flamingdog

I just posted in a Sexuality thread with this, and it got me thinking.

discuss.

wilbjammin

You're describing the metaphor that "love is war". This is one of many representations of the relationships between the sexes that is valid in our society. Gender roles is actually the root of this much more than sexuality, women have quite a lot of reasons to be upset... they have 2000 years of unequal balance of power. Of course it is a struggle and a long-standing metaphor has taken hold.

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klt2

"women and men actually hate each other"

Well, which men and which women?

Do you mean that homosexuals are men who hate men and women who hate women?

CSflim

Nonsense. I have plenty of female friends, with whom I have absolutely no desire to enter a relationship. To me they are just friends, in the same way that I have male friends.

(Of course undoubtedly, I am blatantly lying, and subconsciously I actually want to fuck them, and that is the only reason that I tolerate them as friends at all. )

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Hmmm- I see it as we do like each other, but need to learn how to interact with each other, because we are so opposite.
Girls are driven by mental interactions, men driven by physical- it's a force of nature.
We can commuicate, get along, and love each other deeply- it's how you apply your interaction with the opposite sex.
I don't sex as being the "power over the other" unless that is our mind set. It comes down to sex as feeling good- the best physical & mental feeling in the world, and we don't know how to handle it. Women take it to a mental level, while men leave it as more of a physical interaction & rush more than anything.
Once you see that Love Making is the root of life and love, putting the physical & mental together into it, then you will realize the beauty of Men & Women as Divine Blessings to one another.

chavos

not just the past...its amazing that we haven't yet mastered the art of overcoming the notion that biological difference and ethical value are not related. in particular, i note how women's discourse is devalued-they recieve equal rights only to the extent that they pattrn "male" behaviors of exerting domiance, emotional reserve, etc... if they retain modes of communication more traditionally associated with women, they get a pretty cold shoulder. honorary man status should not be the precondition of social equality.

ARTelevision

IMO, love and hate are quite closely related - so there is some insight and sense in your question.

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tecoyah

I'm thinking, maybe they just hate you.....lol

seriously, I have rarely felt extreme negativity from women. Had plenty of guys pretty pissed though.

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sexymama

Beautifully put! I believe men and woman compliment each other.

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flamingdog

I'm thinking.... MAYBE YOU'RE RIGHT!!! All your average woman cares about is tracking herself down an alpha male. And who knows what that entails week to week.... And you might claim women are looking for mental stimulation... makes me wonder what the fuck they're looking for in a man when they pick Mr Cunting Mullet for the umpteenth time. Sorry, that just don't wash.

Seriously, a girl will tell you she's looking for mr sensitive, mr careful lover, mr I Have Feelings Too, then she'll kick her OWN ass to get to Mr Let Me Fuck You and Fuck You Up mullet man over there.

Women are Full. Of. Shit.

lurkette

Sounds like someone woke up on the cranky side of the bed.

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chavos

*smacks hand to head, and wanders off muttering hopelessly, despairing for the human condition

wilbjammin

huh... I'm a nice, sensitive, "careful love", etc etc kinda guy. All that it has gotten me is a lot of goodwill and an amazing girlfriend.

I do have some trouble with the divisiveness of saying that women want mental stimulation and guys want physical stimulation though. I could have had the physical thing more times than I could count, but it is nihilistic and quite frankly does absolutely for me in itself. In my experience, men may be more open about talking about sexual matters, actually, no... the men and women I know are equally open... One thing is true, I've gotten many blatant sexual advances from women, as well as touchy-feely girls knocking on my door. That doesn't do it for me, and it never has. The girls that have always stood out to me gave me something to work with - some intrigue.

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:::OshnSoul:::

Ya, the shit that men feed us. lol, j/k- had to do it.

No, you really must know that you won't get any that way, right?

KellyC

Maybe they wouldn't be so full of shit if you'd take your dick out of their asses and let them poop once in a while.

Sorry...I couldn't resist.....

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tisonlyi

Intensity is the link.

Like and dislike, intensely - to the point of madness.

I've experienced the extremes of love (or think i have), but not the hate. yet.

Thankfully.

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flamingdog

Indeed, but I don't get any anyway, so I might as well be bigoted about it.

I'd just like to point out that I thrive on not being taken seriously. And in addition, I was drunk when I posted that, and looking to provoke.

Hence that was completely unnecessary.

Some great responses...

tecoyah

I think you are confusing"women" with"girls". Huge difference when maturity kicks in somewhere between 18 and 30. Un fortunately boys dont usually hit maturity until forty or so.....

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:::OshnSoul:::

I was just playing as well, like many here, i couldn't resist commenting.

chavos

you were drunk, so you thought you'd insult women to start a flamewar? doesn't make things much better, does it? you may also have missed my sarcasm...whatever i may feel about the latent mysogeny on this board, its not worth smacking my head for.

wannabenakid247

Totally disagree. I think we are very different but we still get on most of the time. Hate is a very harsh word to use. Men get on my nerves sometimes but so do women. Most of the time I get on great with both. Can I just add that I don't have sex with men so to say sex is the only thing that roots the power etc. can't possibly be right.