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Now that we have re established the bills authenticity, would anyone care to comment on their content?
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10-24-2006, 09:33 AM | #42 (permalink) | |
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No...it was not a "kill the messenger" thingy...it was an "expose the OP for the Repub misleading propaganda that it is" thingy.
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And I also said that they have virturally no support, and as a result, received no Congressional hearings and will cease to exist at the end of the current session. So, whats the point of further comment? Every member of Congress puts up bills that they know have no chance of passage...they are for show for the constituents back home. Would there be any value in me posting Repub bills that want prayer reinstated in public schools, "thought police" to monitor radio and tv, restriction on freedom of the press if it is critical of the country's actions during war, federal funding for abstinence only education and on and on.
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10-24-2006, 09:46 AM | #45 (permalink) | |
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Now I see where they're from. They ARE Republican smear talking points. Mystery solved. I note with some interest, NCB, your disinclination to follow the guidelines of this site. |
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10-24-2006, 09:48 AM | #46 (permalink) | ||
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10-24-2006, 09:51 AM | #47 (permalink) |
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Feel free to validate what you want in your own mind and carry on with your anti-socialist crusade as the rest of the country passes you by. That's what makes America great!
I am content to let others judge for themselves if your initial post has been "validated"
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10-24-2006, 09:56 AM | #48 (permalink) |
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The bickering ends...here...and now 'nuff said?
NCB...I think that the "issue" that many have, is not so much the existence of the bills in question, but rather the blatant spin that was placed upon them. And they were, most unquestionably...spun. Now...that we finally have a cited "source"...is there any further worthwhile discussion to be had here, or have we degraded well beyond that point?
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10-24-2006, 10:02 AM | #49 (permalink) |
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NCB, the description of the bills is clearly partisan. There's certainly a kernal of truth in what you posted, but that's the case in most propaganda. There's no shame in posting talking points, just own up to it, especially when someone questions you on it.
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10-24-2006, 11:17 AM | #52 (permalink) | ||
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10-24-2006, 04:06 PM | #53 (permalink) | |
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Some of us were having a discussion...
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I wouldn't suggest taking away a person's right to vote. Just make them pay 90-100% in taxes when they are 41 and 42 if they haven't served yet. |
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10-24-2006, 04:20 PM | #54 (permalink) |
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Starship Troopers. You vote when you serve. It was a dumb movie, and it's a dangerous idea.
I was born with a severe heart condition that prevents me from doing basic training. I cannot serve in any part of the military because I can't safely complete basic. So I guess Willravel doesn't get to vote. You're not an American if you don't go kill people, after all. |
10-24-2006, 04:43 PM | #55 (permalink) |
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That's not necessarily true. You can serve in other capacities. Not everyone in the military is some dashing maverick pilot, or heroic swift boat veteran.
The military still needs tech people, chaplains, trumpet players, cooks, analysts, administrators, teachers, lawyers, dentists (presumably what Ustwo would be doing), arms instructors (DK Suddeth?), intel collectors, data processors (Host?), journalists, PR people, secretaries, counselors, pyschologists.....and so on and so forth. I've wanted to join the Marines or the Navy but I don't know if I can make it past basic either. It's something I'm torn about. I'm also a pacifist, which is why I study war (totally for another thread). |
10-24-2006, 05:05 PM | #56 (permalink) |
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Willravel, a service requirement wouldn't be restricted to physically intensive positions. I suspect community service-type things like Americorps or Teach for America, or all sorts of other opportunities (as well as tons of non-combat military roles) would count.
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10-24-2006, 05:06 PM | #57 (permalink) |
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Well the fact that I'm a pacifist is secondary to the fact that I am technically disabled. The only musicians that can bypass basic are the President's Own, and I'm not a good enough trombonist to make it. Besides journalists, I'm almost certian that everyone you named above has to go through basic.
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10-24-2006, 05:59 PM | #58 (permalink) |
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Sure will, but I think the thrust of the bikk would mean that there would have to be new criteria or regulations regarding service. In theory of course. because for the so-called returning service members or older people suggested by others on the thread, I don't know if they could pass basic either. I mean think about it: if the bill were to include the majority and all facets of the population then they would have to alter the physical requirements in accordance to what type of role they would play, especially if it were non-combative.
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10-25-2006, 04:21 AM | #59 (permalink) |
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I don't see the military growing by that much if this bill was passed. There would be plenty of jobs that help others in your local community. Maybe a group of people could help immigrants learn english, some others could do basic home repair on elderly people's houses, others could feed the homeless or clean up parks.
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10-25-2006, 07:48 AM | #63 (permalink) |
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NCB.....The fact that you want to continue to focus on these dead-end bills (yes, I agree with you, for the most part, they have no merit..and no support and no chance of passage) only demonstrates to me that you have nothing positive to say about the success (?) of your own party’s agenda over the last five years.
What I find amusing is that some here seem to think that only Dems introduce bills that have no merit and have no wide spread support even among their own party and will never see the light of day. The difference is that the Dems havent demagogued the Repubs by creating a list of such meritless Repub bills that have no support within their own party, with inaccurate descriptions, and that they know full well, have no chance of passage. *** Magic Toy......in response to which President robs the Social Security Trust Fund in order to make the debt/deficit picture look better....alll recent presidents have, but none to the extent of Bush: Bush has requested and the Repub Congress has approved over $400 billion in "supplemental appropriations" to fund the war in Iraq over the last 5 years. Supplemental appropriations are "off budget" spending, meaning that there is no budget authorization to pay for these expenses, so what the government does in "borrow" from the Social Security Trust Fund. It is basically a paper transfer, but without a paper trail, so this $400 billion never shows up in the deficit figures.
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10-25-2006, 09:43 AM | #64 (permalink) | |
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Some of them are clearly feel-good junk designed to impress the constituency, I don't deny that. But just to take the first one on the list, though: some sort of subsidized fuel program makes sense to me, especially if it piggybacks on and is largely funded from "windfall taxes" on oil company profits. Your slanted description of the bill didn't mention that part of the proposal, but it's in there. Oh, but... that's *gasp* socialism! By the way, NCB, since you're so interested in accuracy, why don't you tell us about the crap legislation the Republicans proposed this term? That would give us a nice, accurate, complete picture of congress, wouldn't it? This has been widely heralded as the least effective congress ever--and... who's in charge? Hm. |
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10-25-2006, 12:53 PM | #66 (permalink) |
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Enough is enough.
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