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j0hnb · 10-06-2003, 11:16 AM

Would you or could you consider Stigmata an ESP(extra sensory perception)?!

Nefir · 10-06-2003, 12:11 PM

Isn't stigmata just getting the wounds of Christ on your body?

Doesn't sound like perception of any sort to me.

Perhaps you mean telekinesis? Doing actual damage to your body with your mind? That sounds alot closer than ESP.

If so, I can see it being possible, assuming tk is possible... If someone has enough faith to consciously or subconsciously will the damage onto his body, then yea, you get a pretty neat stigmata effect

I'd prefer to put tk to more constructive uses though...

CSflim · 10-06-2003, 12:38 PM

agreed with Nefir....you need to explain what you mean more clearly.
I don't see how anyone could explain stigmata with E.S.P.

Also, I believe that it is appreciated on these boards if you put more into starting a thread than a single question.

Perhaps you could take the time to put forward your own views, and thus generate some discussion, rather than expecting everyone else to contribute?

j0hnb · 10-06-2003, 12:52 PM

Stigmata is a person receiving the wounds of Christ, but these wounds are caused by supernatural powers not by self infliction. So considering this would E.S.P have a role to play in the belief in stigmata? If these wounds were just self inflicted then it would be more like a crazed religions fanatic, not a person who has been gifted or cursed with the stigmata. (All depending on how you look at it) If there is no explanation for how a person receives these wounds would it not be explainable through E.S.P? Or am I just thinking of this in the wrong way?

j0hnb · 10-06-2003, 12:56 PM

This is one responce I recieved when I asked a friend of mine...

"That's an excellent question. I was originally thinking that it wouldn't
be the same thing as the stigmata are so much more a physical experience
that's supposedly "miraculous" than they are a perceptual one like seeing
future events or reading the thoughts of another person. But on further
reflection it seems to me that they definitely qualify as a perceptual
experience (that perception being touch/pain/physical marking) supposedly
without direct sensory stimulation."

CSflim · 10-06-2003, 01:06 PM

Good old dictionary.com can clear up much uncertainties:

Quote:

ESP, n.
Communication or perception by means other than the physical senses.

I think you have misunderstood the meaning of the word(phrase?) "E.S.P."
Extra Sensory Perception, meaning percieving things in amnner beyond the usual five senses.
E.S.P. is often reffered to as a "sixth sense".
How a "sixth sense" could be used to cause stigmata i do not see.
perhaps you are confusing ESP with telekenesis as Nefir pointed out.
Telekenesis is the ability to use "magic psychic energy" to cause physical effects on thigns, which would make more sense in the way you have used ESP.

j0hnb · 10-06-2003, 02:16 PM

So are you saying that a stigmata is not a "communication or perception by means other than the physical senses"? But isn't one of the ways a stigmata explained by having a higher level of spirituality with god. Such a high level that you in-fact take on his wounds? That would leave the question out there then is spirituality a sense? I believe it is. Lets take a priest for example. Some would say that they sense god, they see his works, his deeds. Would that not be a sense that is not within the standard 5 senses... This would lead me to believe that spirituality could be considered a sixth sense, and if you could relate that to stigmata what keeps us from saying that a stigmata isn't E.S.P. Who ever said telekinesis isn't part of stigmata; no one for sure knows how it works. Could the wounds not be inflicted through telekinesis, and if telekinesis can be considered an E.S.P then why is stigmata not considered an E.S.P.

10-06-2003, 11:16 AM	#1 (permalink)
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10-06-2003, 12:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
Nefir Junkie Location: Louisville, KY	Isn't stigmata just getting the wounds of Christ on your body? Doesn't sound like perception of any sort to me. Perhaps you mean telekinesis? Doing actual damage to your body with your mind? That sounds alot closer than ESP. If so, I can see it being possible, assuming tk is possible... If someone has enough faith to consciously or subconsciously will the damage onto his body, then yea, you get a pretty neat stigmata effect I'd prefer to put tk to more constructive uses though... __________________ You do not use a Macintosh, instead you use a Tandy Kompressor break your glowstick, Kompressor eat your candy Kompressor open jaws, Kompressor release ants Kompressor watch you scream, Because Kompressor does not dance Last edited by Nefir; 10-06-2003 at 12:14 PM..

10-06-2003, 12:38 PM	#3 (permalink)
CSflim Sky Piercer Location: Ireland	agreed with Nefir....you need to explain what you mean more clearly. I don't see how anyone could explain stigmata with E.S.P. Also, I believe that it is appreciated on these boards if you put more into starting a thread than a single question. Perhaps you could take the time to put forward your own views, and thus generate some discussion, rather than expecting everyone else to contribute? __________________

10-06-2003, 12:52 PM	#4 (permalink)
j0hnb Crazy Location: Arnold, MD	Stigmata is a person receiving the wounds of Christ, but these wounds are caused by supernatural powers not by self infliction. So considering this would E.S.P have a role to play in the belief in stigmata? If these wounds were just self inflicted then it would be more like a crazed religions fanatic, not a person who has been gifted or cursed with the stigmata. (All depending on how you look at it) If there is no explanation for how a person receives these wounds would it not be explainable through E.S.P? Or am I just thinking of this in the wrong way?

10-06-2003, 12:56 PM	#5 (permalink)
j0hnb Crazy Location: Arnold, MD	This is one responce I recieved when I asked a friend of mine... "That's an excellent question. I was originally thinking that it wouldn't be the same thing as the stigmata are so much more a physical experience that's supposedly "miraculous" than they are a perceptual one like seeing future events or reading the thoughts of another person. But on further reflection it seems to me that they definitely qualify as a perceptual experience (that perception being touch/pain/physical marking) supposedly without direct sensory stimulation."

10-06-2003, 02:16 PM	#7 (permalink)
j0hnb Crazy Location: Arnold, MD	So are you saying that a stigmata is not a "communication or perception by means other than the physical senses"? But isn't one of the ways a stigmata explained by having a higher level of spirituality with god. Such a high level that you in-fact take on his wounds? That would leave the question out there then is spirituality a sense? I believe it is. Lets take a priest for example. Some would say that they sense god, they see his works, his deeds. Would that not be a sense that is not within the standard 5 senses... This would lead me to believe that spirituality could be considered a sixth sense, and if you could relate that to stigmata what keeps us from saying that a stigmata isn't E.S.P. Who ever said telekinesis isn't part of stigmata; no one for sure knows how it works. Could the wounds not be inflicted through telekinesis, and if telekinesis can be considered an E.S.P then why is stigmata not considered an E.S.P.