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dksuddeth · 01-03-2007, 02:04 PM

Your penguins owners are looking for more of your money. I wonder how many pittsburgh citizens will be displaced or deprived of their property?

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_486159.html

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Penguins owners agreed to meet next week with Gov. Ed Rendell and local leaders to talk about how to pay for an Uptown arena that could keep the team in Pittsburgh, according to a letter they sent Thursday evening.
Owners Mario Lemieux and Ronald Burkle warned that "time is of the essence" and said they are "in the process of exploring all of our options." The Penguins' lease at Mellon Arena expires in June, and team officials have said they will consider relocating.

"It is essential for the future of this franchise that we negotiate an arena deal that makes economic sense for the long term," the owners wrote.

Team officials were responding to a request from Rendell, Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl and Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato for a meeting next Thursday, when Rendell comes to town. The elected officials said they want to have an arena deal in place by March 31.

Lemieux and Burkle said in their letter that the team needs an answer "well in advance" of that deadline.

Megan Dardanell, spokeswoman for Onorato, welcomed the team's quick response.

"That's just obviously what we were hoping would happen," she said.

The elected officials' letter originated with Rendell's office, but Ravenstahl and Onorato helped draft it. Rendell spokeswoman Kate Philips and Ravenstahl spokesman Dick Skrinjar declined comment on the letter, dated Wednesday.

"We remain solidly committed to keeping the Penguins at home in Pittsburgh," Rendell, Ravenstahl and Onorato wrote. "We believe the time has come for those discussions to begin and to proceed in an expeditious manner."

The Penguins had partnered with St. Louis-based Isle of Capri Casinos, which offered to pay $290 million for an arena if it won the slots license for Pittsburgh.

Isle of Capri is in the process of releasing the hockey team from its obligation not to discuss an alternate arena plan.

"It's merely a formality at this point," said spokesman Les McMackin. "We're certainly not holding it up right now."

In their letter, the elected officials reiterated the 30-year, $290 million arena deal -- often called Plan B -- that they first presented in March:

= Majestic Star Casino, which won the slots license, would pay $7.5 million a year toward the arena.

= The state would provide $7 million a year from an economic development fund backed by slots money.

= The team would have to pay, too -- $8.5 million upfront and $2.9 million a year, while forgoing $1.16 million a year in naming rights.

"We appreciate the positive tone of your recent public comments and look forward to seeing what has been described as a plan that is significantly better than the original 'Plan B,' " Lemieux and Burkle wrote.

They asked for the meeting to take place in the late afternoon and to include team President Ken Sawyer and consultants David Morehouse and Chuck Greenberg.

The city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority owns the land for an Uptown arena and plans to begin demolishing properties there next month. The authority expects to have the land ready for a groundbreaking before September.

"We have acquired the necessary land within the footprint designated by the Penguins and have continued to work on the design and financing plans," the elected officials wrote.

The_Jazz · 01-03-2007, 02:13 PM

DK - I'm not really a hockey fan, but I've been paying attention to this for a while. The Penguins have been trying to sell for a couple of years now, and they've been to the alter twice only to get stood up twice. There's real talk of moving the franchise because it's just not successful in Pittsburgh anymore. Attendance is down and salaries are up. Remember that the Penguins aren't the Steelers or even the Pirates, so they aren't doing as well as the other two franchises in town (that also have money and attendance problems, btw).

Also, did you read the last line of the article that you posted that said that the land has already been acquired? There's no mention of disgruntled homeowners in the article, so your comment is pure speculation I think.

I expect that this thread will be closed shortly for lack of any discussion in the OP.

dksuddeth · 01-03-2007, 02:20 PM

I confess, I didn't read the whole article. Having seen what the new cowboys stadium deal did to many homeowners in Arlington, TX last year, I jumped to the conclusion that land grabs would soon be happening. By the last line of the article, I can only assume two things....that they found empty public lands to use or they've already used eminent domain proceedings to acquire said land and nobody made a fuss out of it. It also wouldn't surprise me much to see the same thing happen to the people of pittsburgh, that happened to the people of arlington after the texas rangers ball field deal that GW brokered....a 7 million dollar unpaid debt.

The_Jazz · 01-03-2007, 02:35 PM

There's a big difference between the Rangers and the Penguins - attendance. People still go to Rangers games. They don't go to Penguins games. The attendence for the NHL is way down across the board, and it's even farther off in smaller markets, especially when the team isn't doing well - like the Penguins.

And I'll absolutely agree that Texans got fucked by both the Cowboys and the Rangers. Both of them are two of the most successful (monetarily) franchises in their respective sports, and there was no need for the deals they got.

It looks like the Penguins might get a sweetheart deal from Kansas City.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

This does a better job of explaining their situation than I did.

01-03-2007, 02:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	DK - I'm not really a hockey fan, but I've been paying attention to this for a while. The Penguins have been trying to sell for a couple of years now, and they've been to the alter twice only to get stood up twice. There's real talk of moving the franchise because it's just not successful in Pittsburgh anymore. Attendance is down and salaries are up. Remember that the Penguins aren't the Steelers or even the Pirates, so they aren't doing as well as the other two franchises in town (that also have money and attendance problems, btw). Also, did you read the last line of the article that you posted that said that the land has already been acquired? There's no mention of disgruntled homeowners in the article, so your comment is pure speculation I think. I expect that this thread will be closed shortly for lack of any discussion in the OP. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

01-03-2007, 02:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
dksuddeth Junkie Location: bedford, tx	I confess, I didn't read the whole article. Having seen what the new cowboys stadium deal did to many homeowners in Arlington, TX last year, I jumped to the conclusion that land grabs would soon be happening. By the last line of the article, I can only assume two things....that they found empty public lands to use or they've already used eminent domain proceedings to acquire said land and nobody made a fuss out of it. It also wouldn't surprise me much to see the same thing happen to the people of pittsburgh, that happened to the people of arlington after the texas rangers ball field deal that GW brokered....a 7 million dollar unpaid debt. __________________ "no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything. You cannot conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him."

01-03-2007, 02:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	There's a big difference between the Rangers and the Penguins - attendance. People still go to Rangers games. They don't go to Penguins games. The attendence for the NHL is way down across the board, and it's even farther off in smaller markets, especially when the team isn't doing well - like the Penguins. And I'll absolutely agree that Texans got fucked by both the Cowboys and the Rangers. Both of them are two of the most successful (monetarily) franchises in their respective sports, and there was no need for the deals they got. It looks like the Penguins might get a sweetheart deal from Kansas City. http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns This does a better job of explaining their situation than I did. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo Last edited by The_Jazz; 01-04-2007 at 12:56 PM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost