likes or votes for a quitter period end of story. She is done, you all can relax and find someone else to harass. No need to be skeered anymore.

scout, in some ways I wish that your girl Palin will run for president in 2012. She would be very easy to defeat. And as far as us crazy-ass lefties "harassing" anybody, have you listened to Rush, or watched O'Reilly lately? Of course you have, but you just don't want to admit that the Republican party is bat-shit insane. Megga-Dittoes!

Nobody's scared of her scout, but that's a very safe way for you to spin it for yourself.

She's a joke. We're laughing at her. it's funny, but not "ha ha" funny. More like sad funny.

Could be a political "all in" move. She could spin this that the system in the US is so messed up (really who would disagree with that?) that she needs to get out and around the country to spread the agenda of the common working family. She could claim this is the best way for her to save the country from the direction it's currently headed.

In this day and age, nothing would surprise me.

I don't listen to either one, sorry to disappoint. No need to listen to bigots. Both O'Reilly and Limbaugh represent the far right extreme and unfortunately they have hurt the conservative/republican cause more than they have ever helped. I usually take people at face value and as far as Palin is concerned I don't believe her to be presidential material, but then I don't believe Obama's experience as a "community organizer" uniquely qualified him to be president either lol. I believe the past election brought out what was perhaps the worst set of candidates in our history and just shows how low as a society we have sunk. Hopefully the next election will bring out a respectful candidate, whether it be Democrat or Republican. Since there is no doubt Obama will be the Democratic candidate that sorta leaves them out ...

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That's kind of a stretch don't you think? I don't think Americans as a whole have much patience with quitters and quitting her post as governor certainly doesn't do her any good or gain her much respect in that regard. All her opponents will have to bring up is she abandoned her post for her own political gain and it's over. She has buried herself this time and I don't see anyway possible she can avoid this being political suicide.

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If she didn't scare you in some way you would simply ignore her. That's what people do to non issues, just ignore it and it will go away. The far left has went way way way way way out of the way to disgrace the lady so there is much more to it than simply making or poking fun of.

I guess that means republicans have been shitting in their pants afraid of Hillary Clinton for almost 20 years.

scout, sorry that I attacked you the way I did. Politics can be quite polarizing, especially now. Obama is not a god, he has let me down quite a bit. But McCain/Palin, at least in my opinion, would have been much worse. The fact that you don't like Rush and O'Reilly makes me quite happy. Those two are why I hate the GOP. I wish both parties could just work together to make America better. I know, I'm being naive, it's all about money.

I don't believe the Republicans ever took things as far as the Democrats did do you? If so show me the {to borrow from Shell to save typing}

Or another example would be accuse Hillery of hiding a childbirth by saying it was Chelsea's.

Come on now, the left went much further than the right ever did and you know it. I will admit back during the 90s when Hillery appointed herself or Bill appointed her to oversee the health care reform the Republicans sunk pretty low in their criticism of Hillery but never as low as it went whenever Palin was chosen as a vice presidential candidate.


So can anyone tell me what it is about Sarah Palin that skeers the shit out of the left? You can come off it now because she's done politically. You can "stick a fork in it", she's done.

I honestly don't know what's a stretch with her, I think she's capable of just about anything. Her whole "pass the ball for victory" comment seems rather odd to me. I have no idea what her motives are and I'm just tossing out speculation like everyone else. If she came out tomorrow and said she decided the the best thing for Alaska was to part ways with the US I wouldn't be surprised by that either. One minute she's with the AIP movement and the next she's not.

I do think you're right and this was her falling on her sword so to speak. Just not convinced she's aware of that fact right now.

That's really all I want to my friend. Both sides to work together to make the USA stronger and better than before. Both sides of the aisle are needed for the system to work properly and a third party would make it even better. Unfortunately for everyone both parties have made it nearly impossible for a third party to gain a solid foothold.

Thanks for posting this. Attacks are of benefit to no one and really do nothing for TFP as a whole. Thanks for admitting your error.

It would be nice if we could have disagreements without attacking each other.

LOL!

But no, mm - when the left does it, they are "scared". When the right does it, they are "justified".

Hey presto!

This goes nowhere, IMO. It's like children on a play ground. For every over the top attack you can find from the left I can find one from the right.

You find a comment by John Kerry and I find a comment by Kay Bailey Hutchison. You post a slam from the Huffington Post or the Daily Kos and I post some from Fox News or Rush Limbaugh.

This is, IMO, what's wrong with US politics. We've been divided and conquered, sadly in a very real way.

Tulls Mars, like I said, Politics can be quite polarizing. That doesn't give me the right to attack a fellow TFP'r. This isn't DIGG.

And I'm thanking you for that.

I seem to recall democrats saying things like,"Wouldn't it be scary if she was VP, since McCain is so old and all.Would you want her to have access to the button?"

personally I don't give a crap. there's morons on both sides of the fence and at the start and the ending of them. Find a way to meet halfway and move on.

I didn't see the speech but I just read the transcript.

Sweet holy moses, what the hell was THAT?

Everybody concentrates on the appearance of women who enter into the presidential political arena. It's a long held fucked-up tradition. And no, I don't see much difference in what has been done to Palin and the literally thousands of images that are out there ridiculing the appearance of Hillary Clinton. But if you're serious, you suck it up and keep going. Which is what Hillary has managed to do. And why is that? In my estimation it is because there is depth and substance behind the image of Hillary Clinton, despite my own personal feelings about her and her husband which are not entirely favorable.

What scared me about Sarah Palin? That there isn't all that much behind those images and, if elected, was one likely heart attack away from the presidency. But since they lost, I've been skeptical of her chances to stage any major plays for the presidency on her own so I can say with total assurance that I am no longer scared of Ms. Sarah Palin.

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^^^ see my post above.
But it's got nothing to do with 'access to the button.' And I hardly think it was an illegitimate concern.

set in that frame it is not much different than the rest of the fear mongering. It doesn't matter the context, the action and frame are the same. The motive to act isn't based on rational action but fear.

the bottom line is that she is a quitter.....IMO, a clear demonstration of lack of character when faced with (perceived?) adversity.

All politicians are evil. Why the hell would you want to be in politics? Greed and money. And ego. Cheney. Cheney is the most evil person on the planet.

I don't necessarily agree with the whole "she's a quitter" argument. I mean, unless it's a particularly frowned-upon thing in American politics.

People resign from their jobs/careers all the time to pursue other interests, and in many cases the "other interests" are more ambitious, noble, or both. Is it that far-fetched for her to resign from a political position in...well...way up in Alaska to pursue other avenues to a national office?

She's still popular with the GOP. Do you think she's just throwing this away? I think she could serve the party in a number of ways.

You're elected to serve a full term.....I dont recall any other governor or senator or representative resigning in mid-term in order to pursue a higher political office.

That's what I was wondering. It's different here in Canada. I'm sure the phrase "Calling an election" is foreign to most Americans.

I wonder if her decision is a move out of political office and into politics of another kind then.... :confused:

She can now write her book, take paid speaking engagements and other such activities w/o a cloud of potential ethics violations or conflicts of interest.

IMO, Her political career is over...either by choice or circumstances that may still arise.

Yeah, I was reading commentary, and one commentator suggested politics of the TV show or radio show variety.

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really? Both McCain and Obama who didn't vote in anything as senator most of last year is acceptable behavior? It wasn't to me.

Neither one resigned (quit) and both continued to provide constituent services and were there to vote when it mattered most.

You may find their absence from the day-to-day Senate activities to be distasteful...I find quitting to be more distasteful.

Only question: who's this "you" you're talking about, in that first sentence. Do you mean literally me? Because if I'm "far left" from your perspective, I despair of ever having anything like a sensible conversation with you.

As far as I'm concerned like you said, they are elected to a FULL term. Calling out sick or for another pursuit is still not acceptable to me. Quitting or resignation, seems to be a bit more honorable since as you say, elected to a full term and if you'd like to pursue other interests be it home life or higher office... but that's you opinion versus mine.

I'm not really impressed with the number of roll call votes....most were procedural and virtually meaningless when the outcome is known in advance....both were there, more often than not, for the votes that mattered.

"winners never quit and quitters never win" - vince lombardi

then i guess it's not worth having them since they don't matter. :shakehead:

Sometimes fear is completely rational. I was not afraid of John McCain and there are any number of candidates that he could have chosen from that would not have concerned me so much. I was truly afraid that a reactionary nitwit could have been one step away from the presidency after eight years of George Bush (who, for the record, I do not call a nitwit).

Context does matter.

It is best that we leave this alone. Trust me.

that's fine :)

Honestly, I've given her very little thought since the election. She's been way off my radar screen.

then it isn't far off or completely irrational to allow the same for the other side. Again, THEIR context has to matter equally. Again, if framed the same, and someone says the other side isn't acceptable to do the same action, it's hypocritical.

That is true, which is why I said the rumor mill. Though the daughter rumor was partially correct (that Bristol was pregnant). That rumor would have never happened if they didn't try to hide the fact that Bristol was pregnant. The rumor had many of the facts right but it came to the wrong conclusion.

Ok, but I'm not sure that we're debating that point. Are we debating that point? What the hell are we debating anyway? :lol:

absolutely nothing :)

I like Jello.

And I hate useless fighting.

I love boobies.

...haha

I am late to this thread, but as a strong Palin supporter I will add my $.02.

Palin's resignation is in the best interest of her state. The constant attacks and attempts to discredit her is diverting resources and focus on the State's needs.
Palin's resignation is in the best interest of her family. She has the opportunity to benefit financially given her celebrity. She can also spend more quality time with her family.
Palin's resignation is in the best interest of her supporters. She can focus on raising money and building an organization. She can run for higher office or act as a power broker.
Palin's resignation is in the best interest of her political future. As a politician who in the past only focused on local and state issues, can now spend more time focusing on national and international issues.
Palins's resignation is not in the best interest of her detractors. They need her in a neat little box, a box they control. she just stepped out of the box.

We'll find out soon enough why Sarah is stepping down. As a conservative woman, I really dig Sarah because she represents me-my ideals.

I am tired of Washington insiders making decisions that only benefit them. Term limits would help immensely.

I just watched the Andrea Mitchel interview, MSNBC, during the interview Palin explains why she resigned in plain language , Mitchel asks a dumb question about the "glamor" of national politics, while Palin is in fishing waders. Palin says "you are not listening", I think Palin is pretty honest and a straight talker and some people seem to ignore what she actually says. I like her the way I liked Bush. She does not have a hidden agenda.

Here is a link to the interview.

i have to say that i couldn't care less what sarah palin does or does not do. i consider her views to be troglodyte stuff. but i have to confess that i thought the last lines of her resignation speech to be genius. "in the words of douglas macarthur," she said:

We are not retreating. We are advancing in another direction.

...Because neither of them are smart enough to come up with one.

You set 'em up, I knock 'em down!

Would you elaborate on which ideals those are?

How is that helped by the governor of Alaska stepping down? In other words, what has one to do with the other?

If she'd just returned to Alaskan obscurity post-election, no one would talk about her, make jokes about her, or investigate her. SHE chose to keep her face on TV, so I don't see how she has much room to complain about how the media treats her.

If she thinks the critics were harsh during her VP run, she has NO IDEA what kind of shit storm she's going to face as a Presidential candidate. She seems decidedly thin-skinned, which is a pretty terrible character trait for someone who aspires to lead a nation.

But as a democrat, I hope she runs in 2012.....we may have a Reagan/Mondale-esque landslide election of historic proportions.

:sad:

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I like my politicians the way I like my....oh, never mind.

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She made that choice, and taking on the elite and the media is going to pay big dividends. Perhaps, like Bush, people simply underestimate her. Picking the right enemy has value.

Thin skinned? You are kidding, right? Just because she smileling doesn't mean, she won't, figuratively, gut you alive.

You do know who won, don't you?

In that comparison, Obama is Reagan. Enjoy.

She's not really taking them on. She's saying her two cents, then screaming "MAINSTREAM LIBERAL MEDIA!" every time someone criticizes her.



See above. Getting out of the governership to "protect her family" or whatever is a lame excuse for running away from the critics.



Of course. Reagan won 49 states to 1. I'm sure Palin would win the dyed-in-the-wool red states, but I can't imagine her swinging states like Indiana, Ohio or Pennsylvania (as 3 examples) back her way.

She could hide behind McCain as the VP nominee and avoid the tough questions, but if she's seriously considering running for President, she'll need every second between now and then to even raise her level of discourse to "acceptable", much less "extraordinary".

Call me naive, but I expect excellence from my president. There's nothing excellent about Sarah Palin. Nothing.

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If you say so.

My goodness, being underestimated is such a tactical advantage. Keep thinking she is a dumb "caribou barbie" and now a quitter.

Yea, she ran right into doing a MSNBC interview. I wonder where she is going to run next? Perhaps, a $250,000 per plate speaking engagement? The book tour? International travel? Maybe a movie, like Gore did?

She only gets about $50,000 per engagement, and the offers are slowing down since she quit. If she's smart, she'll join the blue collar comedy tour. Seriously, that's her best chance at good revenue right now.

Did i actually read the word "only" before "gets about $50,000" per speaking engagement? You guys are making me laugh so hard today, you can not imagine, I have to walk away and collect myself.

Someone has flip flopped...

$250,000 > $50,000 and dropping. I've seen how quickly legal bills can add up, too, so that $50,000 per might very well be going straight to her attorneys.

If she did 100 speaking engagements at $50,000, that's $5,000,000. If she did 20 at $50,000 and 20 at $40,000...etc to 20 at $10,000 and stopped, that would be 100 with a total of $3,000,000.

Personally, I would resign for that reason alone - and then re-engage in politics after financial security. Gee, I like Palin more and more.

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True. But which position do you agree with, the critique of Clinton or Palin stepping down after a the media's unfair attacks.

I saw the attacks against Clinton as unfair, sexist, and unjustified. I agreed with Clinton's complaints and feel those who had Palin's view were wrong.

Experience can be the best teacher. I wonder if a person like Clinton or other feminist have the courage to stand in support of Palin given the unfair media treatment. I doubt it.

She was taking on the elites? She WAS the elites. Long before she became governor she had a family income of over 6 digits, so this whole "regular gal" routine is just that, a routine.

And the whole "oh, the media is mean to me" act is tiring as well. You can't really decide to make your daughter's pregnancy and engagement a campaign issue and then be surprised when they become tabloid fodder. You can't really accept the role of "snarky but lovable campaign attack person" and then be surprised when people are mean back.

I don't claim it is fair, but it is far, far from being unprecedented. Heck, Jon and Kate have probably received more negative press coverage than they did, and all they do is a reality show.

She more or less toes the company line as far as GOP/Neo-Con talking points, so I'm not sure why anyone would prefer over a similar candidate who actually has the educational pedigree, charisma and authority to rule a country

I think this is a great point here.

It sucks that candidates are being "vetted" by tabloids based on family life and such and not on political views, but Palin right there is part of the problem, not part of the solution.
She runs on biography, not on any novel policy ideas. In that sense, she is the anti-Ron Paul. Ron Paul, for all his faults, ran on policy ideas, and policy ideas alone. She ran on "I don't care about policy, I toe the republican party line, but look at me, arent I adorable? Ain't my family cute?"

Palin says Hillary Hillary Clinton shouldn't whine about tough media coverage


Does that Palin and a whiner and a quitter?

How can one person be considered tailor park trash and elite? I am very interested in an explanation, or have we forgotten what the woman has been called? So, which is it?

I don't buy that she's "elite", but she was quite well off financially before entering the national stage. That didn't stop her from being "folksy", though.

Im sticking with whiner and quitter.....and hypocrite, telling Hillary to buck up and then becoming the first high level political figure that I can recall to leave office voluntarily because of media scrutiny.

You betcha!

Put a fork in her.

So, how do you explain the dislike from GOP elites? How do you explain the recent Vanity Fair reports from McCain people? Palin has a grass-roots following that has almost nothing to do with the "company line".

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Having money and being an elitists are not correlated in my view. When you read the book "Millionaire Next Door", it becomes very clear how down to earth, hard working, people can be very rich monetarily and not elitist.

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But, seems like most in the national media just can not stop thinking and talking about her. And, why you of all people would waste your time giving any thought to her is beyond my comprehension. She is even giving Micheal Jackson competition in the media the last few days.

Don't think she is ready for that fork just yet.

Hey, I am just trying to understand how it could be perceived as honorable for Palin to tell Hillary to buck up and then turn around and quit when she couldnt take the heat herself. Her rambling, incoherent speech and the subsequent attempted clean-up by staffers left me and the media and many supporters dumbfounded. WTF?

Her negatives are the highest among any potential "name" candidate for 2012...and likely to soar after this fiasco. Any appeal beyond the hard core base is gone.

I suggest reading: "Art of War" - Sun Tzu.

"Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near."

I doubt that Palin has read "Art of War" but I could be wrong.

In any case, her basketball analogy was more compelling or at least more amusing:

Let me go back quickly to a comfortable analogy for me, and that’s sports. Basketball. And I use it because you are naïve if you don’t see a full court press from the national level picking away right now. A good point guard, here’s what she does. She drives through a full court press, protecting the ball, keeping her head up because she needs to keep her eye on the basket and she knows exactly when to pass the ball so that the team can win. And that is what I’m doing. Keeping our eye on the ball.

And I thought a good team player never abandons the team.

It was not honorable. I said I disagreed with her. It is clear that she had not experienced or fully understood what Clinton had experienced, yet she made her criticism. When she experienced what Clinton experienced she gained a new perspective on the issue. I think the attacks caught her off guard. In my view it is reasonable for her to re-group, or pause before going on an offensive. You assume she is a quitter, I don't. I think she is a fighter. I also think Clinton is fighter, I respect that in both women.

Why do you think I would care about that? I am a fanatic if you did not already know.

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Yes, I got it - you think she is dumb.

I don't feel abandon. She is not on your team, so what is your point? Of course you can find fault in everything she does. I bet there some environmentalist group in the wings going to file an ethics violation on her fishing trip filmed on MSNBC yesterday.

how one chooses to portray oneself and how one actually lives are two different things.

George W. Bush was a multi-millionaire who made his political career by portraying himself as "just like us."