Zeraph

I'm not speaking of literal vampires or werewolves here but are there people that embody them? Are there Lucifers, Christs, Deaths, Fey, etc.?

Can humans become something else in this life? I have met some very, very strange people in my time. Medicine men, people claiming to be vampires (less likely there) and people not claiming to be anything at all which impress me the most. They seem to have a chaotic darkness about them. Some a bright blessed light.

So can humans become, demi-humans? Psuedo-humans? Evolved humans?

Again, I'm not talking about actual shapechanging werewolves or anything or vampires that actually need blood to survive, but people that embody the wolf essence, the people that embody the essence of the night. They're rare, but I've met a few that raise my suspicions.

Xerxys

Huh? Dude, I did NOT understand your question. And I read it a couple of times.

Nepenthes

I have a TV show for you called Super Humans.

Link: Stan Lee's Superhumans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I think humans are capable of extraordinary things that science has yet to discover.

Many monster myths, like vampires, were based on a genetic disease that people had. They may have been pale and allergic to sunlight.

Ourcrazymodern?

The humans who differentiate themselves are still humans.

We're alone.

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The_Jazz

I agree with the caveat of "here on Earth."

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Ourcrazymodern?

Yes. When I first read the title, I thought of aliens.

I don't think we're alone as thinking beings in the universe.

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Zeraph

well in other words are all humans essentially the same? or do some evolve into something humanlike but not quite? Something different, something more? i.e. a source for all those legends and myths. Obviously the legends and myths have been blown out of proportion but is there a hint of truth there?

I think so.

Jetée

I wasn't coming into this discussion to offer an elucidation, but I didn't think the opening question would be what it was; but to help, I do get it.

Your general query is to ask (generally) if others think there are different levels, no, that's not it - ah, genres of human-type sentience. Of popular SF, RPG and VG references, as outlined above, but also to include stuff such as: (but not limited to) mole-men, shape-shifters, mermaids, leprechauns, etc., et. al.

To allow reference to another television programme(s), I believe you are asking if there ever once was, or possibly could be, a plane of existence grounded in reality, whereby the ridiculous characters written into True Blood (or Supernatural) could feasibly co-exist with regular forum-hopping folks like us (with or without knowledge of the rarer's true existence).


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I'd have to think about it, (read as: research!) but I'm pretty sure every culture older than 800 years has, in some form, "evidence" and histories pertaining to the preternatural. Some people believe Bigfoot is real. Not really wanting to debate that one. I, however, am offering the supposition that zombies (Caribbean isles) are a real, I don't know how to term it, occurrence - affliction - misunderstood physical / mental state run amok by Hollywood?


Offering up some more free-wheeling 'may-bes', how would you classify a ghost? Is this a close-enough human-like class (not unlike an archer, mage, or a paladin in certain RPGs) to fit within your initial terms, Zeraph? A heck of a whole lot of the population are wholly skeptical of the presence of spirits, but then again, I'm pretty sure I can round up dozens of strangers myself that swear upon their very lineage that they've encountered, and were perhaps harassed, by the deceased. The Discovery Channel sure likes to make it seem so. Disregarding animal spirits for the moment, would a ghost have enough of our physical / mental capabilities to be deemed of like-intelligence, do you think?

Maybe I'm not defining well enough what a true 'ghost' is, because to some, a spirit of a person now deceased could very well be similar to memory, or a scar, attached to a particular person, place, or thing. Perhaps it doesn't have a mind of its own, but it just houses the overwhelming feelings and occupying thoughts of the individualized dead? To move back to the notion of animal spirits, would these be as capable as their real-life counterparts, or would they be smarter, more primal, possibly even self-aware, of its nature?

THis post turned out a lot longer than the initial four sentences I had in mind. I just wanted to tie in some Final Fantasy references, and somehow got to over-emotional tv dramas, and the existentialism present in the New Jersey Devil.

I will leave you with this: one of the best posit-scenarios I ever received was actually seen on tv some 5-7 years back. It was a Science/History Channel, Nat'Geo-type show, and despite its inital documentary-style nature on such phenomena as the Chupacabra and USOs, it offered an illustrated hyopethetical of a gigantic apartment building with elevators. In this metaphor, the human existence in which we perceive as normal and mundane, this plane of existence is one floor, or level. On another floor, there are nothing but bigfoots. On yet another, there are 'Grays', Chupacabras occupy a different level, and so on. At varying (seemingly random) times, and through various hotspots, ("the elevators") the different and innumerous planes of existence cross paths, if only for a minute, and through this, we get these unbelievable reports of cop circles and floating orbs of light telling me to vacate their house.

I'm not sure if I've totally thread-jacked your discussion, but maybe, just possibly, I actually would like this wholly unsubstantiate TV thesis to be correct. It' be just like that episode where that one-unpronounce-able midget was harassing Superman with all his cool, law-defying (re: dick) powers. You know what I'm saying - which one was that? I'm most probably crazy and mixed up.

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Xerxys

Nope. I don't think so. All human beings are the same. In fact, I'll wager that in the last 800 million years or so, humans have been the only sentient species on earth.

Sentience is a very complicated combination of characteristics. There are animals that form social bonds and even grieve their dead (like some monkeys in Africa act irrationally when one of their own dies) but sentience also has to include the ability to very rapidly learn and increase an IQ through generations. Whereas (with specialized training) a monkey's highest IQ is comparable to that of an 8 year old at most.

Given that, a human being can not be transformed into anything else without sacrificing higher brain function. Humans entire physiology has been built to think.

36thHero

As far as the question 'are there christs?' Is concerned, any one whose consciousness transcends the ego and comes to understand the unity of all life is a christ, or a buddha. Take your pick they are equivalent ideas.

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Zeraph

I'm not sure exactly how to describe this because it was...of the charts.

A few weeks ago (IIRC what made me decide to start the thread) I was "visited" by some kind of being. I attribute feminity to it but it may have gender nuetral for all I know.

Anyways, I was on caffeine and nicotine and not getting to sleep anytime soon when this presence suddenly entered my room. I am positive I was awake when it happened. I felt and saw her both (last couple years or so I've become more and more open to other things). She had an essence that was way stronger than any ghosts I've sensed.

She whispered a few words, waved her hand, and suddenly all my energy was 100%. I felt like I was floating above my body almost it expanded so drastically (remember I'm still fully awake at this point). But then it become like forcing too much water through too small a hole. My energy went chaotic and it started to freak me out.

Instantly I went to sleep and had the most vivid dreams I've ever experienced (and I've had *really* vivid dreams before. It lasted two hours real time, but felt a lot longer. It was scenario after scenario of me confronting some sort of intrusion. Once it was a wolf for instance.

The dreams were so realistic that when I "awoke" (as I wasn't sure if I was really awake even then) I had to go around and check the house.

Whatever that was was strong, and *not* human. I felt she could have killed me if she wished. I believe she was trying to help me though.

Ourcrazymodern?

I'm glad you shared all that, Zeraph. It answers some wonderment had about you.

What you described is still only what we share.

I guess I shouldn't have extruded this.

IJUHP!

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