True true...

A good woman > mercenary, ftw.

How to use your tax rebate...

As you may have heard the Bush Administration said each and every one of us would now get a nice rebate. If we spend that money at Wal-Mart, all the money will go to China. If we spend it on gasoline it will all go to the Arabs, if we purchase a computer it will all go to India, if we purchase fruit and vegetables it will all go to Mexico, Honduras, and Guatamala, if we purchase a good car it will all go to Japan, if we purchase useless crap it will all go to Taiwan and none of it will help the American economy.

We need to keep that money here in America, so the only way to keep that money here at home is to buy prostitutes and beer, since those are the only businesses still in the US

Here's her myspace page:
http://www.myspace.com/ninavenetta

http://a473.ac-images.myspacecdn.com...f6b51ea930.jpg

And here's more information about her. I'm betting we'll be seeing more of her in Playboy in the near future

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/13/ny...d-kristen.html

Beautiful...

client #6
 

http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2008/..._grosvenor.jpg

I wondered how long it was going to take for us to start to find out who were clients 1-8. This morning they're saying that this guy, The Duke of Westminster- Gerald Cavendish Grosvenor, was client #6. Apparently he's the wealthiest man in Great Britain. And despite his wealth he's reported to have haggled with a young lady over the cost of his "date."

If she spoke with him by phone I could see her reducing her price, if they met face to face I'm thinking he's paying full price.

Well, how else do you think the rich folks hold on to their money?

Kirsten certainly is a looker. If he didn't get caught she would've certainly been money well spent.

No lay is worth 4-5 grand.

If you are putting that kind of money down on hookers, do it the old fashioned way. Put them up in an apartment and have a mistress.

Mistresses are dangerous. Just ask Barry Bonds.

Apparently the story about the Duke of Westminster is being pulled this morning under threat of libel suite (reported to be much easier to prove in the UK than in the US) and his lawyers are saying that they have proof he was not even in London at the time of the supposed tryst.

It is, however, noteworthy that Grosvenor has a history with the working girls. Reports of this sort of activity have already cost him a position in the Defense Department.

Are you boys being bad? I hear you're being bad. :p

Are you fucking kidding me? Money well spent?

Excuse me while I go throw up.

As I said in the OP, I don't think prostitution should be illegal. But since it is, I suspect that this Kristen/Ashley will turn this, um, affair into all sorts of opportunities for herself - as she should. She's now getting the downside from the whole series of events, she should get the upside too.

Hmmmm, so there should be an "upside" for an offender who gets caught at an illegal act?

He's talking about Kristin.

Right. Is prostitution currently not just as illegal for the prostitute as it is for the john?

Speaking of which, isn't it ironic that Spitzer signed a bill into law that increased the penalties for those caught soliciting the servicies of a prostitute?

I doubt she'll be prosecuted. The feds appear to be going after the people who ran the operation, not the girls who were the product.

Whether or not she is prosecuted does answer the question about if she deserves an "upside" for having broken the law. Not that I would in anyway excuse Spitzer in this as his actions speak for themselves but it could be argued that if she (and others like her) did not have their services for sale in the first place he would not have had opportunity to break the law. And yet she stands to gain not once but twice...once for having been paid a huge sum of money on at least one occasion for what one has to assume was a few hours effort at most and then again by trading on the celebrity achieved when her client was publicly taken down.

yes, and dealing with the current downside - shame, exposure, legal jeopardy. I think the woman deserves some upside.

Ok, 5 grand an hour...... let's see, this time frame and if she is worth it:


I arrive to the apartment about a minute: 59 mins left

She takes her time answering the door 2 mins: 57 left

we have a few drinks and talk 15 mins: 43 left

I go to bathroom pace saying I can't believe this is happening 10 mins: 33 left

The pacing has made me go limp so now 15 mins to get it hard before I can go back out: 18 mins left

Have a couple more drinks 15 mins: 3 mins left

She grabs me MR willy winkie and I prematurely get happy 1 min : 2 mins left

I get dressed talk to her about setting up the next appointment and leave

Go to the club with the rest of my super rich friends, discuss how I just had sex for an hour with some hot chick that makes my tongue hard just thinking about her....

Yep, worth every penny.

If she didn't offer her services, somebody else would've. In the end, Spitzer shouldn't have solicited their services to begin with.

I see...

I guess I just view this as closer to prosecuting the drug addict and letting the dealer go free. I know the analogy is not perfect but it is as close I can get.

And yeah, I know if it was not this specific girl then it would have been another. In fact, I think we pretty much know there were others right? I mean, she was not the only girl from this service that he did this with if I understand right.

I am not absolving Spitzer either. He is just as wrong. I just can't get past the point that in the end they will suffer the "shame, exposure, legal jeopardy" as loquitur says but she will come out of it way up in terms of at least money, although knowing America she will be celebritized and gain more than just money out of it.

I just find it a bit incongruous that this act could well launch her career while killing his and they are both equally guilty of the same crime.

The way it launched Gennifer Flowers/Paula Jones/Monica Lewinsky's careers? I don't see her getting much out of this really, besides some myspace love from a bunch of lousy rappers, ex-cons, and middle-aged satyrs.

The first two where both paid to pose for Penthouse and Flowers got a book deal out of it. While I can't call this a "career" for either, you do have to say that they have profited financially from their involvement with Clinton. You can't tell me either would have had any of the offers they received otherwise. I would bet that Monica has received similar offers and apparently refused them as judged by the low profile she has kept in the years since her internship.

The only reason I can see that they do not continue to turn up in the public eye is because they chose not to. We can't seem to get rid of Tonya Harding...

hmmm, I still don't care about either of these people...what is wrong with me? :p

Hmm, really? Let's see... I don't even know where to start:D

No, you're right. They all had their 15.5 minutes just for opening their mouths and saying ahh. They did profit financially, Bill's presidency was irreversibly marked, and - worst of all - we as a nation are still dealing with the fallout, what with his scorned, vengeful wife as presidential candidate.

Wait, you're righter than I thought you were, lol...

Just an afterthough really but,...anyone notice when Spitzer first came out with his wife to tell the press about his act, Silda was wearing a pearl necklace.

Surprised no jokes about the hooker's pearl necklace that is warm and creamy and wipes off with a hotel towel.

Just a thought

If you think Spitzers got it bad, take a look at the police chief of Tehran, Iran.
Like so many though, his only real mistake was getting caught.
Similar ideologies, identical hypocrisies.

well, if you're going to be unfaithful in your marriage, and you're going to fuck someone...i'd much rather a politician fuck a hooker than the intern in his office. it's sad, somewhat, but i expect this type of behavior. my only question is whether or not he paid for the hooker with taxpayer money. if so, he should be prosecuted completely. for misappropriation of taxpayer money or whatever the official legal terminology is. if he didn't, then i honestly don't care - and i would prefer that he/they use high-powered prostitution services that keep their mouths shut (no jokes bitches) than regular-ass people who get caught up in the drama. as far as this discussion goes, if clinton had used a high-profile escort service, he would have probably been better off. god knows they get paid well enough to find and pay the best hookers out there using their own money.

get hal to contact her... she'll be twice as famous!!!

tho... we may need another server to handle the load...

get it?

Just another random thought for those who are still interested. The media has splashed Spitzer and his hooker all over to the point of near boredom.

If still issue isn't dead, I have a question.

Why have the media stayed away from printing/showing the names of those who ran the escort agency? I find it very interesting that absolutely nothing has been uncovered by the media, or if it has, is being suppressed.

Who are these people? Anyone know any names?

Because Spitzer and Kristen are way more interesting to dig up dirt on than some invisible behind the scenes people. It's not like the agency is pulling a Heidi Fleiss and threatening to open up their little black book.

Of course if they did that, things would get real interesting real quick.

The names are out there. Even some pictures. It was one man and three women. The criminal complaint is here. There were pictures of Hollander in the papers, actually.

New NY Gov. Paterson Confesses Affair
 

oops? Only hours after being sworn in, New York's new Gov. Paterson (D) admits to sex with other woman for years.

www.nydailynews.com

nothing really to say ... :no:

Yup. And the way this story just fell of the map tells me there are other big fish involved. Someone is shutting it down and now deflecting attention to the replacement Govenor. Even the hooker is pretty much forgotten

Even OJ would get more media time for something less scandalous

Well, Spitzer is yesterday's news.
And the stuff about Pateron's affair comes under the heading of "TMI" for me. I understand why he and his wife went public about it, and why they did it now, but for the life of me I really wish I didn't have to know this stuff.

loquitor....one of the charges of these guys is under the Mann Act (White-Slave Traffic Act of 1917).

Do you think Spitzer will be charged and prosecuted under this Act....particularly with its checked past of selective prosecution?

dc_dux, I don't know, but I kinda doubt it. It's very rare that johns get charged, but it's even rarer that some federal prosecutor has a bead on a state governor (outside Louisiana). So who the hell knows. I suspect a NY (Manhattan) jury won't be willing to convict someone whose "crime" is seeing prostitutes who are not underage, even with smoking gun evidence - and if that is the case, prosecutors won't bother prosecuting, at least not for that violation. The financial stuff, maybe, but even that doesn't strike me as a great case to bring - not because they couldn't prove the crime but because it's such a piece of shit crime that a judge and a jury would just get pissed off about it. What friends and colleagues of mine think might be the outcome is that they might bargain to give up his law license for a while. But it's really hard to know. If it turns out he used campaign money to pay "Kristen" - well, that would be a case that probably would get prosecuted. But I can't imagine Spitzer would have been that stupid.

Aside: Check the clothes...both couples...

http://www.phillymag.com/blogs/phill...y_and_wife.jpg

http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m3/ma...47A2425AE6.jpg

That's almost eerie. Is there some fashion consultant you go to for this type of event?