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But that's beside the point. This thread isn't about terrorism, and you know that. But now it's easy to see where your comments are coming from...you seem to rank ALL illegal immigrants the same as those misguided militant extremists from the middle east (and those are the minority). What you've essentially done is lump together everyone into one group, and given them all mean and scary Al-Qaeda faces. Quote:
I must've gone to a pretty sad school. All classes were in English (save for the foreign language classes), but ESL kids would be taken out of class by the resident ESL specialist (or something like that), who would then teach them specially with the smart kids from class. It's a pretty fucked-up system, but I though it was like that everywhere. Also, about the limitation on the number of immigrants, I absolutely agree. This country, as great as it is, can't have open borders for all. But that doesn't mean you can look down your nose at people who do sneak in (and who you've never met) and consider them less than you. Last edited by archetypal fool; 04-04-2007 at 02:04 PM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost |
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Just like I can look up the guy who lives down the street listed as a sex offender, or the guy who signed a document to live in our buildings and said he didn't or wouldn't own a dog then you see him in the elevator with his new jack russell, or even the guy who stands on the corner that deals drugs. Sure I can look at them and think of them as less with good reason. Now if you said, that spanish guy over there, no I couldn't look down on that individual, but the moment he says,"Yeah I don't have papers to be here, I snuck across the border." or "I came here on a travel visa and overstayed." I sure as hell can look down upon him. Am I dehumanizing him? No, I am not tolerating that kind of behavior flouting rules and laws.
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04-04-2007, 02:30 PM | #123 (permalink) |
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I just want to say, on behalf of the torta i ate for lunch, that i am very thankful that some don't assimilate right away.
Also, on the subject of laws, i don't think that all laws are created equal, and i don't think every law is automatically just, or that all laws ought to be followed. I just got an apartment in minneapolis' mexican enclave. I don't want to speculate as to the legal statuses of my neighbors, but they generally seem like nice folk who generally aren't prone to crime or much vice. There are plenty of businesses in my neighborhood where you would probably need to know spanish to interact effectively with the employees, but damn can you get some great food. |
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04-04-2007, 02:40 PM | #125 (permalink) | |
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The sex offendor comited an act against a human...he raped someone. Furthormore, he chose to do so. He could've lived his life normally and been fine. What's his excuse? "You see, at the time, I was horney, and she was the only one around." ?
The guy living with his dog against the rules of the complex is doing so because he choose to. What's his excuse? "I need my dog to live with me, or else I'll be unhappy." ? The guy who sells drugs on the corner is as low as they come. He's choosing to sell drugs. What's his excuse for doing it? "Oh, well, yeah, I have every opportunity in this country to go to college, get a job, and become a great man, but I'd rather sell just sell some rocks." ? The Mexican you see walking down the street choose to come here. What's his excuse for doing so? "There are no jobs or food in my country to raise my family, so I came here, where there is food and the opportunity for my children to have a future." I'm sorry, but these cases don't match up at all. Oh, and I didn't mean to say that "You can't..." because we're all entitled to our opinions. That's just mines, since I wouldn't just consider someone less than me unless they do something which would truly call for it. Bad choice of words on my part... Quote:
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04-04-2007, 02:52 PM | #126 (permalink) |
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I think that it's ironic that a lot of (maybe most?) illegal immigrants are self-selecting for the kind of perseverance, risk taking, and work ethic that we think of as being the American character. These are people that are willing to take on huge risks and work multiple low-wage jobs to give their kids an opportunity to succeed. You'd think we'd try to capitalize on that.
I agree that there is some difference between those who "follow the rules" and those who don't, but I don't necessarily think that it is what some are portraying here. Far more illegal immigrants are willing to worker harder for a little opportunity than are looking for a free ride in a rich country.
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If you want to do like Regan and wave the magic wand and make all the 12 million here legals, by all means fine. Then prevent FURTHER people from just walking over. Because if you aren't going to do that then in a decade or so we'll have another 12 million illegals again. I'll offer my solution, legalize all 12 Million people currently here. Create a moritorium of NO IMMIGRATION for 2-5 years to determine the actual REAL impact the 12 million have on social services and tax base. Allow further immigration based on economic and education stratas allowing ratios of all classes to a FINITE number. Once that number is hit for the year, NO MORE IMMIGRATION for that year. And again, be vigilant of people who overstay tourist/student visas and cross borders illegally. Raid known businesses that tend to hire illegal immigrants. Punish employers who hire illegal workers with hefty fines.
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I dont want to gve blanket amnesty to all 12 million... I want most to have the opportunity for citizenship...with penalties, recognizing that they came here illegally ahead of others who played by the rules but that they have been contributing to the country and the economy in a postive way.
"Our assumption is that about three-quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes," said Stephen C. Goss, Social Security's chief actuary, using the agency's term for illegal immigration.And absolutely, tougher penalties and fines on employers as well as SERIOUS border security to prevent FURTHER people from just walking over. Aside from that,I generally like our current policy of allowing about 1 million/yr - based on quotas from countries of origin and factors like family connections, meeting our employment needs, and/or need for personal asylum. I just dont see what name-calling, misrepresentations and generalizations about the illegal immigration problem accomplishes.
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Again, if they came here LEGALLY and I was looking down upon them I'm in agreement with you. I don't understand how someone could do that. But to not have disdain for those who came illegally, sorry, not in my backyard, you can open your home to them.
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And for the record, no, I do not get ANYTHING for free. My parents paid the price to come here illegally (including selling everything they owned...it's not as easy as some seem to think), after they applied legally and nothing was done. They work hard and pay taxes, as they have always done. When they got the opportunity they both got naturalized, and my mother became a US citizen. I paid taxes the moment I started working and I continue to pay taxes. I've not been given ANYTHING for free since the day I was born. You see, we aren't that much different after all. |
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My parents didn't have family here. They came here ALONE. In fact they even met here and married after 30 days. They didn't have country to back them up, they didn't have family, or even a home. My father came here with some money in his pocket and brains in his head. My mother came here with some savings and much needed skills in the healthcare industry. See you came here illegally and by luck of the draw the magic wand was waved and your crime was "wiped away." You are fortunate, equally as fortunate as me to have been born in the United States. That is just plain luck. Life is not fair, we don't get to pick where we are born or what family circumstances will surround us. No that's just luck of the draw. No my parents did not come here illegally. Other family members did not do that. They waited YEARS to come here, being petitioned over and over by various family members until they were finally approved. In my opinion if I were to rob someone and take that money and buy lottery tickets and win millions of dollars, ALL that winnings is tainted by the fact that it was born of something illegal. So again, you are fortunate that something happened to make you legitimate and eventually a citizen. That's wonderful, but for those still out there as illegals everything they do in my opinion is tainted by the false premise and pretense they started here with, committing the crime of immigrating here illegally.
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Pardon me, djtestudo, but I honestly don't see what's the relevance of the situation you're giving me. Could you elaborate a little bit more?
On a side note, I didn't particularly like the analogy you proposed on the second page of this thread. The reason I didn't like it is that right from the get-go, the "bad guy" from the analogy is breaking into the resort, and stealing the food and comfort. So from the very begging, you're already shining a light of immorality onto those, and I don't think this is the case at all. Maybe it's just that we see things differently...We come from different backgrounds, it's to be expected. Here's an analogy I've come up with which I think is more fitting: _____________ You're in a small village, in which a man (lets call him Tom) is responsible for providing the people with cherries. Consequently, he owns may, many cherry trees. He can't possible pick them all. Because of this, whenever anyone comes around and asks for money, Tom instruct them to pick a few cherries, and then he will pay them money. Of course, he make more profit from a basket of cherries than do the people who pick them for him. All Tom asks is that people sign a sheet, so that he has a record of who has worked for him. Tom's a fair employer, and word of him crosses from village to village. Every once in a while, a poor, illiterate straggler from one of the poorer villages, having heard of what Tom does, will come around and pick cherries without signing the sheet (remember he's illiterate), but always gives Tom the full baskets, and Tom pays him respectively. ____________ I know it's not perfect, but I feel it's more accurate than the hotel one. Yes, the straggler IS breaking the rules, but he isn't stealing anything (like illegal immigrants aren't necessarily stealing anything). And if the straggler uses the money to pay for his family to eat, where's the harm? |
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_________ Cuba's a communist state. None of my dad's friends had "jobs". They would all steal from others and shops so they could sell the loot and make money. But not my father...No, he made shoes. He tells me his shoes were famous around the town and a little further. One day the government came and decided they didn't want him making shoes for money any more, so they took all his equipment, his stocks of leather, and everything he had invested in his business. What was he to do? At this point, he was supporting me (3 yrs old), my mother, and TWO daughters (1 and 12 yrs old). He filed the papers for immigration after his cache of money ran out, and so did my grand-aunt, who was here in the States at the time. Family and friends were able to help us with food and shelter while we waited for our vessel. MONTHS went by, we had no money, then the people who were helping us ran into problems of their own. We were literally living in a space not much bigger than 5 x 9 ft. FEET. For all six of us (my father showed me the space last time I visited Cuba. The opportunity presented itself where we were able to escape, and my father took it. If we hadn't left, who knows what would've happened? After all, the only people who could help us at the time fell into their own hardship, so we were on our own, with not so much as a mound of dirt to sleep on. According to my father, concrete is not very comfortable... __________ So what was the solution? Commit to a life of crime to make enough money for food (which is very illegal, and immoral to the core, and harms many innocent people)? Or illegally go to another country where you can give your family future? Yeah, life isn't fair, but that doesn't just mean give up, and damn your family of 5 just because you fall under hard times. Sometimes it isn't as simple as "Just wait YEARS for your chance to come." That's the whole point I've been trying to make... Last edited by archetypal fool; 04-04-2007 at 07:15 PM.. |
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That is why the hotel analogy works; they want the same advantages everyone else get, but don't want to follow the same rules as everyone else to get them. My second analogy goes towards your point about different situations calling for different views on punishment. However, whereas you used several unrelated situations, I gave you two identical crimes separated only by the reasoning behind them (lazy criminal vs. starving family).
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You seem to have missed an interesting post above by dc_dux. Check out his source, I learned things I didn't know before.
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And as for your most recent analogy, I'll emphasize again that sneaking into this country IS ILLEGAL. Anyone caught doing is is braking the law. I'm not arguing for/against punishment for the act. Nor am I implying that it's any more legal for one situation than it is for another. But I'm not going to sit around and let some people continue regarding illegal immigrants as parasites, or a shit of a people, or selfish entities withing the country, or people who want to change this country to give them better benefits, or any thing like that, because simply, I don't believe this is the case. So to explicitly answer your question, both should be punished equally. I can see where you can use my previous "morality" argument for this case, since using the "morality" argument, you'd expect me to say that the criminal doing it to save his starving family is somewhat justified. This isn't the case though. Mugging someone is directly affecting that person, and hurting that person. My previous "morality" argument only holds water if the person is acting morally (as is usually the case with those who choose to come here illegally). Therefor, if I was mugged by the latter mugger from you analogy, it isn't justified. It's directly stealing, which isn't the case with illegal immigration. Quote:
Children are much more capable of learning languages. They have a propensity for it, in fact. In Matt Ridley's book "Genome", he sites a particularly interesting case where children, when brought up in a situation where many different languages are used frequently by people who don't speak them all (imagine an island with 1000 people, 20% English, 20% Spanish, 20% Arabic, 20% Asian, and 20% African, all interacting together daily...The case was similar), synthesized a more efficient language, composed of all the languages. Each generation created a better and better language. It's truly amazing. For the same reason, it's harder for adults to learn things like languages. The proverbial roots have already been anchored. Last edited by archetypal fool; 04-04-2007 at 09:24 PM.. |
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I dont condone the act of using fake (not stolen) SS #s, and I blame the employer (who turns a blind eye) as much as the employee...but there is NO denying that illegal aliens contribute $billions to Social Security and Medicare.
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We agree that the government must come harder on employers, even those politicians who knowingly hire illegals as nannys and maids.
The enforcement record has been dismal. (We might also want to look into all those law-abiding citizens who work as wait staff, street vendors, etc. about reporting their real income.)
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What do I think would happen if the US tried to get all illegals out immediately? Mass riots, infrastructure (shipping, agriculture, etc.) would start to collapse in many places in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, Texas, Oklahoma, and elsewhere, GSP (gross state product) would drop off considerably in the aforementioned states, this would quickly spread as all the lower 48 are in a symbiotic economic relationship. Because things are so instable now, this could trigger a depression. |
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Sorry will, I walk past about 15 homeless people every day. I'm not going to give them anything. NYC has plenty of programs to assist them. The area I live in has plenty of homeless.
Getting badgered 15 times in the morning and 15 times at night just so that I can go to work and come home is not very exciting nor does it inspire me to assist them. Yep, you go to work in your car protected by metal and glass listening to your morning radio show or your MP3s. I'm sorry 16 years of being hit up for money each and every place I go to, sorry. No. No sympathy, no empathy, I've hung out with homeless and street urchins, you know as well as I do that people are there mostly because they want to. When I was in SF in January I was surprised how many homeless there were in Union Square, but then again, people pay them to stay there. this article in 1999 highlights it well: Quote:
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If I give to organizations and assist my local charities like Henry Street Settlement and I don't give to the local fuckard who'd rather stay on the streets because of drug addition and alcholism makes me a bad person? Because that's what your implication is. I don't assume I know anything, in fact, I'm the first to admit I know nothing. I've not made any assumptions in this thread but speak from my FIRST HAND experience however that comes. I'm sorry my friend, it is YOU who is on a soap box. To tie this back into the OP, it's MY parents who immigrated here. It is me who had to sleep on the floor because I had relatives who were trying to move to the US legally. It is ME who has disdain for those people who care not to follow the immigration laws. It is YOU who speaks on a soap box preaching you know how it is because you housed and fed them once in your past. YOU preaching how bad it is in Mexico with high unemployment and poor educational system. YOU preaching how altruistic you are. No my friend, I think you need to see where your feet are standing, it seems to look like a soap box to me.
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There's only one solution and it is not amnesty to the ILLEGALS, again they committed a crime and they are slapping everyone who sacrificed, worked and did what they had to to become citizens.
The solution is for enough people to vote for politicians that will change the immigration laws. Until then, I expect and want a government that will take this seriously, fine those that hire them, deport those they catch and tighten our borders so that it makes it harder to come in ILLEGALLY. We pay BILLIONS of our hard earned tax dollars going to prop up hospitals so that they can help ILLEGALS meanwhile if you are a citizen good luck getting so much as a band aid from a hospital without insurance or in a deathly situation. And what of the people who jam into trucks with very little air circulation? That's ok? That's what you condone when you allow ILLEGAL immigration. But I'm the bad guy, I'm the uninformed, I'm the one that is insensitive, the one ya all like to want to attack.... I think ya all are a bunch of fucking hypocrites. You sit there and shake your head and say "where's you humanity, you self righteous, racist, neo nazistic, KKK, white supremicist xenophobe...... I guess you're right, I am all of the above, but at least I have maintained a solid stance the whole way through instead of backtracking and at first saying... "Illegals are doing what they have to... but I don't condone their behavior.... but I accept them... but what they did is wrong.... but they had no choice...." I guess instead of helping them better their own countries and working on spreading freedom to other countries.... we'd rather just bring everyone here. But they are poor and have no power and voices in their lands.... Bullshit, throughout the history of man it's been the poor, the weak and the underdogs that have had enough that raise up and change their governments. We are not giving them help, we are just absorbing problems and divisiveness instead of working on a lasting solution. But keep letting ILLEGALS pile up into poorly circulated trucks and die of suffocation, load up on rafts and drown when it overturns... and keep believing that I'm the bad guy and you are the true humanitarian because you see these people as people. Good luck with that.
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04-05-2007, 11:31 AM | #156 (permalink) |
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I'm not going to sit and parse out your previous statements people can look for themselves for where you stated that you did it before but could no longer, yet now you claim that you are still doing it.
Again, if you are doing it and it helps you sleep better at night to help out your friendly illegal immigrant, great, more power to you. Continue to give his/her friends reasons to come here since there are so many other people here willing to open their homes and businesses to them. If there are more people like you housing illegal aliens, IMO you are aiding and abetting a criminal. I would hope that if they toughen the laws for employers that they also toughen laws for people who aid and abet illegals from securing documents to housing and feeding them if they are not registered non profit organizations. You may say that it's about altruism and sympathy for those less fortunate. Great. Wonderful for you. If that's what gets you through the night if what you've listed in your past is really your past, wonderful if that's how you need to make amends to the world great. However, I'm not interested in it and I'm not interested in comforting someone who came over here illegally. In fact, I'd be happy to help them arrange a free trip back to their homeland if they are homesick.
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I never would provide anyone with illegal documents or anything of the sort. As for the non-profit thing, you don't need to be a non-profit organization to allow someone to sleep at your house and eat your food. Aiding and abetting a criminal? Not really. That'd be like blaming someone for giving a homeless guy who happens to have broken the law a dollar. Also, I support non-violent civil disobedience in order to bring about positive political change. Were you serious when you said that you think homeless people want to be homeless? |
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04-05-2007, 12:08 PM | #158 (permalink) | |
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I thought that you volunteered, in the soup kitchen, helping to feed the homeless. You would know that...not?
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04-05-2007, 12:19 PM | #159 (permalink) | |
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04-05-2007, 12:27 PM | #160 (permalink) | ||
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will yes, I am serious. there are homeless people out there who would rather be homeless. did you not read the NYtime article I posted?
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If you believe what you are doing is great. Wonderful! Keep doing it. Just don't ask me for help for it because I don't choose that lifestyle for myself. My parents came here to give me a better life than they had and persue the "American Dream." No where have I read nor seen anything that states my part of the American dream is to hold out my hand and help someone else who came here illegally.
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