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Old 01-16-2008, 09:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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CNP connected christian evangelical ex-US congressman indicted for funding Taliban

Wierdest news report I have ever constructed a politics thread around. If you can't trust a ultra evangelical christian conservative republican politician to fight on the side of "the global war against islamo-nazi-fascism", who can you trust to do it? Go figure....

....and, what's with this "indictment", shit....a complete list and description of the charges against this guy? Shouldn't he be in a military brig, with "the charges" to come, much, much later....with no access to an attorney, and secret, or no hearings at all, in front of a military court, where it might be determined that charges are only partially disclosed in secret, with some or all of the evidence unavailable to the defendant or his attorney? Isn't that the way our military had conducted "business", with this low level target?:
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ea..._id=1003688765

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...ck=1&cset=true
Ex-lawmaker charged in terror conspiracy
By Kirsten Scharnberg | Tribune correspondent
9:42 PM CST, January 16, 2008

....Siljander's case is unique because he appears to be the only former member of Congress—he served in the House from 1981 to 1987— to be charged with conspiring with a designated terrorist group, but authorities on Wednesday touted the case's overall effect of upsetting a terror funding ring in the heart of the U.S.

In addition to Siljander, those indicted for ties to the charity group are individuals from throughout the Midwest, including a naturalized U.S. citizen from Sudan living in Missouri, a naturalized U.S. citizen from Libya living in Iowa and a man from the Chicago suburb of Palos Heights.

"By bringing the case in the middle of America, we seek to make it harder for terrorists to do business halfway around the country," said U.S. Atty. John Wood.

Siljander has a long, and often bizarre, association with religious groups in the U.S. He was initially elected to Congress thanks to the support of fundamentalist Christian groups. Upon taking office, he said he had been elected "because God wanted me in." Just two years later, in 1983, he claimed that "Arab terrorists" planned to kill him at a pro-Jewish rally, a claim the FBI and Secret Service discounted.

After leaving Congress, Siljander was appointed a public delegate to the UN by President Ronald Reagan and later started a Washington-area public relations and marketing firm that conducts a significant amount of business in the Middle East. He has in recent years been active in groups attempting to improve dialogue between Islamic and Christian groups.

In November 2006, Siljander gave a speech at Oxford University called "Overcoming the Muslim-Western Divide" in which he spoke about inspiring "a counter movement mitigating militancy within Islam and bigotry and ignorance in the West." In addition, Siljander allegedly told officials that the $50,000 he was paid by the charity group was actually a donation in support of his upcoming book, "A Deadly Misunderstanding: A Congressman's Quest to Bridge the Muslim-Christian Divide."

Siljander's attorney, James Hobbs of Kansas City, said in a statement Wednesday that his client "denies the allegations in the indictment and will enter a not guilty plea."......
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True Believer
Monday, May. 04, 1981

.....The man who beat him, and who last week swamped Rodebush by 3 to 1 in a special election to fill Stockman's seat: Mark Siljander, 29, a Fundamentalist Christian perhaps even more conservative than Stockman.

"I'm part of the silent majority that was heard Nov. 4 [when President Reagan was elected]," says Siljander. "My support comes from morally concerned citizens who are sick of the situation in this country." Siljander pledges to battle the Equal Rights Amendment, pornography, abortion, school busing and "big spending." He will champion the neutron bomb, the MX missile and prayer in public schools.

A former prefabricated-house salesman and state legislator, Siljander made his mark by mixing politics and religion. He drew money and manpower from right-to-lifers and support from the Moral Majority—though emphasizing he was not that group's candidate—and spoke on school prayer and "the Christian's role in American government." Rodebush complained that his rivals, including two conservative candidates, had their campaign literature handed out in church bulletins.

Stockman and Reagan eventually endorsed Siljander, who claimed his election was a mandate for their policies and "part of a growing [conservative] trend that's going to continue." In Siljander's case the trend is not exactly new. His 74% of the vote was just about the same as Stockman received last fall, though somewhat better than most Republicans get in a district that has elected only one Democrat in this century, in 1932.

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http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/mow/news2008/iara.ind2.htm
For IMMEDIATE RELEASE NSD

WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 16, 2008 (202) 514-2007

WWW.USDOJ.GOV TDD (202) 514-1888



ISLAMIC CHARITY CHARGED WITH TERRORIST FINANCING; FORMER U.S. CONGRESSMAN INDICTED FOR MONEY LAUNDERING



KANSAS CITY -- A federal grand jury in the Western District of Missouri has returned a superseding indictment that charges the Islamic American Relief Agency (IARA) and several of its former officers with eight new counts of engaging in prohibited financial transactions for the benefit of U.S.-designated terrorist Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. The indictment also charges former U.S. Congressman Mark Deli Siljander with money laundering, conspiracy and obstruction of justice in the case.



The 42-count superseding indictment returned today was announced by Kenneth L. Wainstein, Assistant Attorney General for National Security; John F. Wood, U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Missouri; Joseph Billy, Assistant Director of the FBI’s Counterterrorism Division; and Monte C. Strait, Special Agent in Charge of the FBI’s Kansas City Field Office.



“This superseding indictment paints a troubling picture of an American charity organization that engaged in transactions for the benefit of terrorists and conspired with a former United States Congressman to convert stolen federal funds into payment for his advocacy on behalf of the charity,” said Assistant Attorney General Wainstein.



“An organization right here in the American heartland allegedly sent funds to Pakistan for the benefit of a specially designated global terrorist with ties to al-Qaeda and the Taliban,” said U.S. Attorney Wood. “By bringing this case in the middle of America, we seek to make it harder for terrorists to do business halfway around the globe. The indictment also alleges that a former congressman engaged in money laundering and obstruction of a federal investigation in an effort to disguise IARA’s misuse of taxpayer money that the government had provided for humanitarian purposes.
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New Charges Against Former Congressman



Today’s superseding indictment also names Mark Deli Siljander as a defendant on counts of money laundering, conspiracy, and obstruction of justice. According to the indictment, Siljander was hired in March 2004 by defendants IARA, Hamed, and Bagegni to advocate for the removal of IARA from a U.S. Senate Finance Committee list of non-profit organizations suspected of being involved in supporting international terrorism.



The Senate Finance Committee placed IARA on this list of charities and published the list on Jan. 14, 2004. Siljander was to advocate for IARA’s removal from the list and reinstatement as an approved government contractor by gathering information and meeting with individuals and agencies of the U.S. government.



As compensation for the services that Siljander agreed to perform, IARA transferred roughly $50,000 in stolen federal funds to accounts that were controlled by Siljander at the National Heritage Foundation and the International Foundation. According to the indictment, the funds used to compensate Siljander for his services had previously been stolen from the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) by IARA, Hamed and Bagegni. The International Foundation and the National Heritage Foundation, which is not related to the Heritage Foundation, are not charged with any wrongdoing in this case.



IARA, Hamed and Bagegni had previously entered into a series of agreements with USAID for relief projects in Mali, Africa. When USAID terminated those agreements in December 1999, the amount of money involved totaled approximately $2 million. IARA had allegedly failed to fully fund the matching contributions required to receive USAID funds. After the termination of these agreements, the indictment alleges, IARA, Hamed and Bagegni, without authorization, retained approximately $84,922 of USAID money and failed to return the funds to USAID as called for by the agreements.



According to Count Twenty-Eight of the indictment, Siljander and defendants IARA, Hamed, Bagegni and El-Siddig conspired to engage in money laundering by transferring stolen USAID funds, knowing that the transfers were designed to conceal the nature, source and ownership of the proceeds. Counts Twenty-Nine through Thirty-One of the indictment charge Siljander along with IARA, Hamed, Bagegni and El-Siddig with engaging in money laundering by transferring stolen USAID funds, knowing that the transfers were designed to conceal the nature, source and ownership of the proceeds.



Obstruction of Justice



Count Thirty-Two of the indictment alleges that Siljander obstructed the due administration of justice in the grand jury investigation in the Western District of Missouri by making false statements to FBI agents in December 2005 and to FBI agents and federal prosecutors in April 2007.



According to the indictment, Siljander told federal officials that he had not been hired to do any lobbying or advocacy work for IARA and that the money or checks he received from IARA were charitable “donations” intended to assist him in writing a book about bridging the gap between Islam and Christianity. When he made these statements, he then well knew and believed that each statement was false, the indictment alleges.



The public is cautioned that the charges contained in this indictment are simply accusations, and not evidence of guilt. Evidence supporting the charges must be presented to a federal trial jury, whose duty is to determine guilt or innocence. The defendants are presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty.



This case was investigated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, IRS-Criminal Investigation, the Department of Homeland Security’s U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and U.S. AID-Office of Inspector General.



The case is being prosecuted by Assistant U.S. Attorney Anthony P. Gonzalez from the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Western District of Missouri, in conjunction with Trial Attorneys Corey J. Smith, National Security Division of the U.S. Department of Justice, and Steven M. Mohlhenrich, Tax Division of the U.S. Department of Justice.
In addtion to the newly indicted, American taliban Mark Siljander, the membership of this group lists the names of CNP (Council for National Policy) founder Timothy Lehaye and prominent CNP members <a href="http://www.watch.pair.com/database2.html">Dr.RJ Rushdoony and(the late) D. James Kennedy.</a>
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National COR Steering Committee

The following members of the national COR Steering Committee helped develop and ratify the COR Foundation Documents, <a href="http://www.churchcouncil.org/ReformationNet/COR/fdndocintro.htm">the 17 World View Documents</a>, and all signed <a href="http://www.churchcouncil.org/ReformationNet/COR/cordocs/Manifesto.pdf">A Manifesto for the Christian Church</a> in 1986. Some of these people are no longer associated with COR, but many continue to actively support COR.

A complete list of Christian leaders who signed the COR manifesto in 1986 is available here and at the back of <a href="http://www.churchcouncil.org/ReformationNet/COR/cordocs/Manifesto.pdf">the Manifesto</a>.

Steering Committee Members who Signed the Manifesto in
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<h3>Dr. D. James Kennedy, Ph.D., Pastor
Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church </h3>

Dr. Paul Kienel, Ed.D., Pastor
Association of Christian Schools Intl.

Dr. Henry Krabbendam, Ph.D., Professor
Biblical Studies, Covenant College

<h3>Dr. Tim Lahaye, D.Min., President
American Coalition for Traditional Values </h3>

Dr. Richard Lappert, Ph,D., Consultant
Connecticut State Department of Education

Dr. Harold Lindsell, Ph.D., Editor Emeritus
Christianity today

Dr. Allan MacRae, Ph.D., Pres. Emeritus
Biblical Theological Seminary

Rev. Ronald Marr, Editor & Publisher
Christian Enquirer

Mrs. Connaught Marshner, Director
Child & Family Protection Institute

Rev. Bob Martin, Exec. Brd. Member
Maranatha Christian Churches

Mr. Robert Martin, General Manager
Fieldstead & Company

Mr. Ted McAteer, President
Religious Roundtable

Dr. Josh McDowell, D.D., President
Josh McDowell Ministries

Mr. R.E. McMaster, Jr., Editor
The Reaper

Bishop John L. Meares, Pastor
Evangel Temple

Mr. Robert Metcalf, Founder
Christian Studies Center

Rev. Lou Montecalvo, Pastor
Redeemer Temple Southeast Church

Rev. James Morriss, Pastor
Rocky Mountain Fellowship

Rev. Bob Mumford, President
Lifechangers

Dr. Gary North, Ph.D., President
Institute for Christian Economics

Dr. Raymond Ortlund, D.D., President
Renewal Ministries

Dr. J.I. Packer, Ph.D., Professor
Systematic Theology, Regent College

Dr. Ed Payne, M.D., Professor
Medical College of Georgia

Rev. Dennis Peacocke, President
Strategic Christian Services

Dr. John Perkins, D.D., President
Voice of Calvary Ministries

Dr. William Reed, M.D., President
Christian Medical Foundation

Mr. Jerry Regier, President
Family Research Council

Dr. George Rekers, Ph.D., Professor
University of S.C. School of Medicine

<h3>Dr. R.J. Rushdoony, Ph.D., President
Council of Chalcedon </h3>

Dr. Michael Rusten, Ph.D.
Business Consultant

Rev. Ron Sadlow, Associate Pastor
Second Presbyterian Church

Dr. Robert Saucy, Th.D., Chairman
Dept. of Systematic Theo., Talbot Sem.

Mrs. Edith Schaeffer
Author, Lecturer

Mr. George Scipione, Director
Christian Counselling and Education

<h3>Mr., Mark Siljander
Former Member of Congress </h3>

Dr. Robert Simonds, Th.D., President
National Assoc. of Christian Educ.

Mr. John Sparks, J.D., Professor
Law and Economics, Grove City Coll.

Mrs. Carolyn Sundseth, Former Assoc. Director
White House Office of Public Liaison

Mr. Larry Tomczak, Editor
The People of Destiny Magazine

Dr.Paul Toms, D.D., Pastor
Park Street Church

Dr. Joseph Ton, D.D., President
Romanian Missionary Society

Brother Andrew van der Bijl, Founder
Open Doors

Dr. Jack Van Impe, Ph.D., President
Jack Van Impe Ministries

Mr. Peter Waldron, President
Contact America

Dr. Larry Walker, Ph.D., Professor
Old Testament, Mid-America Baptist Seminary

Mr. Russ Walton, President
Plymouth Rock Foundation

Mr. Bob Weiner, President
Maranatha Campus Ministries

Rev. Al Whittinghill, Evangelist
Ambassadors for Christ

Rev. Donald Wildmon, President
American Family Association

Rev. Jerry Wiles, Exec. Vice President
Bible Pathway Ministries

Dr. Ralph Winter, Ph.D., General Director
U.S. Center for World Missions

Mr. Don Zoller, Chairman
Outreach Ministries, McLean Bible Church
So, do you think this is a fluke, or is the extreme conservative evangelical wing of the republican party being exposed, coming over to "our side",in this global war?

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Old 01-17-2008, 07:41 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Why am I totally unsurprised by this. I've often wondered how American Evangelicals have accommodated their former sympathy for Islamic fundamentalism with their new mandate to revile it. I guess the answer is they haven't.
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Old 01-17-2008, 08:26 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Why am I totally unsurprised by this. I've often wondered how American Evangelicals have accommodated their former sympathy for Islamic fundamentalism with their new mandate to revile it. I guess the answer is they haven't.
Yes because one guy who was in congress 20 years ago is proof of your claim. Looks like he was trying to make some money using his ties and failed.

But because one guy, who there is no indication knew of the terrorist ties to start with, not that it really matters, ran as an evangelical, that means they are all Islamic fundamentalist terrorist sympathizers.

Of course how could anyone not make that leap!
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Of course, I am making a leap. You're right. I was indulging myself in a little bit of personal fancy.

But it's no secret that conservatives have indulged Islamic fundamentalism in Afghanistan in the past in order to prevent the spread of the obviously much more objectionable scourge of communism. They were, in fact, protecting the god-ful from the godless. And being that there are obvious facets of both Christian and Islamic fundamentalism that coincide in mutual aspirations for theocratic societies, it's not so hard to imagine that, in a pre-9/11 world, American evangelicals might find the struggles of Muslim holy warriors to be of a nature less foul than we do today.

Granted, it's probably more likely that they had little or no opinion of them at all unless they had a personal interest in the region.
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