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Old 07-02-2003, 10:16 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Scientology summary for the interested

This is the most comprehensive description of Scientology beliefs I have come across. I got it off the Tom Cruise Chalkboard. You should check it out if you want to learn more - there's an ex-scientologist there who was in the cult for 30 years.

"What are BTs and Clusters, you ask? Well, 75 million years ago, an evil galactic ruler named Xenu was faced with an overpopulation problem. So, with the help of Psychiatrists (yes, according to $cientology, Psychiatrists have always existed and have the intention of destroying mankind) he drugged and paralyzed billions of his people and piled their bodies at the bases of volcanos, right here on Earth (then it was called Teegeeack). Then, he exploded the volcanos with atom bombs (I guess they had those back then too).

After the bodies were destroyed by the explosions, Xenu captured their souls in electronic beams. He then 'implanted' them with 'false data' about reality -- oh, things like Christ, Budda, other dieties, etc. After the implanting, the souls thought they were one and the same being, and began to 'cluster' together into groups of souls.

Now, everytime someone is born on earth, cluster of these souls or 'body thetans' (BTs) cling to the person. $cientology can help! Only certified $cientology 'tech' can rid one of these harmful BTs and clusters."

For more information, go to www.xenu.net

or http://www.ixplosive.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi

And, umm, would you join this cult...?
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Old 07-03-2003, 12:15 AM   #2 (permalink)
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The fact that they fear Psychologists with an intense passion is the first tip off to run away. The fact that its run by the guy who wrote Battlefield Earth is the second.
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Old 07-03-2003, 07:19 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I have a designed an advanced version of scientology that will clear you of engrams, bt's and clusters, and it does not have to be administered by licensed scientology tech, and it can work fairly quickly. It's called Forgiveness. It has amazing efficacy. And it's free.
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Old 07-03-2003, 10:11 AM   #4 (permalink)
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What’s funny is I thought this was a joke at first...

But hey to each his own. As long as they don't come litter at my doorstep with pamphlets and stuff or bother me at dinnertime I don't care. If it makes their day go by faster so be it.
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Old 07-03-2003, 10:59 AM   #5 (permalink)
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It's no joke, this really is at the core of scientology.

Worse, scientologists use the courts to silence their critics and to hid this truth.
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Old 07-03-2003, 02:45 PM   #6 (permalink)
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oh I really hope that's an exaggeration....

my dad was into that for a bit. thankfully not since I can remember

where does the third eye come in?
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Old 07-03-2003, 10:25 PM   #7 (permalink)
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with celebrity endorsements like john travolta, tom cruise, and kirstie alley, is there any stopping them!?

Read This account of an infiltrator into scientology
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Old 07-03-2003, 11:38 PM   #8 (permalink)
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To be honest, I don't care about what people believe in.
But the organisation is frightening. These people own and manage both Narconon and the Cult Awareness Network.

I've seen their business practices myself, and I have no respect for the Church itself. Used to work for the Social Security Office in Stockholm, and the department had heaps of trouble with the Scientologists.

The worst I saw - somebody within CoS had found the adresses of a home for the mentally challenged, and went door-to-door making them sign documents they didn't understand - basically "helping" them sign away a percentage of their income each month. The department contacted CoS, but their "church" refused to release the people from the "contracts"... In the meantime, the poor people in the home could do nothing but watch their savings disappear.
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Old 07-04-2003, 10:24 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Well, fair play to the guy that invented it. He's fucking people in the ass, and making a fortune out of it. So what else is new?
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Old 07-04-2003, 10:45 AM   #10 (permalink)
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he's also dead. but fucking people in the ass must continue in his honor.
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Old 07-04-2003, 01:44 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Re: Scientology summary for the interested

Church Of Scientology Bookstore


Church Of Scientology Bookstore

You'll spend a lot learning the essentials of 'dianetics'.

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Old 07-05-2003, 02:56 PM   #12 (permalink)
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The fact that they fear Psychologists with an intense passion is the first tip off to run away. The fact that its run by the guy who wrote Battlefield Earth is the second.
fuckin A.

i thought this was a joke at first too.
and now im very frightened.
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Old 07-05-2003, 07:22 PM   #13 (permalink)
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"And, umm, would you join this cult...?"

because they give you everything you want.....

....you give them all your money and your freedom, but you dont know that second part.

a cult is a cult is a cult........................
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Old 07-06-2003, 05:28 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I was all prepared to post Dennis Hopper's Dianetics speech from Apocalypse Now, but then I realized he said 'dialectics'. Damn.

Oh yeah, this is messed up shit.
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Old 07-06-2003, 03:09 PM   #15 (permalink)
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What’s funny is I thought this was a joke at first...
me too..
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Old 08-01-2003, 10:32 PM   #16 (permalink)
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but why is it called scientology? it obviously has nothing to do with science..
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Old 08-01-2003, 10:41 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I used to work for a Scientologist.. He was a completely brainwashed freak and ended up being a con artist to boot. I'm not a huge fan of psychiatrists either, but one of the basic tenets of their "religion" is that they're out to destroy the world or something. The only funny part was that he admitted Battlefield Earth was a horrible movie, but "the book was excellent".

One of his buddies informed me that psychiatrists developed their "psych drugs" to fuck up peoples' brains to the point that they would not be able to accept the wonders that Scientology has to offer, or something like that.
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Old 08-02-2003, 06:30 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Fortunately, I've read that scientology is on the decline; they're not fooling people like they used to. "Battlefield Earth" was supposed to be a big comeback for them; they had promotions going on the Internet and elsewhere that would encourage teenagers to write or email them for some free BE prize; and then they would harvest the kid's addresses and start trying to market scientology to them.

At an science fiction convention once, I spent an interesting half-hour talking to an old writer who knew L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of scientology, when he was getting the organization started. Gullible sci-fi fans were his first target audience. Anyway, it was a deliberate scam from day 1.
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Old 08-02-2003, 07:37 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Seriously, what's the difference between that as a creation myth and say a diety who make the world in 6 days, or that an ultimate force for good created the physical universe to trap evil by making it finite?

I've read xenu.net before, and have always taken it with a grain of salt. Name any major religion and I can find you a site listing countless horror stories.

Scientology has maintained the spotlight in 'scandal' for years. Before that, I remember it was the Masons, and before that, the Hare Krishna.

To answer the question asked in the first post, no, I don't think I'd join scientology. But then, I shudder at the thought of being a devout catholic too.
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Old 08-02-2003, 10:21 AM   #20 (permalink)
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The classic story/myth was that Hubbard and another major sci-fi author (I want to say Heinlein) were discussing various topics when the discussion of the fastest way to make money came up. Hubbard's hypothesis was religion. They made a bet, the gist of which was that Hubbard would start a religion whole-cloth and make a million dollars from it within a certain time-frame.

Sad to say, the other author lost the bet.
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Old 08-02-2003, 11:08 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Wow, humanity is in a sad state when stuff like this is actually believed.
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Old 08-02-2003, 01:00 PM   #22 (permalink)
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The classic story/myth was that Hubbard and another major sci-fi author (I want to say Heinlein) were discussing various topics when the discussion of the fastest way to make money came up. Hubbard's hypothesis was religion. They made a bet, the gist of which was that Hubbard would start a religion whole-cloth and make a million dollars from it within a certain time-frame.

Sad to say, the other author lost the bet.
The "other author" was John Campbell, editor of Astounding (later Analog) Science Fiction, and the most influential editor in the field. A few years after that, Astounding essentially launched Scientology into the big time (relatively speaking) with a special issue devoted to it. And Campbell subsequently published a lot of stories on scientology themes (One of them, a novel called "They'd Rather Be Right," won a Hugo Award). I've often wondered if Campbell wasn't getting something on the side from Hubbard. They'd known each other for many years before Hubbard launched Scientology.
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Old 08-04-2003, 04:46 AM   #23 (permalink)
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with celebrity endorsements like john travolta, tom cruise, and kirstie alley, is there any stopping them!?

Read This account of an infiltrator into scientology
That is hilarious.
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Old 08-09-2003, 01:08 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I've heard the Campbell/Heinlein/Hubbard tale before, but with Isaac Asimov in on the bet as well.

As I heard it, somewhere along the way, Hubbard actually started believing the lies and bullshit he wrote in Dianetics, and that's led to the current incarnation of Scientology.
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Old 08-09-2003, 10:11 PM   #25 (permalink)
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At least Freemasons/Illuminati had disinformation, all these guys have is misinformation.

Is this a joke or is this for real? If this is real then it's just fucking brilliant. Here's an idea, let's start our own "Tilted" religion.
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Old 08-09-2003, 10:20 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Unfortunately Scientology is all too real, especially in the lives it destroys and the money it steals. Google 'recovery from scientology'.
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Here's a paper I wrote when I was a sophomore in high school...

Scientology: Religion or Religious Hoax

In 1950, a book called “Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health” gained incredible popularity. The book was authored by a science fiction writer named L. Ron Hubbard. The fad of Dianetics had swept the nation, attracting hundreds of thousands of people, promising to cure them of all their problems without subjecting them to expensive psychoanalysis. Followers would refer to Hubbard’s book as “The Book”, and thought of it more as The Bible. A substantial number of the flock abandoned Dianetics when it was discredited by medical professionals and organizations. To avoid criticism, and to make more money, Dianetics was transformed into a religion, where people had to take courses to achieve “professional” status. The name of this new “religion” was “Scientology”. Scientology, some would argue, would become one of the most powerful religious hoaxes of all time.

Scientology was widely criticized. One critic said the name “Scientology” was no more impressive than if a fruit vendor started calling himself a “Fruitologist”. Most of the criticism, however, was levied against Scientology’s validity as a religion. Most critics consider its conversion to a religion as a method of evading the criticism it faced as a “science”, as well as a means of avoiding taxes altogether. L. Ron Hubbard once wrote, "Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion". This proved to be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Scientologists believe that God exists in every man, in the form of a “thetan” or spirit. If anyone was worshipped as a God, it was L. Ron Hubbard. Followers were imbued with a missionary fervor, eager to go out and enlighten others in the ways of Scientology. In addition, the followers took on faith everything Hubbard said, placing him in the same exalted status as a deity.

Facing many difficulties setting up his “franchises” (later renamed “missionaries”, to make them sound more religious) across the United States, Hubbard moved the headquarters of Scientology to Saint Hill Manor in England. England proved to be less enchanted with Scientology than America. They refused to recognize Saint Hill as a church, forcing Hubbard to claim it as an “educational establishment”. Then, they wouldn’t grant visas to anyone to enter the country to study or work at Saint Hill. Finally, they set up an Inquiry into Scientology, which is still under way. Other countries were just as hostile. In Australia, its practice was banned, and was punishable by up to $500 and two years in jail. Accusations in South Africa stated the Scientologists were planning to arm 5,000 Africans and overthrow the government. A member of South Africa’s parliament called Scientology a “cancer like communism that could destroy South Africa.”

Scientology’s biggest injustices lie in its abuse of the legal system. The Scientologists have not taken any criticism lightly. Although the “church’s” creed states that “all men have the right to think freely, to write freely, their own opinions and to counter or utter or write about the opinions of others,” in the past, this has not applied to anyone who wished to think, speak, or write against Scientology. Over a hundred lawsuits have been filed by the Scientologists, who have admitted that they will “sue at the slightest chance” to discourage the media from mentioning Scientology. Obviously, this stifles the freedom of the press. Dr. Russell Barton spoke out against Scientology on a television program; he later received a letter suing him for statements he made “on February 31st”. Clearly, they were so hasty with their legal pursuits; they forgot there are only twenty-eight days in February.

Slander is another weapon at the disposal of Scientologists. They would hire investigators to dig up dirt on their critics. They would conduct “noisy investigations”, where they would call up someone’s work, and say “I am investing Mr/Mrs for criminal activities and he/she has been trying to prevent man’s freedom and is restraining my religious freedom and that of my friends and children, etc.” The Scientologists would make unfounded accusations against any government official who spoke out against them of corruption and bribery. The Scientologists believe that when people attack their religion, it’s because they are trying to hide their own crimes. Another reason Hubbard believes that people attack Scientology is because it’s honest, aboveboard and works. In what must surely be the strangest reasoning ever, Hubbard wrote “If Scientology was fraudulent, if it has vast but covert plans, if it did not work, it would not be fought.”

Hubbard also hinted that physical harm would come to those who fought Scientology, although Scientology would have nothing to do with these tragedies. Hubbard wrote that “no serious harm came to any principal or good person in Dianetics or Scientology.” But on the other hand, ‘without any action being taken against them, of twenty-one highly placed attackers, seventeen are now dead.”

Scientologists are very anxious to attract children and celebrities. They have begun conditioning children when they are a few days old by repeating to them “Lie in bed. Thank you.” Scientologists have made active attempts to incorporate their practices in schools, which, if Scientology was considered a church, as they seem to desire, would be a gross violation of the separation of church and state. While Scientologists actively solicit children, they also harass celebrities until they attend formal auditing sessions. One such celebrity Scientologists don’t want people to know about is Charles Manson, who became interested during his first incarceration. After his release, he visited Scientology missions in Los Angeles. Scientology literature was also said to be found at the ranch where Manson and his family were captured. It seems ironic that a murderous cult leader should be attracted to a group considered to be a cult by all who aren’t members.

It seems that all Scientology has to offer is their brainwashing, which they believe to be their only road to salvation. The Scientologists like to say that there can’t be two sides to the truth. Since they believe that they have found the truth, those who disagree with them are wrong. One Scientologist once said (using typically inflated figures) about their membership: “Fifteen million people can’t be wrong.” But history has often proven otherwise.
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Old 08-10-2003, 09:53 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Old 08-10-2003, 08:05 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Scientology is just another religion. Who needs them.

A "cult" is just a religion that hasn't reached enough followers to gain significant influence on society.
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Old 08-11-2003, 06:07 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Your paper is a good read. It's well written, informative and entertaining. Thanks for sharing it.
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Old 08-11-2003, 08:05 PM   #31 (permalink)
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It's an in-joke among my clique that we're all scientologists and we really, really want to help you.
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Old 08-11-2003, 08:35 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I had no idea they were this dangerous. Thanks for all the information. I'm fairly intreagued by these things. Who needs conspiracy theories when you've got the real stuff?

Incidentially, if anyones interested in another one of these cults, check out some information on Opus Dei. They believe in self-mutilation for God, and they've also got a huge following.
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Old 08-11-2003, 09:35 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I personally do not like psychiatry. It is simply a tool to make you fit into society.
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Old 08-11-2003, 10:33 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Scientologist! Capture him before he reports back to
the mothership!!!
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Old 08-11-2003, 10:38 PM   #35 (permalink)
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NO I'VE BEEN DISCOVERED! RUN, FELLOW SCIENTOLOGIST SPIES, WE MUST SUMMON THE... uh... ANTI PSYCHIATRIST THINGIES!
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Old 08-15-2003, 06:44 AM   #36 (permalink)
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you have got to be kidding. I have a friend who read dianetics, i gotta ask him bout this...
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Old 08-17-2003, 08:42 PM   #37 (permalink)
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dianetics was the first step into tax-free, first amendment smothering brainwashy...

thanks for the comment on my paper, orbital... I think it's alright but back then I had trouble with conclusion paragraphs... oh well, who needs a conclusion when the rest of the paper speaks for itself
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Old 01-15-2004, 02:20 AM   #38 (permalink)
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if everyone was 'seeded' to not know about the galactic warrior guy.. then how do we know about the galactic warrior guy?

Also I'm going to school to be a Psychologist.. does this mean John Travolta is scared of me?
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Old 01-15-2004, 09:59 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Seriously, what's the difference between that as a creation myth and say a diety who make the world in 6 days, or that an ultimate force for good created the physical universe to trap evil by making it finite?...

...To answer the question asked in the first post, no, I don't think I'd join scientology. But then, I shudder at the thought of being a devout catholic too.
Pellaz, I couldn't agree with you more. Scientology is scary, but so is Christianity.
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