Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community  

Go Back   Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community > The Academy > Tilted Philosophy


 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 03-06-2006, 05:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
Crazy
 
Location: Grand Junction, CO
My theory

The other night I was on a mind altering substance and I came up with a very good theory of what happens when we die. I was having an out of body experience, and I realized that when we die, our body ceases to exist, along with our ability to hear and see and feel.

We enter a void, yet we can still think.

After an eternity of thinking, one gets pretty damn bored, so the person will start creating things in the void, using his or her imagination. The catch is that whatever is "created" is permanent, to an extent. This is where heaven or hell comes from. If you create something good in your void, you are in a heaven. If you create something negative, it becomes your own personal hell.

Anyhow, after an eternity of creating, the person creates his or her own universe! You become a sort of god.

This is how our universe could have been made. It keeps expanding, right? All the theories about our existance being a figment of someone's imagination is probably true, and the expansion of the universe is just the expansion of the thoughts of our creator!

But, why then can we create our own universes? Is it because the owner of our universe is more powerful than us, and can grant life? Tell me your theories about how this works.
__________________
"If you can hear this whispering you are dying."- Pink Floyd
Dungeon_Shade is offline  
Old 03-06-2006, 06:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
Upright
 
Location: Albany NY
well einstein said that the energy that makes up our body is neither created or destroyed so this does allow for existance beyond this existance

the fact that we all have a perception of reality, kind says we create our own universe. we are all part of the universe. did we create it or did we create it or was it cause and effect
__________________
"What's the benefit of laughing
When you only have to cry?
Why take the big adventure
When you're only left to die???
"
erics is offline  
Old 03-06-2006, 08:31 PM   #3 (permalink)
Insane
 
hrandani's Avatar
 
I don't understand why people are so attached to these concepts of heaven and hell.
hrandani is offline  
Old 03-06-2006, 09:26 PM   #4 (permalink)
Crazy
 
Location: Grand Junction, CO
I'm not supporting the biblical view of heaven or hell, I'm just saying that an "evil" person may end up building his own chaos when he dies, and a good person can create a paradise for himself.
__________________
"If you can hear this whispering you are dying."- Pink Floyd
Dungeon_Shade is offline  
Old 03-06-2006, 10:24 PM   #5 (permalink)
Extreme moderation
 
Toaster126's Avatar
 
Location: Kansas City, yo.
Quote:
Originally Posted by hrandani
I don't understand why people are so attached to these concepts of heaven and hell.
... it sure would be a waste to live for however long we get, then die and cease to exist. I think an afterlife makes more sense than the absence of it.
__________________
"The question isn't who is going to let me, it's who is going to stop me." (Ayn Rand)
"The truth is that our finest moments are most likely to occur when we are feeling deeply uncomfortable, unhappy, or unfulfilled. For it is only in such moments, propelled by our discomfort, that we are likely to step out of our ruts and start searching for different ways or truer answers." (M. Scott Peck)
Toaster126 is offline  
Old 03-06-2006, 10:54 PM   #6 (permalink)
Addict
 
Death assumes an absolute reference frame for time. Thus, there is no death. But why am I experiencing this moment and not some other? Because I am the experience of this moment. But what about now? I thought I was the experience of that moment, but now I am the experience of this moment. Yes, the feeling of I exists in the experience of both moments, and the memory of another moment exists in the experience of other moments. That's how it works.
noahfor is offline  
Old 03-07-2006, 01:30 AM   #7 (permalink)
Registered User
 
//I'm just saying that an "evil" person may end up building his own chaos when he dies, and a good person can create a paradise for himself.//

An evil person builds their own chaos in life, and a good person builds their own paradise. You don't have to wait till after you're dead for heaven and hell.
nezmot is offline  
Old 03-07-2006, 08:27 AM   #8 (permalink)
Mad Philosopher
 
asaris's Avatar
 
Location: Washington, DC
And, in any case, humans necessarily have a body, so can't exist in a disembodied state.
__________________
"Die Deutschen meinen, daß die Kraft sich in Härte und Grausamkeit offenbaren müsse, sie unterwerfen sich dann gerne und mit Bewunderung:[...]. Daß es Kraft giebt in der Milde und Stille, das glauben sie nicht leicht."

"The Germans believe that power must reveal itself in hardness and cruelty and then submit themselves gladly and with admiration[...]. They do not believe readily that there is power in meekness and calm."

-- Friedrich Nietzsche
asaris is offline  
Old 03-07-2006, 01:00 PM   #9 (permalink)
Sky Piercer
 
CSflim's Avatar
 
Location: Ireland
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dungeon_Shade
The other night I was on a mind altering substance....

That's all I need to know.
__________________
CSflim is offline  
Old 03-07-2006, 01:52 PM   #10 (permalink)
Addict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by asaris
And, in any case, humans necessarily have a body, so can't exist in a disembodied state.
But being conscious doesn't entail having a body.
noahfor is offline  
Old 03-07-2006, 09:54 PM   #11 (permalink)
Mad Philosopher
 
asaris's Avatar
 
Location: Washington, DC
Quote:
Originally Posted by noahfor
But being conscious doesn't entail having a body.
Well, no, but I'm assuming we're all humans here...
__________________
"Die Deutschen meinen, daß die Kraft sich in Härte und Grausamkeit offenbaren müsse, sie unterwerfen sich dann gerne und mit Bewunderung:[...]. Daß es Kraft giebt in der Milde und Stille, das glauben sie nicht leicht."

"The Germans believe that power must reveal itself in hardness and cruelty and then submit themselves gladly and with admiration[...]. They do not believe readily that there is power in meekness and calm."

-- Friedrich Nietzsche
asaris is offline  
Old 03-07-2006, 10:42 PM   #12 (permalink)
Addict
 
So then in the original scenario the person would cease to be a human when he or she died, but would still be conscious, and capable of creating her own heaven and hell.

But yea, I agree that the same happens in life, except evil people don't neccessarily live in their own hell, nor the good in heaven. That is why people need the ideas of heaven and hell. We don't understand good and evil in themselves, and need to attach them to pains and pleasures, which we do understand. Which reminds me of a Tool lyric: "Black then white are all I see in my infancy."
noahfor is offline  
Old 03-08-2006, 06:43 AM   #13 (permalink)
Mad Philosopher
 
asaris's Avatar
 
Location: Washington, DC
No, the person would be dead. We don't have some sort of 'soul' that can be separated from our body. How would this thing be conscious? We use our brains to think; what would this ghost use to think? We use our eyes to see; would this disembodied stuff be blind?
__________________
"Die Deutschen meinen, daß die Kraft sich in Härte und Grausamkeit offenbaren müsse, sie unterwerfen sich dann gerne und mit Bewunderung:[...]. Daß es Kraft giebt in der Milde und Stille, das glauben sie nicht leicht."

"The Germans believe that power must reveal itself in hardness and cruelty and then submit themselves gladly and with admiration[...]. They do not believe readily that there is power in meekness and calm."

-- Friedrich Nietzsche
asaris is offline  
Old 03-08-2006, 07:32 AM   #14 (permalink)
Addict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by asaris
No, the person would be dead. We don't have some sort of 'soul' that can be separated from our body. How would this thing be conscious? We use our brains to think; what would this ghost use to think? We use our eyes to see; would this disembodied stuff be blind?
Ok, so you do think having a body is neccessary for consciousness, which is not what you just said. Besides, I wasn't saying that that is the way it is, just that that is what the original poster believes. In his scenario the thing is blind, but it uses it's imagination to see. I don't believe his or her theory anyway. I was just trying to clear it up.

You raise the question of how this thing would be conscious. How are we conscious?
noahfor is offline  
Old 03-08-2006, 03:41 PM   #15 (permalink)
Mad Philosopher
 
asaris's Avatar
 
Location: Washington, DC
Actually, I don't think having a body is necessary for consciousness; I think it's necessary for human consciousness (in analogy to the statement that eyes are necessary for human visual perception -- some creatures have visual perception, but don't have eyes).

In brief answer to your second question, consciousness is an emergent property of the brain, kinda like wetness is an emergent property of water.
__________________
"Die Deutschen meinen, daß die Kraft sich in Härte und Grausamkeit offenbaren müsse, sie unterwerfen sich dann gerne und mit Bewunderung:[...]. Daß es Kraft giebt in der Milde und Stille, das glauben sie nicht leicht."

"The Germans believe that power must reveal itself in hardness and cruelty and then submit themselves gladly and with admiration[...]. They do not believe readily that there is power in meekness and calm."

-- Friedrich Nietzsche
asaris is offline  
Old 03-08-2006, 05:09 PM   #16 (permalink)
Junkie
 
SirLance's Avatar
 
Location: In the middle of the desert.
Conciousness is not predicated on a functioning brain, hence all the accurate reports from people having NDE's and seeing things around them that they had no line of sight to.

So, what do we do? Dunno. I think we live on, and that we go back to God, but many disagree.
__________________
DEMOCRACY is where your vote counts, FEUDALISM is where your count votes.
SirLance is offline  
Old 03-09-2006, 02:45 AM   #17 (permalink)
Crazy
 
Location: Grand Junction, CO
Honestly, I don't believe in what I wrote, it is just an interesting theory I made up. I haven't heard of anything like it, so I decided to post it. If this has already been thought of, and is in a religion, I would like to know so that I can see what that religion says about this theory.
__________________
"If you can hear this whispering you are dying."- Pink Floyd
Dungeon_Shade is offline  
Old 03-10-2006, 12:17 AM   #18 (permalink)
Upright
 
Location: Glendale, CA
I think before we go into any of the said topics in this thread, some major questions need to be addressed:

"the person will start creating things in the void, using his or her imagination"
Create things how?
"If you create something good in your void,"
How do you define good?

While a very interesting idea, it seems your idea is lacking in foundation. I realize the specifics of your example aren't as important as the concept of self-creation, but I thought that should be addressed. As for your speculation, there's a problem of infinite regress. Say that we are part of a universe created from the "eternity of creating" of a more powerful being. In turn, we take part in the eternity of creating, and within our created universe emerges other sentient beings. In turn they partake in an eternity of creating.
You can see where this is going. Nothing is proven. I believe it is a generally accepted view that such logical patterns are not worth following. You can believe it, but it's not useful in argumentation.
vjssy is offline  
 

Tags
theory

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:30 PM.

Tilted Forum Project

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
© 2002-2012 Tilted Forum Project

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360