03-26-2006, 09:34 AM | #1 (permalink) | |
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on opinion management, the iraq war and other delights
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once again, a reminder that somewhere out there are conservatives who were good readers of gramsci back in the day, who understood what he meant by war of position and took it to heart. a recurrent feature of debates within this space has been "semantic"--that is over words and their usage--how certain terms function as shifters (enabling or pushing folk into a particular ideological view based on the terms used to set up arguments, to think through, to organize information around)---"terrorism" in particular functions as an important shifter the relation to which tends to be of a piece with how one understands oneself in relation to bushworld--which is itself a quick and easy term used to name the political or discursive space that the right has fabricated for itself. an opposed micro-conflict unfolded over the question of whether iraq was sliding in civil war or not--in this case, enter the lincoln group. contemporary politics is more about conflict over words, over meanings, over associations than it is about the positions outlined through these words/meanings/associations--that is---conflict is in a sense already over once someone begins to outline their views across the particular, dense field of signifiers particular to the american right---whence the repeated calls for debates that do not involve a simple recycling of talking points, of ways ot speaking/writing encouraged by the conservative media apparatus. the focus and onus is on the right in this case as a simple function of fact---the right has engaged in the systematic construction of a media apparatus, using an extraordinary amount of private capital to fund it, to create its institutional infrastructure, its own media---and, more importantly, to construct outlets like fox that appear to function in an ambiguous relation to this ideological construction system---to use techniques for press management pioneered by the thatcher-reagan era, choking off access by the press to unformed information, making the press as reliant as possible on centralized information sources, which communicate prepackaged information which arrives alredy wrapped in the thick dulling fat of conservative memes. the article from the post above is, in this context, but an index. but it is an important index of the scale of ideological conflict and functions to explain why, in my view at least, debate that restricts itself to the recycling of claims already wrapped in ideological language is most often not debate at all. if a thread comes of this i would expect that it will repeat parallel moves--there will be attempts to view the lincoln group's work with reference to iraq in narrow terms, to defend it as a wartime necessity on the one hand--and this will be countered by attempts to work outside that frame of reference. the result will in all probability be stasis. how do you view this kind of information about the processes that consciously function to shape politics, to shape political discourse, around conservative actions (because the iraq wr is a conservative project, it embodies all the contradictions of conservative politics).... or does the fact that any administration finding itself in a war will attempt to market that war as a way of marketing itself mean that there are no particularities to conservative usage (and expansion) of these techniques? behind this lay a question about the characterization of contemporary conservative politics as geared toward discourse war, geared toward shaping terms that frame questions and by framing them in particular ways, encourage particular (loaded) types of thinking. what are we to do given this? why is debate not rethought, taking into consideration these assumptions about how this type of politics works?
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03-26-2006, 09:53 AM | #2 (permalink) |
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I rather like this post.....and much of the information has been in my thoughts for some time. The new direction we are taking this board is a step in confronting a part of this....though only a small part, it is a step.
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03-27-2006, 04:51 PM | #3 (permalink) |
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There are many directions to take that Roachboy afforded us in his OP. My one functioning neuron suggests that I begin with my own impressions, with the hope that continued discussion clarifies my thoughts.
I was reminded of a similar discussion that was started by Powerclown several months ago so I bumped "Iraq: Positive Developments" for anyone interested in reviewing it. Some viewed the intention of the thread as a negation of the many things going awry in Iraq, and perhaps considered it "propaganda." Others saw the same information and applauded seeing something other than "doom and gloom." Remarkably, the topic evolved to a level of respectful discussion and I learned a great deal from the many intelligent posts made there. I think whether one views reports of positive outcomes as good news vs. manipulation, depends to some degree on the level of trust placed on the source of the news. In this specific instance, I trusted Powerclown's stated intentions and I was well rewarded with the content provided. By the same token, I do not give credence to information from a source that I do not trust. Roachboy's discussion points specifically address war time manipulation of the media by the government, but at this time I would like to address our mainstream media generally. I ceased to watch broadcast news about a decade ago because of the "if it bleeds, it leads" focus of those programs. Recently I was staying with a friend who required the TV as a diversion and if I were to judge my community based upon what was reported, I would flee to a cave in the mountains. If a horrific image was available, it was shown over and over again. (i.e. some asshole threw acid on a dog) I have to ask myself if this unimportant bit of "bad" news replaced something more positive and of greater relevance to our community? Our national broadcast news appears to take a negative focus as well. My current thinking is that we need more positive news, if there is any to be had. War news is a trickier devil, but it would be necessary to me to have confidence in the source, whether the news was critical or positive. Do I trust news from the Lincoln Group? No. |
03-28-2006, 07:23 AM | #4 (permalink) |
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this topic of discussion could have a lot of legs... thx for bringing it to the forum.
i think roachboy loses sight of the actual situation in his zeal to make this representative of conservatives in general. if we are to think of this phenomenon outside of a combat environment necessity, as rb asks, then we should have a laundry list of instances where the practice occurs in other contexts. how can we have a broader discussion of the topic if the only example provided is in a warzone? the line drawn between wartime propaganda and domestic coverage is supported by speculation alone. as such, rb's intended direction for this thread seems like it could be written by the Lincoln group. there are facts... but questions intended to be asked by the reader don't necessarily follow from the facts presented. sidenote: the article's author briefly mentions "information ops"... but describes it in a way that seems dissimilar to the way it's discussed in military doctrine circles.
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03-28-2006, 10:07 AM | #5 (permalink) | |
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My response to this article is that it serves to address something that falls near and dear to my heart: propoganda. (By the way, I think that we can all agree, for better or worse, that the Lincoln group produces propoganda. I hope there can be no argument or mincing of words over that fact.) Propoganda is something, as the article correctly stated, that has been around for thousands of years. It's a matter of using an element of control over the opinions and perceptions of others to your own end. Is this a good thing or a bad thing? Well that depnds on who you ask. If one were to ask me, I would humbly reply that not allowing members of society to think for themselves is dangerous in that it does not rpepare them for a time when they will need to think for themselves for the good of themselves, their country, their culture, or society in general. More often than not, independent thought is a boon, not a bane. I am speaking in generalities because the specifics of the propoganda in the case above is something that has been beaten to death. Yes, there is asymmetric conflict, very heavy moral equasions, issues of trust and intent...etc., etc., etc. It's getting old. So I'll move back out to the less connected and yet completly relevant argument against propoganda. Often I hear the argument that we use propoganda in some sort of mutually assured destruction-esque fashion - we use it because everyone else does, and if our people are to be indoctrinated, it might as well be by our own government. Well, that's all well and good, but in fact there is asymmetric conflict in the world of propoganda. Taking into consideration of the average consumption of commercial news, entertainment, and other media by the typical westerner, I see no evidence of influence from other organizations or governments. Everything that I am exposed to when I turn on my TV has already gone throught the giant American filter. Is there an argument for propoganda? I want to know honestly so that I don't strawman. Edit: boy 161 reads, 4 replies....this one's going to be interesting Last edited by Willravel; 03-28-2006 at 10:11 AM.. |
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03-28-2006, 11:24 AM | #6 (permalink) |
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Is there an argument for propoganda? I think so. We often think of the propogated information in relation to wars and ideological conflicts. But propoganda is also those PSAs that remind us to use booster seats for our kids or to talk to them about drugs or whatever. I don't seek to debate the definition of propoganda, but I do think that we have to first define what constitutes 'good' propoganda from 'bad'. In doing so, I think we answer a lot of the questions about when it is appropriate to use it.
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03-28-2006, 12:47 PM | #7 (permalink) | |
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Then maybe it's time to move this back to the real world.
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The example given by Josh above of a public service reminder does not work to control information. It serves to provide information. I think that seperates it from the article above. |
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03-28-2006, 06:26 PM | #8 (permalink) |
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i just read through the op again and realized that i moved from one level to another--i signalled it, but perhaps not adequately---i take the lincoln group's activities in iraq as an index of two interconnected wars of position--that is ideolgical conflicts--one that is particular to the iraq debacle, and another, which is broader and which functions as an important dimension of conservative ideology (rather than the tactics of the republican party proper)....which plays out across the control of terms, their definitions and associations. i used the article from the nyt about lincoln as a jump off directed mostly at the latter, broader conservative ideological apparatus (for lack of a better term) and for broader questions---which i took as coherent because i see the two aspects as intertwined at this point--but not as identical.
the junction between the two is the parallel concern for how information is framed. the questions concerned the central role played in conservative ideology by controlling debate by controlling the terms used to frame it. this linked to debates that unfold--or dont--in this forum because often--not always, but often--folk from the right enter these discussions already having decided that the terminologies particular to the right are adequate as descriptors and show almost no wilingness to step outside that terminology to enter into discussions about the terms themselves. this is why i said at the outset that debate is often shortcircuited at the outset because, by choosing to stage issues in this way, basic political choices have already been settled in a sense and discussion deteriorates from that into the usual partisan pissing matches. this is the logic behind the post....and i outline it as a response to irate's post above---which i think pointed out a possible confusion of levels in what i wrote. in particular, to continue focussing on irate's post: there is an enormous amount of information available about the extent, internal organization and effects of the contemporary mode of shaping and distributing conservative discourse. that this particular article did not cover it is a function of its focus, i would think---it does not make the connection that i tried to make afterward, and so really cant be faulted for not providing information about that. ======= addendum: i am not interested in trying to work outanything about conservative folk in general apart from how the discourse that is often shared by them operates. this is much less grandoise than presuming to work out the complexity of motives or range of types of investment that individuals might bring to bear on or around their uses of this discourse. the discourse is structured, consistent and highly structured. the uses that folk might make of it much less so. this is a perfectly reasonable distinction to make....
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03-29-2006, 09:11 AM | #9 (permalink) |
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I don't think that the tactic is one used exclusively by conservatives. To provide an example from an entirely different context, aren't "pro-life" and "pro-choice" equally ideological and loaded terms? Each makes a certain value assumption in an attempt to constrict debate in favor of a certain ideological view.
I think the fact that we're talking about Gramsci should in itself be enough to tell you that this game has been played and innovated by both sides of the political spectrum. Whether a 'war of position' is being waged with symmetric ferocity by the American left and the American right today is another question, and one I'm not sure I can answer. I would venture that it is in fact the conservative discourse which makes far greater use of prepackaged symbols and ideas in order to push a policy agenda. I would further guess that the relative lack of such ideas is part of what makes the left appear to be so disunited and in such disarray. We do not share a common narrative which, while imposing constraints on thought, would also give us a coherent unified core vocabulary with which to engage the right. |
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Consider that there are a group of opportunists in control of the federal government, and observe how they act ingeniously to influence, and then to exploit what you described here: Quote:
to deflect attention from the result of what they actaully do...time after time. I see that the spectacle of Bush himself; his public performance ....mangling the english language....the contradiction of his background......high schooling at http://www.andover.edu/ , in Massachusetts, followed by seven years of college at Yale and Harvard, vs. his crafted "common man" of the "born again", christian south, complete with his Texas drawl, makes him the perfect "front man", for this repeating pattern: Mission background: Reward Bush/Cheney 2004 campaign organizer and fundraiser, <a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Christian_Bailey">Christian Bailey</a> , for his efforts. Solution: Create "make work" low impact vs. high price "news" distribution project in Iraq, earmarked for Bailey's newly created "company" and send $130 million "his way". Diversion: Manage anticipated controversy similarly to the ways that the Cheney Energy Task Force "issues", and the question of how the Bush admin. "handled" pre-invasion Iraqi WMD intelligence. The four big "tells" that reinforce my theory that folks who actually "run" the distribution of federal funds and leverage events to increase their "authority", are the Cheney Energy Task Force, 9/11, Invasion or Iraq, and the Katrina disaster. I suspect that these folks put a low priority on their "conservative" ideology. They simply use the media "apparatus" that roachboy described, to shape (LIMIT) all inquiries, (9/11 Commission, Silberman Intelligence Investigation, Senate Select Committee on Intel Investigation) or the "review" of the "Lincoln Group" propaganda contracts, so that the result is always: Quote:
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03-31-2006, 07:32 PM | #11 (permalink) | |
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The following article by the Independent UK claims they have found 'potential' press releases financed by the Lincoln Group. It troubles me that they cannot assert that these articles were actually publish and their counter claims for each article are not footnoted. Take this with a grain of salt.
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Somehow, we missed this, last year:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Group#Advisors more on Morton Blackwell here: http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpos...01&postcount=8 Last edited by host; 12-25-2007 at 03:53 PM.. |
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