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Old 10-30-2006, 11:20 AM   #81 (permalink)
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In Missouri, there is a running political battle between religious zealots who are trying to transform that state into a "Jesus Land". Michael J. Fox is interested in all Americans enjoying the same potential for medical research breakthroughs to bring relief from symptoms of illness, and to reverse deterioration and death that too often is the result of disease that medicine has inadequate or no treatment for.

<h3>That is his "agenda"....what is yours? Why are you posting a repetition of earlier attacks on Michael J. Fox, here, and by Rush Limbaugh?</h3>

<b>Why not add to this discussion, instead of attacking Michael J. Fox? Your post and others of similar vein are unseemly. You're attacking a very ill man with an incurable disease who is using his celebrity to attempt to counter the political influence and activities of religious zealots who have abridged the access to medical research, medical appliances, medicine, hygenic education, and to safe, approved, medical procedures that their relgious beliefs influence them to object to and motivate them to attempt other people from receiving.....IMO, Michael J. Fox is being much too polite in his response to the efforts and the propagandizing of these misguided, ignorant, selfish, and religiously intolerant people. In Missouri, they've already succeeded in keeping birth control options from the working poor.....options routinely offered in many other states to low income workers who are poor, but do not qualify for medicaid..... aid that was offered in Missouri clinics before these religiously energized folks were elected to the state legislature....</b>
Holy shit. Enough hate in this post or what?

How dare you sit there and accuse me and others of "attacking" MJF when all we are doing is pointing out his inconsistency AND the inconsistency of Amendment 2, which is about human cloning.

Sick though he may be, he entered the political arena uninformed about the candidates' positions. Pointing that out is not attacking him. Somehow I doubt you would use kid gloves with Limbaugh if the situation were reversed and he was doing a commercial about prescription pain meds or some such BS.

You and others are clearly the ones with an ax to grind when it comes to people who are opposed to killing babies for stem cells. Your post appears to be nice and tidy, but those issues are NOT very tidy at all. There are many facets to things like stem cell research and abortion.

You continue to berate certain people here who have beliefs different from yours. You had better expect a vigorous response when you distort the issues and spew untruths.
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Old 10-30-2006, 11:28 AM   #82 (permalink)
 
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...all we are doing is pointing out his inconsistency AND the inconsistency of Amendment 2, which is about human cloning.
I would only suggest that your assessment that Amendment 2 is about human cloning is just that -- AN OPINION based on your interpretation of the initiative. There are other interpretations by medical and bio-ethic experts that are equally valid.

It is also a shame the blog reference in your earlier post did not present the complete ABC interview with Michael J. Fox:

http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/story?id=2613377&page=1

He demostrated alot more tolerance and understanding of those who dont share his position than I have seen demonstrated by those who characterize any embryonic stem cell research as "baby killing."
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Old 10-30-2006, 11:31 AM   #83 (permalink)
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I would only suggest that your assessment that Amendment 2 is about human cloning is just that -- AN OPINION based on your interpretation of the initiative. There are other interpretations by medical and bio-ethic experts that are equally valid.
Indeed, I did not mean to imply that it is solely about human cloning.
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Old 10-30-2006, 12:15 PM   #84 (permalink)
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You and others are clearly the ones with an ax to grind when it comes to people who are opposed to killing babies for stem cells. Your post appears to be nice and tidy, but those issues are NOT very tidy at all. There are many facets to things like stem cell research and abortion.
Killing babies for stem cells? Are you kidding me? Stem cells for research are made by the same method that is used for in vitro fertilization. When someone goes to the fertility clinic, does some right-winger say that they are killing babies to make a baby?
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Killing babies for stem cells? Are you kidding me? Stem cells for research are made by the same method that is used for in vitro fertilization. When someone goes to the fertility clinic, does some right-winger say that they are killing babies to make a baby?
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Old 10-30-2006, 12:29 PM   #86 (permalink)
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The rather funny thing in all this I didn't bring up is that there may not even be a need to harvest fertlized cells as there are already stemcell lines out there. These are the pluripotent cell types.

The best cells for curing disease would come from fetuses which are further developed. We don't really understand what makes a liver become a liver, but if you had a fetus at the exact stage the liver started to form, those cells would be most valueable to study.

The pluripotent stem cell research is really just that, pure research. I'd put more money on adult stem cells for curing SOME disease, and for the fetal ones for curing many diseases.

My thoughts though is that once using the basic stem cell lines are 'accepted' the next step will be to use fetal cells. THAT is going to be a fun debate.

If of course you believe life begins at conception, then its all a moot point.
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Old 10-30-2006, 12:39 PM   #87 (permalink)
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The rather funny thing in all this I didn't bring up is that there may not even be a need to harvest fertlized cells as there are already stemcell lines out there. These are the pluripotent cell types.....
Is your point compatible with these:

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http://www.newscientist.com/channel/...n-disease.html
Stem cell trial to combat childhood brain disease

* 12:13 25 September 2006
* NewScientist.com news service
* Helen Phillips

The first clinical safety trial of a purified human fetal stem cell product is about to begin in the US for a rare and fatal childhood brain disease. The trial could pave the way for neural stem cell transplants to treat a range of brain and spinal cord disorders....

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The team expect to treat the first child before the end of 2006. The children will receive injections of neural stem cells that have been purified – isolated from other cell types – and grown from donated human fetal tissue. The stem cell product and isolation technique was developed by StemCells Inc, of Palo Alto, California, which is sponsoring the trial.

Children with Batten’s disease suffer seizures, motor control disturbances, blindness and communication problems. As many as 600 children in the US are currently diagnosed with the condition – death can occur in children as young as 8 years old.....
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Stem Cells & Cloning
Testimony on Stem Cell Research Before the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions


Presented by Douglas Melton, Ph.D.

Thomas Dudley Cabot Professor in the Natural Sciences at Harvard University
Investigator in the Howard Hughes Medical Institute
September 5, 2001

....President Bush's plan for sixty embryonic cell lines
President Bush has made clear his commitment to support research on human embryonic stem cells, highlighting the importance of this research. The President's plan provides the opportunity to advance embryonic stem cell research in the US, at least for a few years, and as such his plan marks an important commitment. The Honorable Tommy Thompson has worked diligently for this research and his continued leadership will be critical in moving forward with the President's plan.

For this field the date of the President's speech, 9 August 2001, is important because only stem cell lines in existence at that time, estimated to be about sixty, are eligible for federal support. This date was not chosen for scientific reasons and its arbitrary selection will have an effect on the progress of research. For example, it will not be possible for federally funded researchers to explore new ways to derive human embryonic stem cells nor work with cells that have been isolated without possible contamination from mouse or other supporting cells. Nevertheless, it is now possible for the nation's researchers to initiate studies on how embryonic stem (ES) cells differentiate and we can begin to explore their therapeutic potential.

Looking ahead to how the plan will work, I turn to two issues: the quality of the sixty cell lines and their access or availability.

Quality of the human embryonic stem cell lines
Scientists are, by their nature, inquisitive and skeptical and we hold dear the practice of publishing results following an independent review by qualified experts. Moreover, by publishing results, scientists generally agree that the reagents reported, including cells, are available to be shared with the research community. In this way results can be independently verified and new directions and discoveries can be explored. In the present case, only a handful of the sixty+ embryonic cell lines have been published so it is not yet possible to evaluate or comment on the quality of cells. Nonetheless, legitimate scientific questions about the growth, differentiation potential, age, and purity of the lines must be considered. Decades of experience with mouse embryonic stem cells have shown that ES cells can lose their differentiation potential, become contaminated, accumulate mutations, and tend toward spontaneous or uncontrolled differentiation. The fact that mouse ES cells lose their full potential with increasing age or passage number is only one reason to believe that the sixty+ cell lines will not be sufficient for the years of research required to investigate therapies with these cells. Looking ahead to clinical applications, including transplantation and the problem of immunological rejection, there will certainly be a need for broader genetic diversity of cell lines. There may also be a need for cell lines that have been isolated without the use of mouse feeder layers.

I hasten to add that I am not criticizing the NIH nor the scientists who have reported the isolation of the sixty human embryonic stem cell lines. Indeed, the scientists have not published their work and they may well wish to further characterize the cells before doing so. It is therefore too early to tell how many of the sixty+ lines are truly useful embryonic stem cell lines. Preliminary indications from press reports do suggest that the final number will be significantly less than sixty. If the available lines have been grown extensively and have a high passage number that will further reduce their value.....
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Old 11-03-2006, 05:18 PM   #88 (permalink)
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I remember reading an article on an experiment that may have sucessfully turned human skin cells into stem cells (I'll keep searching for the article).

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Scientists have turned an ordinary skin cell into what appears to be an embryonic stem cell. The process may eventually eliminate the controversial step of destroying human embryos for stem cell research.

The new technique involves fusing a skin cell with an existing, laboratory-grown embryonic stem cell. The fused, or hybrid, cell is "reprogrammed" to its embryonic state, Harvard University scientists report in the journal Science.

Their paper was published Sunday on the journal's Web site.

The breakthrough may one day quell the debate over stem cell research. But team member Kevin Eggan said the technology is still in early stages and is not a replacement for methods currently used to derive embryonic stem cells.

"This is just beginning of this system," he told reporters in a conference call.

Embryonic stem cells are unspecialized cells. They can grow into any type of cell found in our body.

Scientists hope embryonic stem cells can eventually be used to grow new tissue and replacement organs and to cure a range of ailments, from spinal cord injuries to Alzheimer's disease.

To study embryonic stem cells, researchers developed cell lines from stem cells, which were initially harvested from fertilized human eggs, such as those leftover from in vitro fertilization.

Because harvesting destroys the embryo, in the United States the practice has drawn the ire of many religious conservatives who regard destroying embryos as a form of murder.

New Way

The Harvard research suggests a new way to create embryonic stem cells that may one day eliminate the need to destroy fertilized human eggs.

The new type of stem cells is essentially a rejuvenated version of a person's own skin cells. A stem cell created by the new method would have DNA identical to that of the skin cell donor.
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Scientists Discover Key to Growing New Stem Cells

Scientists at Duke University Medical Center have demonstrated they can grow human stem cells in the laboratory by blocking an enzyme that naturally triggers stem cells to mature and differentiate into specialized cells.

The discovery may enable scientists to rapidly grow stem cells and transplant them into patients with blood disorders, immune defects and select genetic diseases, said the Duke researchers.

Stem cells are the most flexible cells in the body, continually dividing into new stem cells or into specialized cells that carry out specific roles in the body. But little is known about how stem cells choose their fate. The Duke team focused on "hematopoietic" or blood stem cells.

In their study, the investigators discovered that an enzyme, aldehyde dehydrogenase (ALDH), stimulates hematopoietic stem cells to mature and transform into blood or immune cells, a process called differentiation. They inhibited this enzyme in stem cell cultures and successfully increased the number of stem cells by 3.4 fold. Moreover, they demonstrated the new stem cells were capable of fully rebuilding the blood-forming and immune systems of immune-deficient mice.

Results of the study are published on line and will be published in the August 10, 2006, issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

"Our ability to treat human diseases is limited by our knowledge of how human stem cells determine their fate -- that is, whether they maintain their ability to self-renew or whether they go on to become specialized cells," said John Chute, M.D., associate professor of medicine in the Duke Adult Bone Marrow and Stem Cell Transplant Program. "Unraveling the pathways that regulate self-renewal or differentiation in human stem cells can facilitate our ability to expand the growth of human stem cells for therapeutic uses."

Currently, patients who require stem cell transplants are given either bone marrow from adult donors, umbilical cord blood derived from newborn babies, or stem cells from blood. But stem cells are scarce, representing less than 0.01 percent of the bone marrow cell population. Likewise, cord blood units frequently lack sufficient numbers of stem cells to rebuild a patient's decimated immune system.

Efforts to grow human hematopoietic stem cells in the laboratory have proven extraordinarily difficult, Chute said, because growth factors in culture make stem cells rapidly differentiate. The scientists searched for ways to block a stem cell's natural propensity to differentiate without promoting uncontrolled growth.

The researchers focused on the ALDH enzyme because it is a telltale "marker" that distinguishes stem cells from other blood and immune cells. Moreover, it is known to play an essential role in the body's production of retinoic acids, which regulate cell differentiation in a variety of tissues. Yet how ALDH functions in stem cells remained unknown, Chute said.

The scientists began by analyzing how stem cells behave under normal circumstances when grown in culture. They mixed together purified human stem cells with growth factors that induce stem cells to mature and differentiate. As expected, the stem cells showed a marked decline in number as they differentiated into other types of specialized cells. By day seven, all stem cells had disappeared from culture.

The scientists then added an inhibitor of ALDH to the stem cell cultures, and they found that half of the stem cells maintained their immature and undifferentiated status. Moreover, adding the inhibitor caused a 3.4-fold increase in stem cell numbers within seven days.

Next, the scientists transplanted the cultured stem cells into immune-deficient mice to determine how the stem cells would behave. The new population of stem cells migrated to the bone marrow as expected and successfully "engrafted," or took hold in the bone marrow, where they began to produce new blood and immune cells.

"ALDH appears to play a fundamental role in the differentiation program of human hematopoietic stem cells," Chute said. "Inhibition of this enzyme facilitates the expansion of human hematopoietic stem cells in culture."

Chute said their results reveal a unique role for both ALDH and the process of retinoic acid signaling in human stem cells. Chute and colleague Donald McDonnell, Ph.D., professor of pharmacology and cancer biology, are currently testing whether they can directly block the retinoic acid receptors in stem cells and produce a comparable expansion of human stem cells.

The investigators plan to develop a clinical trial to test their approach to expand human stem cells for therapeutic purposes.

Source: Duke University Medical Center
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Stem cells engage in dialogue with cells that regulate their future



These two images show fruit fly stem cells (orange/pink stained cells) in their niche (first image) and leaving their niche (second image). Note the orderly manner in which the stem cells line up and then leave the niche.
Dialogue, not a monologue, is the basis of all good communication. Stem cells are no exception. Recent University of Washington (UW) research has found an early indication of two-way cellular communication. This two-way cell-to-cell signaling occurs in the miniscule niches of the body where the futures of stem cells are determined.

Stem cells require these niches - nest-like microenvironments made up of regulatory cells -- in order to self-renew. Stem cells can divide and turn into many types of new cells. The niches help regulate the amount and kinds of new cells produced to meet current demands.

The niches also help maintain a supply of stem cells for later use. Inside your body, for example, there are separate niches for stem cells that will become blood, for cells that will become skin, and so on. Niches are places where your stem cells can replenish themselves and your tissue cells throughout your lifetime.

Problems in the niches can lead to diseases in the body. For example, if cell multiplication in a niche gets out of hand, cancer might form. A decline in cell production might contribute to the frailty of old age.

While a few stem-cell niches have been known for a long time, what's been harder to discover are the characteristics of the cells making up these niches and how they make it possible for stem cells to do their job. Signaling between cells in the niche plays a role in stem-cell upkeep and development. Most research has focused on the signaling of niche cells to stem cells.

"We looked at the possibility that two-way communication exists between stem cells and niche cells,"said UW stem-cell niche researcher Hannele Ruohola-Baker, professor of biochemistry and a member of the UW Institute for Stem Cell and Regenerative Medicine. "Demonstrating that stem cells can contribute to niche function has far-reaching consequences for stem-cell therapies and may provide insight on how cancer might spread throughout the body via populations of cancer stem cells.”

Ruohola-Baker added that stem cells hold high hope in regenerative medicine: tapping into the ways cells repair the body to create therapies to fix or replace injured tissues. She mentioned that it is thought that most, if not all, adult tissues contain stem cells.

Through self-renewing division,"she explained, "stem cells replenish the stem cell pool. They also produce progeny that change into other, specialized cells. Importantly, stem cells have the capacity to divide throughout the life of an organism. They do so through regulated external stimuli that may initiate from stem cells. This regulation of cell division needs to be tightly controlled."Too little division results in poor maintenance of tissues, while too much can result in tumors or other malignancies.

Her lab used the germline stem cell niche, found in the ovaries of fruit flies, as a model system. The production of fruit fly eggs depends on the presence of a renewable source of stem cells in the ovary of the adult fruit fly.

Inside the fruit fly ovary are structures called germarium which contain tiny cradles made of cap cells that nurture stem cells. Each such cradle contains two to three stem cells preparing to become fly eggs that are cuddled in a niche composed of three to six cap cells. Cap cells adhere to stem cells and this close contact may allow cap cells to play critical roles in communicating with stem cells.

The research team looked at a kind of signaling that usually depends on direct contact between cells, called the Notch pathway. The Notch protein is like a trigger poking out of a cell that can activate a mechanism inside the cell. When this trigger is pulled by proteins, called Delta and Serrate, from another cell, proteins are freed inside the cell to travel to the cell nucleus and turn on various genes.

According to Ruohula-Baker, the Notch pathway plays an important role in many stem-cell niches, including those in the blood system, gut, breasts, and muscles. However, in many cases it hasn't been clear which cells send and which ones receive the signaling protein.

The UW researchers analyzed the role of the Notch signaling pathway in both the stem cells and the cap cells. They found that either an increased production of Delta protein in the stem cells, or the presence of activated Notch protein in niche cells, resulted in up to 10 times the normal number of niche cells. These extra niche cells in turn resulted in a larger population of stem cells.

On the other hand, when stem cells don't produce functional Delta protein, they cease to be stem cells and soon leave the niche. The researchers also found that the receiving end for the Notch pathway, the trigger, is required in the niche cells, making them receivers of signals, not just senders. Work by other scientists had shown that TCF-beta signaling from niche cells is required to maintain active stem cells.

"Our study now shows that stem cells use the Notch pathway to signal to neighboring cells to maintain an active niche, and in turn, the niche induces and maintains the fate of the stem cells,"Ruohola-Baker noted. "This is a first indication of a dialogue taking place between the stem cells and the niche that supports them. It is tempting to speculate that maybe multiple potential niches exist for stem cells in our bodies that can be turned on to action when signaling stem cells are in the neighborhood. It may very well be that the power of cancer cells to spread comes from this natural ability of stem cells to make a home when in a hospitable environment. We all need a home, and stem cells with their strong survival instinct are active homebuilders.”

The study will appear in the Dec. 5 issue of Current Biology, but is already online at the journal Web site. The research was supported by grants from the American Heart Association, the National Institutes of Health, and the American Cancer Society.

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Scientists at an English university have grown a miniature artificial human liver in a major medical breakthrough, British media reported Tuesday.

It is hoped mini-livers could be used to test drugs, reducing the need for animal experiments, help repair damaged livers and eventually produce entire organs for lifesaving transplants, the Daily Mail newspaper reported.

The organ, which is about the size of a thumbnail, was grown using stemcells in blood taken from umbilical cords.

Professor Colin McGuckin, who specializes in regenerative medicine, made the breakthrough with Doctor Nico Forraz at Newcastle University in northeast England.

While other scientists have created liver cells, the Newcastle team are the first to create sizeable sections of tissue from stem cells from the umbilical cord, the Daily Mail said.

The pair extracted blood from the umbilical cords of newborn babies. They were then placed in a "bioreactor" developed by NASA, which mimics the effects of weightlessness. This allows the cells to multiply more quickly.

Chemicals and hormones are then added to encourage the stem cells to turn into liver tissue.

"We take the stem cells from the umbilical cord blood and make small mini-livers," said McGuckin. "We then give them to pharmaceutical companies and they can use them to test new drugs on.

"When a drug company is developing a new drug it first tests it on human cells and then tests it on animals before beginning trials on humans," he said.

And he added: "Moving from testing on animals to humans is a massive leap and there is still a risk. But by using the mini-livers we have developed there is no need to test on animals or humans."

They could potentially be used like dialysis machines, buying time for a patient's liver to repair itself or for doctors to find a replacement liver.

Professor Ian Gilmore, a liver specialist at the Royal Liverpool Hospital in northwest England, told the BBC that the Newcastle team had made a "big ethical leap forward" in not requiring embryos to produce tissue.

"It is exciting because there is a real dearth of treatments available for people with liver disease," he said.

It is estimated that up to 10 percent of the British population have liver problems, mostly linked to lifestyle factors such as obesity and alcoholism, the BBC said.

© 2006 AFP

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