Yay relegion thread. Read on if you dare!

[The.Lunatic]

Oh man I psychologically sucked you in!
If this thread didn’t have that “read on if you dare” thing on there you wouldn't of clicked it

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Why don't old people just start capping people right and left when they hit around 85-90?

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Basically what I’m saying is that religion is really important to society. Only problem is enlightened people don't generally like to believe in it, and if the masses that really do need to believe in religion see the people that they respect, they realize are world leaders, and they don't have any religious affiliation than why should they. Hollywood also discounts religion greatly. It also doesn't that the ass hats like Kurt Warner thank god for winning him a supper bowl, and bush is adamant about god when he's bound by church and state laws. Not to mention the countless fucking idiots that are miracle healers and what not.

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Does god exist?
I say probably
do I need proof?
no.
Am I religious?
no.
Is the human race going to last another 1000 years without religion?
no.

the rest% I can’t believe your still reading my mindless garble!

One thing I’ve always liked is the sheer ridiculous amount of things that physics can't explain. They can explain how things happen, and predict when its going to happen again, but when it comes down to it they have no fucking clue about anything. Why is there perfectly symmetry among all things in the universe, why is everything held together in such and organized matter and not in complete chaos. It seems funny to me when I discuss things like this with my friends who are physics majors. I'm an Mech Engineer btw. They're like well this does this because of this. I'm like okay why does that do that. And they go well it just does. Probability states that everything is possible, and this is one outcome. I'm like so our universe is just the ridiculously convenient sum of probabilities resulting in universal harmony instead of chaos. Divine influence anyone?

The world today troubles me. Most people are moral, but there is a growing number of godless, immoral people who will do whatever to whoever as long as they don't get caught by the police.

Whatever happened to not committing crimes, not wishing I’ll will on others simply because compassion for another human being.

Recap: I scattered my thoughts about, because my friend is fucking with my trying to get me to come play warcraft 3 with him, HOWEVER i did make a few valid points in there i think.

P.S. Do the world a favor and commit a unselfish act.

[onetime2]

I unselfishly am responding to this thread.

Religion is god.

[Jynx]

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• issue: enlightened people don't believe in religion - i believe this is because the more enlightened you are, the less satisfied you are with a church telling you that something just happened because of god, and you are uncomfortable with "do this because god wants you to" and being asked not to object. you are more satisfied with personal exploration, and if that happens to fit the bill of a particular faith, so much the better.
• assertion: god exists - a fundamental question best left to its own thread. i think that if one exists, it is radically different than what has been proposed.
• issue: society requires religion to succeed - i disagree. all religion gives to society is a preset list of rules. i believe that you are perhaps allowing a few visible crimes affect your view of the majority of the population. i have more faith in our race - i believe that society would be able to function very well without the crutch of religion.
• issue: god must exist because all this stuff happens that i don't understand - just because we can't explain something doesn't mean that god is involved - it just means we have insufficient knowledge. also it is worth mentioning that the universe has had an awful long time to sort things out, and while it may be highly improbable that a set of circumstances cropped up that allowed life, i figure that with an arguably infinite number of worlds there is a very high certainty of life cropping up somewhere (how old is the universe? how many are there?).

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[Sledge]

Jynx: you're fun. Stick around.

[Bill O'Rights]

Originally posted by Sledge
Jynx: you're fun. Stick around.

I'll second that motion.

[raeanna74]

Hmmm I'm not sure what your main point in this was. Personally I believe that God exists but that is my choice. I do see society throwing out all religion any time soon. There are too many superstitious people out there. How many primitive groups of people have no god in their belief system? As far as I know they all have some type of god. Society has a long long way to go before they would collectively get rid of religion.

Commit an unselfish act? Now that's something I can really get behind.

[cartmen34]

Originally posted by Sledge
Jynx: you're fun. Stick around.

Here here! Nice post jynx.

I'd like to throw in my $.02 by just giving my answer to some of the same questions you tried to answer:

Originally posted by The.Lunatic

Does god exist?

do I need proof?

Am I religious?

Is the human race going to last another 1000 years without religion?

ummm.....no

yes. Prove it. It's the only way I'll buy it.

used to be, but very against it now.

Good question. I doubt we'll be around in 1000 years with or without religion. Why? There is too much hate in the world. Why all the hate? Religion mostly.

[littlewild]

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I don't think so. Having an (possibly) infinite number of planets doesn't mean that life will randomly appear. You are making an assertion here and the law of causality states otherwise.

People always wanted some proof when it comes to God. How about this, can we try proving that God doesn't exist?

[Jynx]

first off - thx for the compliments - that previous post was inspired by Tron 2.0....if you're into fps, play and enjoy

Originally posted by littlewild
How about this, can we try proving that God doesn't exist?

currently, using scientific methods, i would suggest that it is impossible to either prove or disprove the existance of a god. many folks say that they explicitly feel god's presence, and many others say they just simply can't believe in a god - neither stance actually answers the question.

my answer to the question of "is there a god" is, very simply, i don't know - there is insufficient information for me to make a determination. from my limited knowledge, it is extremely unlikely that conditions occured by themselves to create and populate the earth, but not impossible - therefore, creation itself is no help in determination.

and now i feel myself starting to ramble.....more later if/when i can compose my thoughts.

[Mael]

Originally posted by littlewild
People always wanted some proof when it comes to God. How about this, can we try proving that God doesn't exist?

last time i checked, it's pretty much impossible to prove the non-existance of something intangable such as god. while there currently is no way of proving he/she/it exists without the big guy giving us a big thumbs up, his not doing it doesn't prove that he doesn't exist. and since we can't see/feel/smell/hear/touch him, we can't prove he exists, but the fact that we don't see/feel/smell/hear/touch him doesn't mean he doesn't. if we don't know what something is, how do we prove it doesn't exist?

[Kyo]

Well ... is there a need to prove that God does not exist? In almost all cases, I believe the burden of proof is on those who believe in His existence. After all, if I am to follow God, I need for someone to prove to me that he exists, not for someone to disprove that he does not exist. Would you follow or believe in something just because nobody can prove it doesn't exist?

[Dilbert1234567]

Unselfish acts are great. I know that I almost always stop for people with car trouble, and hitch hikers. I help and friend or acquaintance move. And when the person in front of me at the grocery store is short on cash, I generally help them out if they are close.

And just last week i saw one of the persons who i gave a $5 to help the person in front of them. It made me feel great knowing that they were able to pass it along.

Most people don’t actually know the extend of my generosity which may be a good thing...

[Jaron]

Selfishness is better.

That is to say, it's more effective, in general.

[Doesn't Matter]

Religion is the root of most violence.

Religion sucks.

Who cares if God is real or not?

Nothing you can do about anything whether he is or not.

[cartmen34]

Originally posted by Doesn't Matter
Religion is the root of most violence.

Religion sucks.

Who cares if God is real or not?

Nothing you can do about anything whether he is or not.

Agreed. And how sad is that.

True. True.

I don't care either.

Good point.

[Doesn't Matter]

hehe, thankyou ^^

Do you know how many wars started because of religion.

Most...there were few that werent religion related.

Plus, the whole Divine Right thing, which lead the middle east to several hundred years of bad rulers, is religion related. "God put me here, I am the monarch, lets throw wild costly parties until the protestants backstab me!X"

Seriously, Julius...back-stabbed because of religion. His friends didnt believe in him being a monarch...It defied their religion.

How about 9/11...How about any terrorist attack...ever?

If you are religious, I would suggest you take a look at what your throwing your life away over.

[Midnight_Son]

Originally posted by littlewild
People always wanted some proof when it comes to God. How about this, can we try proving that God doesn't exist?

no I can't..but we could have this same conversation about Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, and the tooth fairy.

[Doesn't Matter]

We could, yeah, But we know they are fake, because we made them up.

Just like we did God...maybe.