LOL!

But no, mm - when the left does it, they are "scared". When the right does it, they are "justified".

Hey presto!

This goes nowhere, IMO. It's like children on a play ground. For every over the top attack you can find from the left I can find one from the right.

You find a comment by John Kerry and I find a comment by Kay Bailey Hutchison. You post a slam from the Huffington Post or the Daily Kos and I post some from Fox News or Rush Limbaugh.

This is, IMO, what's wrong with US politics. We've been divided and conquered, sadly in a very real way.

Tulls Mars, like I said, Politics can be quite polarizing. That doesn't give me the right to attack a fellow TFP'r. This isn't DIGG.

And I'm thanking you for that.

I seem to recall democrats saying things like,"Wouldn't it be scary if she was VP, since McCain is so old and all.Would you want her to have access to the button?"

personally I don't give a crap. there's morons on both sides of the fence and at the start and the ending of them. Find a way to meet halfway and move on.

I didn't see the speech but I just read the transcript.

Sweet holy moses, what the hell was THAT?

Everybody concentrates on the appearance of women who enter into the presidential political arena. It's a long held fucked-up tradition. And no, I don't see much difference in what has been done to Palin and the literally thousands of images that are out there ridiculing the appearance of Hillary Clinton. But if you're serious, you suck it up and keep going. Which is what Hillary has managed to do. And why is that? In my estimation it is because there is depth and substance behind the image of Hillary Clinton, despite my own personal feelings about her and her husband which are not entirely favorable.

What scared me about Sarah Palin? That there isn't all that much behind those images and, if elected, was one likely heart attack away from the presidency. But since they lost, I've been skeptical of her chances to stage any major plays for the presidency on her own so I can say with total assurance that I am no longer scared of Ms. Sarah Palin.

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^^^ see my post above.
But it's got nothing to do with 'access to the button.' And I hardly think it was an illegitimate concern.

set in that frame it is not much different than the rest of the fear mongering. It doesn't matter the context, the action and frame are the same. The motive to act isn't based on rational action but fear.

the bottom line is that she is a quitter.....IMO, a clear demonstration of lack of character when faced with (perceived?) adversity.

All politicians are evil. Why the hell would you want to be in politics? Greed and money. And ego. Cheney. Cheney is the most evil person on the planet.

I don't necessarily agree with the whole "she's a quitter" argument. I mean, unless it's a particularly frowned-upon thing in American politics.

People resign from their jobs/careers all the time to pursue other interests, and in many cases the "other interests" are more ambitious, noble, or both. Is it that far-fetched for her to resign from a political position in...well...way up in Alaska to pursue other avenues to a national office?

She's still popular with the GOP. Do you think she's just throwing this away? I think she could serve the party in a number of ways.

You're elected to serve a full term.....I dont recall any other governor or senator or representative resigning in mid-term in order to pursue a higher political office.

That's what I was wondering. It's different here in Canada. I'm sure the phrase "Calling an election" is foreign to most Americans.

I wonder if her decision is a move out of political office and into politics of another kind then.... :confused:

She can now write her book, take paid speaking engagements and other such activities w/o a cloud of potential ethics violations or conflicts of interest.

IMO, Her political career is over...either by choice or circumstances that may still arise.

Yeah, I was reading commentary, and one commentator suggested politics of the TV show or radio show variety.

:expressionless:

really? Both McCain and Obama who didn't vote in anything as senator most of last year is acceptable behavior? It wasn't to me.

Neither one resigned (quit) and both continued to provide constituent services and were there to vote when it mattered most.

You may find their absence from the day-to-day Senate activities to be distasteful...I find quitting to be more distasteful.

Only question: who's this "you" you're talking about, in that first sentence. Do you mean literally me? Because if I'm "far left" from your perspective, I despair of ever having anything like a sensible conversation with you.

As far as I'm concerned like you said, they are elected to a FULL term. Calling out sick or for another pursuit is still not acceptable to me. Quitting or resignation, seems to be a bit more honorable since as you say, elected to a full term and if you'd like to pursue other interests be it home life or higher office... but that's you opinion versus mine.

I'm not really impressed with the number of roll call votes....most were procedural and virtually meaningless when the outcome is known in advance....both were there, more often than not, for the votes that mattered.

"winners never quit and quitters never win" - vince lombardi

then i guess it's not worth having them since they don't matter. :shakehead:

Sometimes fear is completely rational. I was not afraid of John McCain and there are any number of candidates that he could have chosen from that would not have concerned me so much. I was truly afraid that a reactionary nitwit could have been one step away from the presidency after eight years of George Bush (who, for the record, I do not call a nitwit).

Context does matter.

It is best that we leave this alone. Trust me.

that's fine :)

Honestly, I've given her very little thought since the election. She's been way off my radar screen.

then it isn't far off or completely irrational to allow the same for the other side. Again, THEIR context has to matter equally. Again, if framed the same, and someone says the other side isn't acceptable to do the same action, it's hypocritical.

That is true, which is why I said the rumor mill. Though the daughter rumor was partially correct (that Bristol was pregnant). That rumor would have never happened if they didn't try to hide the fact that Bristol was pregnant. The rumor had many of the facts right but it came to the wrong conclusion.

Ok, but I'm not sure that we're debating that point. Are we debating that point? What the hell are we debating anyway? :lol:

absolutely nothing :)

I like Jello.

And I hate useless fighting.

I love boobies.

...haha

I am late to this thread, but as a strong Palin supporter I will add my $.02.

Palin's resignation is in the best interest of her state. The constant attacks and attempts to discredit her is diverting resources and focus on the State's needs.
Palin's resignation is in the best interest of her family. She has the opportunity to benefit financially given her celebrity. She can also spend more quality time with her family.
Palin's resignation is in the best interest of her supporters. She can focus on raising money and building an organization. She can run for higher office or act as a power broker.
Palin's resignation is in the best interest of her political future. As a politician who in the past only focused on local and state issues, can now spend more time focusing on national and international issues.
Palins's resignation is not in the best interest of her detractors. They need her in a neat little box, a box they control. she just stepped out of the box.

We'll find out soon enough why Sarah is stepping down. As a conservative woman, I really dig Sarah because she represents me-my ideals.

I am tired of Washington insiders making decisions that only benefit them. Term limits would help immensely.

I just watched the Andrea Mitchel interview, MSNBC, during the interview Palin explains why she resigned in plain language , Mitchel asks a dumb question about the "glamor" of national politics, while Palin is in fishing waders. Palin says "you are not listening", I think Palin is pretty honest and a straight talker and some people seem to ignore what she actually says. I like her the way I liked Bush. She does not have a hidden agenda.

Here is a link to the interview.

i have to say that i couldn't care less what sarah palin does or does not do. i consider her views to be troglodyte stuff. but i have to confess that i thought the last lines of her resignation speech to be genius. "in the words of douglas macarthur," she said:

We are not retreating. We are advancing in another direction.

...Because neither of them are smart enough to come up with one.

You set 'em up, I knock 'em down!

Would you elaborate on which ideals those are?

How is that helped by the governor of Alaska stepping down? In other words, what has one to do with the other?

If she'd just returned to Alaskan obscurity post-election, no one would talk about her, make jokes about her, or investigate her. SHE chose to keep her face on TV, so I don't see how she has much room to complain about how the media treats her.

If she thinks the critics were harsh during her VP run, she has NO IDEA what kind of shit storm she's going to face as a Presidential candidate. She seems decidedly thin-skinned, which is a pretty terrible character trait for someone who aspires to lead a nation.

But as a democrat, I hope she runs in 2012.....we may have a Reagan/Mondale-esque landslide election of historic proportions.

:sad:

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I like my politicians the way I like my....oh, never mind.

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She made that choice, and taking on the elite and the media is going to pay big dividends. Perhaps, like Bush, people simply underestimate her. Picking the right enemy has value.

Thin skinned? You are kidding, right? Just because she smileling doesn't mean, she won't, figuratively, gut you alive.

You do know who won, don't you?

In that comparison, Obama is Reagan. Enjoy.