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nezmot · 01-11-2006, 04:00 PM

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The question this really raises for me is the purpose of existence. If corporeal existence doesn't presuppose something else, what is the point of doing anything in this existence, regardless of the consequences?

I don't understand the logic behind this.

You could equally say that if this existance does presuppose something else, what is the point of doing anything in this, or that existance etc?

Having another life doesn't answer the question of a purpose, it just shifts it off into another mysterious realm where we can quietly forget about it.

rlbond86 · 01-11-2006, 08:26 PM

There is a Jewish saying we have,

"Do what is right, because it is right, and for no other reason."

Who is more deserving of heaven: the person who is good because he knows he must do it to get to heaven, or the person who is good simply because it is the right thing to do?

Seer666 · 01-29-2006, 11:22 AM

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What if there is no afterlife?

Does that mean the whatever we do in this life does no lasting harm? Because after we are dead.... it essenstially would mean nothing to us.

If it was proven that there was no afterlife, would society as we know it fall apart because those that are afraid of doing wrong are assured of nothing bad happening to them after death?

Seems tom e athisests are more aware of lasting repercutions then most. They don't look at things as "How will this affect my standing after death" but How will this affect the people I leave behind". After life or not is a moot point. If you have any awarness of the world around you, then you try to live a "good" life and not harm those that don't deserve it. Any standing with God can be dealt with after the fact. While you are here, worry about the people around you.

zz0011 · 01-29-2006, 02:05 PM

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Seems tom e athisests are more aware of lasting repercutions then most. They don't look at things as "How will this affect my standing after death" but How will this affect the people I leave behind". After life or not is a moot point. If you have any awarness of the world around you, then you try to live a "good" life and not harm those that don't deserve it. Any standing with God can be dealt with after the fact. While you are here, worry about the people around you.

I don't personally believe a suggestion that atheistic folks are more aware or concerned [than theistic folks] about how their actions impact those they care about in the here and now is fair, nor vice versa. Too broad a brush. Too easy to find saints and sinners at both ends of the spectrum, and at all points in between. That may not be what you were suggestion, but I think it's implied by extension.

Seer666 · 01-30-2006, 06:09 AM

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I don't personally believe a suggestion that atheistic folks are more aware or concerned [than theistic folks] about how their actions impact those they care about in the here and now is fair, nor vice versa. Too broad a brush. Too easy to find saints and sinners at both ends of the spectrum, and at all points in between. That may not be what you were suggestion, but I think it's implied by extension.

Aym valid point. I've met assholes from both parties. Point is, the atheist view is more earthly based. When you have nothing to look forward to, you tend to make the best of what you have.

zz0011 · 01-30-2006, 09:45 AM

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Point is, the atheist view is more earthly based. When you have nothing to look forward to, you tend to make the best of what you have.

I'll respectfully disagree. I believe it depends on the person, and how they live what they believe.

Seer666 · 01-31-2006, 06:39 AM

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I'll respectfully disagree. I believe it depends on the person, and how they live what they believe.

As can be said for any situation dealing with humans, unpredictable little bastards that we are, but when looked at as an overall veiw of the philosophy, I feel my statment stands.

zz0011 · 01-31-2006, 07:14 AM

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As can be said for any situation dealing with humans, unpredictable little bastards that we are, but when looked at as an overall veiw of the philosophy, I feel my statment stands.

I'm sure you do. We both do. And I'll still disagree with you.

Seer666 · 02-02-2006, 06:42 PM

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I'm sure you do. We both do. And I'll still disagree with you.

hehe. Well, not much to say to that. Kind of takes the fun out of a debate. Prolly a good thing though. I'm out of practice.

noahfor · 02-02-2006, 11:04 PM

The structure of a life or all life is some looping shape beyond human comprehension. However, we experience it in a way in which it appears lateral. There is no outside of experience. We are constantly moving up into and away out from the one point. We just don't know it. It's something like this:

Spiraloutkeepgoingspiraloutkkpgoing

The moon told me.

damnpoor · 02-05-2006, 11:29 PM

I used to sit in bed every night before I went to bed and wonder what happens after we die. I thought about what happens the very moment we die. Do we realize that we're dead, or did we just die so we can't know? Do we just close our eyes and it feels like any other time we've fallen asleep watching TV late at night? I don't think that there is an afterlife, and that scares me. I don't want to just fall off the edge of existance when I die, but rationally I can't convince myself that there's anything more than what we already see.

zz0011 · 02-06-2006, 07:09 AM

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I used to sit in bed every night before I went to bed and wonder what happens after we die. I thought about what happens the very moment we die. Do we realize that we're dead, or did we just die so we can't know? Do we just close our eyes and it feels like any other time we've fallen asleep watching TV late at night? I don't think that there is an afterlife, and that scares me. I don't want to just fall off the edge of existance when I die, but rationally I can't convince myself that there's anything more than what we already see.

Snake handlers belief the poison won't hurt them too...all the way to the undertakers...

What is true can absolutely be apart from what we know, experience and believe. Our lack of knowledge, experience and belief in no wise makes it any less true.

01-11-2006, 08:26 PM	#42 (permalink)
rlbond86 Insane	There is a Jewish saying we have, "Do what is right, because it is right, and for no other reason." Who is more deserving of heaven: the person who is good because he knows he must do it to get to heaven, or the person who is good simply because it is the right thing to do?

02-02-2006, 11:04 PM	#50 (permalink)
noahfor Addict	The structure of a life or all life is some looping shape beyond human comprehension. However, we experience it in a way in which it appears lateral. There is no outside of experience. We are constantly moving up into and away out from the one point. We just don't know it. It's something like this: Spiraloutkeepgoingspiraloutkkpgoing The moon told me.

02-05-2006, 11:29 PM	#51 (permalink)
damnpoor Upright Location: Cali	I used to sit in bed every night before I went to bed and wonder what happens after we die. I thought about what happens the very moment we die. Do we realize that we're dead, or did we just die so we can't know? Do we just close our eyes and it feels like any other time we've fallen asleep watching TV late at night? I don't think that there is an afterlife, and that scares me. I don't want to just fall off the edge of existance when I die, but rationally I can't convince myself that there's anything more than what we already see.