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Willravel · 10-17-2004, 10:56 AM

You could have just said that you didn't believe. That's fine. No harm, no foul.

OR you could have read the whole thread and actually challenged the claims of those who are questioning the attacks (like my claims, for example). I'd prefer the latter. This is a discussion, after all.

biznatch · 10-17-2004, 01:38 PM

I appreciate this thread for the solid arguments...
but all the people who blindly trust their government and defend it to the death without trying to research some info (that doesnt come out of CNN's American Morning or FOXNews) should try to open their eyes... The govt. can't be trusted all the way..you can trust your friends and family, but can you really trust what American Media feeds you..
another issue is the bias from the news sources here...on CNN all the democratic reporters get the stupid non political cases, like the Laci Peterson story, while the republican reporters give the stories about 9/11, Iraq, all that.
So. Open your eyes. Read and respect what willravel and others are trying to say. Just because they don't give 100% trust in the US Govt and they have their own opinion doesnt mean their wrong. Because to believe that "America is always right because their army can kick anyone's ass" is just plain "I have a bigger dick than you" type of reasoning.
So let's all grow up. The TFP is about being mature. So research your shit a bit and back up your stuff.
OK, I'm done bitching.

Willravel · 10-17-2004, 02:29 PM

Thank you biznatch. I appreciate your positive input.

biznatch · 10-17-2004, 05:58 PM

no problemo brother, keep up the good work

JustDisGuy · 10-18-2004, 05:55 PM

Willravel - you pretty much hit the nail on the head, IMO. I downloaded and watched "In Plane Site" as a result of this thread. Being Canadian, I had never really paid much attention to the conspiracy theorists in this matter but after I started following this thread, it seemed worth looking into.

Based on that video, which is comprised of publicly aired news footage from major media outlets, a thoughtful person can only come to the conclusion that a conspiracy beyond that which was related to the public was (is?) afoot. There are just too many unanswered questions:
- What happened to the 757 that supposedly hit the Pentagon? The hole was far too small to have been caused by a jet of that size - why no debris? What about surveilance footage? Every inch of the place is on closed circuit television - let's see the tapes!
- What other explanation could there be for the bright flashes that occurred immediately prior to both planes impacting the towers? What was attached to the belly of the second plane?
- Why is it that all the emergency services personnel on-site describe the events as "bombs going off" and use phrases like "controlled demolition"?

Bush and his cronies (and these are obviously not all necessarily American!) have put into motion a plot to remove Freedom from the Common Man. Here in Canada, they're spending BILLIONS to force law abiding citizens to register their firearms. There's only one reason for it - so they know where they are when they come to take them away.

My opinion? Be prepared for a revolution. It is coming. Perhaps even another World War, but between factions that are not geographically seperate - essentially, a Global Civil War.

Of course, I might just be paranoid.

Sleepyjack · 10-19-2004, 09:52 AM

Not sure about the quality but in plane sight can be downlaoded here:

http://www.fourwinds10.com/news/05-g....html#download

Willravel · 10-20-2004, 07:51 AM

^DOWNLOAD THIS MOVIE^ (please)

locke23 · 10-20-2004, 04:33 PM

I would like to bring another aspect to the table. I do not know if any of you have nitced, but the planes where not American Airlines passanger planes. Several reporters and eyewitnesses stated that the plane had no windows and was too bulky to be a passanger airliner. One CNN reporter said that, to him, the plane fitted the profile of a cargo plane. With this information I have been led to believe that the media, and goverment's, report that the plane was hijaked is a cover-up as well. The phone calls from the plane, the report of hijakers with box knifes, and the goverments description of how they were hijaked are all called into question.
Also, right before the planes (both of them) crashed into their tower there was a momentary flash just off the nose of the plane. Many call it a possible reflection of sunlight, and I would believe that were it not for the four different angles it was seen from and the reflection of the flash down the side of the plane. Eyewitnesses and photos also tell that a large object was mounted underneath the plane. Surely airport security or maitenence would have noticed a large object stuck to the bottom of a plane, that is, if the plane was American Airlines, which is very unlikely. This object could be some sort of incinutory device but I cannot speculate on that with my limited understanding of what it actually was. I will post the pictures and give you links to my information shortly.
If anyone can please find more information or help adress this topic that would be fantastic.

locke23 · 10-20-2004, 04:34 PM

Most of my information is from the movie link above.

Willravel · 10-20-2004, 07:18 PM

Yea, it's a fantastic movie. I hope more people are exposed to it.

Booboo · 10-21-2004, 10:40 AM

I really dont understand how some people (not anyone here particularly, just in general) can not even stop to think about this stuff or even care. I showed In plain sight to a friend and all he could do was complain about how boring the guy talking was and how he would rather go to church. After he saw it he didn't have any comments and just wanted to play video games (and I know hes a smart person). I asked if another friend wanted to see it (he's an avid bush supporter, though he never gives any reasons for it.. more like blind fiath) and he showed no interest what so ever. It boggles my mind.

Willravel · 10-21-2004, 11:06 AM

I know. I've shown it to a good 20 people, and 2 others have actually been able to look at it with some perspective, and were able to admit that it is a possibility. I'm not sure if there is a direct connection between being intelligent, having an open mind, and knowing a lot of facts. I think that some people have some of those triats, but it takes an open mind to accept this. When I first started to question this, I was skeptical. It was only after discovering a lot of inconsistancies in the governments reports that I started to come around.

If you show it to 20 people, and 2 come areound, then maybe those 2 will show another 20. It's worth a try.

biznatch · 10-21-2004, 03:49 PM

Wel...I just saw the video and I don't say this a lot... but OHMYGOD. wow. how can anyone watch that and still unconditionally trust their media and gov't. Come on! please! Americans! open your eyes...since when does being a good american mean swallowing everything they feed you on the media? you can't watch 30 minutes of CNN per day and called yourself informed! watch the video! its there!
oh god.. this really sickens me, I can't believe that associations and media sources can hide so much from the people.. and I can't believe that people completely trust them....
Remember, what defines a man is his ability to question what another tells him.

Cynthetiq · 10-22-2004, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scout

There was a show on the Discovery {I think} channel about when the WTC was built there was some sort of problem with the bolts or ?? {can't remember really

} that was discovered several years later by a graduate student I believe. Anyway, rather than ramble, to fix the problem they went in at night and welded all the outer joints to prevent a failure during hurricane force winds.
Not to hijack such an interesting thread but does anyone else remember seeing this ?

that was the CITICORP building not the WTC.

Coppertop · 10-22-2004, 02:29 PM

This movie definitely raises some questions that have yet to be answered. Naysayers can nitpick willravel's arguments all they want, but I doubt anyone on this board can provide answers to the questions the movie asks.

ravenradiodj · 10-22-2004, 07:15 PM

Excellent movie, just scratches the surface, but very well done.

biznatch · 10-23-2004, 08:18 AM

yup however i have tried passing the links around...but my republican friends didnt even wanna watch it entirely, they called it bullshit as soon as the movie started to play
Its annoying they call themselves openminded, and don't even wanna see the other side of the argument. So w/e, i guess im sick of dealing with their asses, but I'll go on trying to pass the message, not to prove that the govt is behind this, just that they shouldnt trust their media as much as they do.

Willravel · 10-23-2004, 09:57 AM

There are plenty of secrets in this world. This is just one. If your friends don't want to know something more about the world around them, I suppose that's their decision. I, personally, can't understand why people would stop listening before ever getting the message. The only advise I can give you is to not tell them what they're watching before hand. It'll help them keep an open mind for a few extra seconds.

You - "Do you wanna watch a movie I downloaded?"
Him/Her - "Sure, what's it about?"
You - "You'll see...you'll definatally be interested."

I know the way it stars can turn off people. Try starting the movie in the middle. I like starting at about 46 minutes in where Bush is quoted lying about how he responded to the attacks. That, in and of itself, is a bomb to drop on people. "...I had seen this first plane fly into the first building..." Well actually, there was no footage of the first attack. Bong!

Obviously not all people will accept this. It's hard to take in in one sitting. If you think the cause is just, give it your best effort.

scout · 10-23-2004, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cynthetiq

that was the CITICORP building not the WTC.

Ok well sorry, I was thinking it was the WTC. Thanks!!

Willravel · 10-23-2004, 03:04 PM

Yea, the TWC was bolted, and welded.

Until the thermite charges went off, that is.

samcol · 10-27-2004, 07:34 PM

I have a few things that I don't think have been posted yet (forgive me if they have).

1. Zogy, one of the most repected polling organizations in the world, determined that "Half of New Yorkers Believe US Leaders Had Foreknowledge of Impending 9-11 Attacks and “Consciously Failed” to act"
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855

2. The 9/11 commission said above all 9/11 was a "failure of imagination."
The CIA running drills on 9/11 depicting flying planes into buildings doesn't sound like a failure of imagination. Maybe NORAD failed to act because they thought it was just a drill.
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/cia-simulation.htm

The next two are very interesting video clips.

3. Protestors showing what a fraud the 9/11 commission is because they didn't ask Giuliani about WTC 7 command bunker.
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/...iuliani911.htm

4. Alex Jones on local access television on the summer of '01 telling people to call the white house and tell them not to carry out terror attacks. This one is quite amazing if you ask me.
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/...alexwarned.htm

Willravel · 10-28-2004, 07:47 AM

I have to admit I had no idea about the clip from Alex Jones. That was a fantastic addition to this discussion. Thank you very, very much samcol.
Any doubts are fading...

Booboo · 10-28-2004, 09:40 AM

Wow that was a great clip.

Bustello · 10-28-2004, 09:01 PM

If this incident had happened in another country, there would have never been so many conspiration theories around...

Willravel · 10-29-2004, 08:03 AM

If this had happened in another country, FEMA would have not investigated it (the 'f' in FEMA stands for federal, so their ruling is the official ruling of our government). If this had happened in another country, we probably would not have gone to war with Iraq. If this had not happened in America, 3000 people still would have died. If I died under odd circumstances, I would want people to know the truth. I would want my family to know the truth.

hrandani · 05-10-2005, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onewolf

Having worked for the federal government for 20+ years, all I can say is that you guys have way, way, WAY too much confidence in the ability of our governement. To think they could pull this off, in broad daylight while simultaneously controlling and manipulating the news media is just comical at best. I will say this: if there is an organization that faked this - it is certainly not the US government - but a group much more globally powerful. And a stealth group at that. A group like the old white guys in the X-files.

I just love it when you people go with this excuse. Have you ever heard of the Hapsburgs? Royal families that continue on in all the echelons of power for years and years? What makes you think they don't exist in America? You know Cheney, Bush and Rumsfield are related?

Just because you worked in some area of the federal government does not mean you know how the entire world works. Just because the army can't do x doesn't mean the SEALS can't.

hrandani · 05-10-2005, 08:51 AM

Also, Alex Jones is my hero. Bill Hicks was too, too bad the government gave him cancer.

fastom · 05-10-2005, 10:29 PM

I noticed the flash from the plane in real time coverage. If you had the VCR on that day and still have the tape run it in slo-mo and it's obvious.

Since telling the truth seems to be rare in that mess i wonder if the death toll is actual. Were the airline flights even real? I recall a link somewhere that at least one of the flights was not even scheduled to fly. If the people reported to be on the flights are missing where are they?

The same day news is much more believable than news stories since. It's always been that way, the daily newspaper my dad has kept since November 22nd 1963 reports a bunch of gunshots... the official story hadn't been made up in time for a newspaper that came to a house thousands of miles away that same afternoon.

fastom · 05-17-2005, 07:27 PM

That movie wouldn't even fit on my hard drive, but here's a spectators view of the tower deal.

http://www.foureyes.com/towers/

The pictures are very nicely detailed, you can see the shrapnel flying when the plane hits. Look at the one of the tower collapse, smoke from the lower floors... don't most buildings they blow up on purpose do that?

biznatch · 05-18-2005, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastom

That movie wouldn't even fit on my hard drive, but here's a spectators view of the tower deal.

http://www.foureyes.com/towers/

The pictures are very nicely detailed, you can see the shrapnel flying when the plane hits. Look at the one of the tower collapse, smoke from the lower floors... don't most buildings they blow up on purpose do that?

Someone told me that's from the inside of the building, each floor collapsing on the lower in the inside, while the outer structure remains similar looking.
But i don't know.
I have trouble believing that every floor was rigged with bombs.
I wish we could know what truly happened.

Grasshopper Green · 05-18-2005, 05:46 PM

I'm downloading this right now....I'll watch it tomorrow. I'm quite intrigued.

Grasshopper Green · 05-22-2005, 04:51 PM

Ok, I have no idea how to use the winrar thing....anyone have any tips?

Edit: grrrrrr...I figured it out but the copy I downloaded was damaged or something because it wouldn't play. I really wanted to see this too

blahblah454 · 05-29-2005, 03:46 PM

Downloading Movie now, will let you know what I think when I finaly watch it. That was a very interesting clip by Alex Jones

blahblah454 · 05-31-2005, 09:09 PM

That was a pretty crazy movie, I am currently making VCD's of it to give to people I work with.

Grasshopper Green · 06-01-2005, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blahblah454

That was a pretty crazy movie, I am currently making VCD's of it to give to people I work with.

Would you be willing to make me one if I paid you for the time, cost of materials, and shipping? I really, really want to see this but I can't seem to get a good download of it. Actually, if there is anyone who would do this for me (I hate to put one person on the spot), please PM me...I would really appreciate it.

Grasshopper Green · 06-24-2005, 06:12 PM

I finally got around to watching this. Holy shit. That's all I can really say. There was a little in there I'd already seen but a whole bunch of info I didn't know about. Very, very disturbing. My hubby thinks I'm crazy for "buying" into this, but I think he's crazy for not having an open mind about it.

Ustwo · 06-24-2005, 09:33 PM

Edit: ACK! I almost posted in this thread....christ what was I thinking.

dlish · 06-25-2005, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackthorn

. There were some twenty evil boys from the middle east who throughout their lives were led to believe very nasty hateful things about America.

id have you know that many of the highjackers lived in european and western countries and lived a quite 'unislamic' lifestyle except for the last few months prior to 911. they attended strip clubs, drank alcohol and dated women. hardly a lifestyle of those hardliners who hated america and what it stood for.

you comments make it sound like all middle easterners have a violent inclination of hatred towards the US through some form of brainwashing through their lives. i find this thought abhorrent in all honesty.

dickie · 06-28-2005, 08:08 AM

God , cant we just leave this in our past and move forward ?

biznatch · 06-28-2005, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dickie

God , cant we just leave this in our past and move forward ?

Yeah, why not? And let's forget about finding out who killed JFK. And I'm not even gonna talk about forgetting the holocaust, and stuff like that...
If you wanna go ahead and forget about it, do so. I think 3,000 people killed demands some investigation. Also, because some pieces of the puzzle don't fit together, hence this whole "conspiracy theory" as some might call it (I just think its a search for what really happened), we want to know. And I haven't even lost anyone I know in this tragedy. Some people have, and the they have trouble believing what the media is telling them because a lot of it is unclear.
So this is the purpose of the thread, to learn, investigate and tell other people interesting facts to make them think. Before you bash on the thread, read it, watch the videos that were spoken of...you might find them interesting. If you disagree with them, you can say so as well. However we won't "move forward" because there's plenty of stuff we don't know yet.

10-18-2004, 05:55 PM	#85 (permalink)
JustDisGuy Insane Location: Saskatchewan	Willravel - you pretty much hit the nail on the head, IMO. I downloaded and watched "In Plane Site" as a result of this thread. Being Canadian, I had never really paid much attention to the conspiracy theorists in this matter but after I started following this thread, it seemed worth looking into. Based on that video, which is comprised of publicly aired news footage from major media outlets, a thoughtful person can only come to the conclusion that a conspiracy beyond that which was related to the public was (is?) afoot. There are just too many unanswered questions: - What happened to the 757 that supposedly hit the Pentagon? The hole was far too small to have been caused by a jet of that size - why no debris? What about surveilance footage? Every inch of the place is on closed circuit television - let's see the tapes! - What other explanation could there be for the bright flashes that occurred immediately prior to both planes impacting the towers? What was attached to the belly of the second plane? - Why is it that all the emergency services personnel on-site describe the events as "bombs going off" and use phrases like "controlled demolition"? Bush and his cronies (and these are obviously not all necessarily American!) have put into motion a plot to remove Freedom from the Common Man. Here in Canada, they're spending BILLIONS to force law abiding citizens to register their firearms. There's only one reason for it - so they know where they are when they come to take them away. My opinion? Be prepared for a revolution. It is coming. Perhaps even another World War, but between factions that are not geographically seperate - essentially, a Global Civil War. Of course, I might just be paranoid. __________________ "Act as if the future of the universe depends on what you do, while laughing at yourself for thinking that your actions make any difference."

10-21-2004, 10:40 AM	#91 (permalink)
Booboo Insane	I really dont understand how some people (not anyone here particularly, just in general) can not even stop to think about this stuff or even care. I showed In plain sight to a friend and all he could do was complain about how boring the guy talking was and how he would rather go to church. After he saw it he didn't have any comments and just wanted to play video games (and I know hes a smart person). I asked if another friend wanted to see it (he's an avid bush supporter, though he never gives any reasons for it.. more like blind fiath) and he showed no interest what so ever. It boggles my mind. __________________ "Your life is yours to live, go out and live it" - Richard Rahl

10-27-2004, 07:34 PM	#101 (permalink)
samcol Junkie Location: Indiana	I have a few things that I don't think have been posted yet (forgive me if they have). 1. Zogy, one of the most repected polling organizations in the world, determined that "Half of New Yorkers Believe US Leaders Had Foreknowledge of Impending 9-11 Attacks and “Consciously Failed” to act" http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855 2. The 9/11 commission said above all 9/11 was a "failure of imagination." The CIA running drills on 9/11 depicting flying planes into buildings doesn't sound like a failure of imagination. Maybe NORAD failed to act because they thought it was just a drill. http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/cia-simulation.htm The next two are very interesting video clips. 3. Protestors showing what a fraud the 9/11 commission is because they didn't ask Giuliani about WTC 7 command bunker. http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/...iuliani911.htm 4. Alex Jones on local access television on the summer of '01 telling people to call the white house and tell them not to carry out terror attacks. This one is quite amazing if you ask me. http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/...alexwarned.htm Last edited by samcol; 10-27-2004 at 07:40 PM..

10-28-2004, 09:40 AM	#103 (permalink)
Booboo Insane	Wow that was a great clip. __________________ "Your life is yours to live, go out and live it" - Richard Rahl

05-18-2005, 05:46 PM	#111 (permalink)
Grasshopper Green ...is a comical chap Location: Where morons reign supreme	I'm downloading this right now....I'll watch it tomorrow. I'm quite intrigued. __________________ "They say that patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings; steal a little and they throw you in jail, steal a lot and they make you king" Formerly Medusa

10-17-2004, 10:56 AM	#81 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	You could have just said that you didn't believe. That's fine. No harm, no foul. OR you could have read the whole thread and actually challenged the claims of those who are questioning the attacks (like my claims, for example). I'd prefer the latter. This is a discussion, after all.

10-17-2004, 01:38 PM	#82 (permalink)
biznatch Junkie Location: France	I appreciate this thread for the solid arguments... but all the people who blindly trust their government and defend it to the death without trying to research some info (that doesnt come out of CNN's American Morning or FOXNews) should try to open their eyes... The govt. can't be trusted all the way..you can trust your friends and family, but can you really trust what American Media feeds you.. another issue is the bias from the news sources here...on CNN all the democratic reporters get the stupid non political cases, like the Laci Peterson story, while the republican reporters give the stories about 9/11, Iraq, all that. So. Open your eyes. Read and respect what willravel and others are trying to say. Just because they don't give 100% trust in the US Govt and they have their own opinion doesnt mean their wrong. Because to believe that "America is always right because their army can kick anyone's ass" is just plain "I have a bigger dick than you" type of reasoning. So let's all grow up. The TFP is about being mature. So research your shit a bit and back up your stuff. OK, I'm done bitching.

10-17-2004, 02:29 PM	#83 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Thank you biznatch. I appreciate your positive input.

10-17-2004, 05:58 PM	#84 (permalink)
biznatch Junkie Location: France	no problemo brother, keep up the good work

10-19-2004, 09:52 AM	#86 (permalink)
Sleepyjack Fast'n'Bulbous Location: Australia, Perth	Not sure about the quality but in plane sight can be downlaoded here: http://www.fourwinds10.com/news/05-g....html#download

10-20-2004, 07:51 AM	#87 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	^DOWNLOAD THIS MOVIE^ (please)

10-20-2004, 04:33 PM	#88 (permalink)
locke23 Upright	I would like to bring another aspect to the table. I do not know if any of you have nitced, but the planes where not American Airlines passanger planes. Several reporters and eyewitnesses stated that the plane had no windows and was too bulky to be a passanger airliner. One CNN reporter said that, to him, the plane fitted the profile of a cargo plane. With this information I have been led to believe that the media, and goverment's, report that the plane was hijaked is a cover-up as well. The phone calls from the plane, the report of hijakers with box knifes, and the goverments description of how they were hijaked are all called into question. Also, right before the planes (both of them) crashed into their tower there was a momentary flash just off the nose of the plane. Many call it a possible reflection of sunlight, and I would believe that were it not for the four different angles it was seen from and the reflection of the flash down the side of the plane. Eyewitnesses and photos also tell that a large object was mounted underneath the plane. Surely airport security or maitenence would have noticed a large object stuck to the bottom of a plane, that is, if the plane was American Airlines, which is very unlikely. This object could be some sort of incinutory device but I cannot speculate on that with my limited understanding of what it actually was. I will post the pictures and give you links to my information shortly. If anyone can please find more information or help adress this topic that would be fantastic.

10-20-2004, 04:34 PM	#89 (permalink)
locke23 Upright	Most of my information is from the movie link above.

10-20-2004, 07:18 PM	#90 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Yea, it's a fantastic movie. I hope more people are exposed to it.

10-21-2004, 11:06 AM	#92 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	I know. I've shown it to a good 20 people, and 2 others have actually been able to look at it with some perspective, and were able to admit that it is a possibility. I'm not sure if there is a direct connection between being intelligent, having an open mind, and knowing a lot of facts. I think that some people have some of those triats, but it takes an open mind to accept this. When I first started to question this, I was skeptical. It was only after discovering a lot of inconsistancies in the governments reports that I started to come around. If you show it to 20 people, and 2 come areound, then maybe those 2 will show another 20. It's worth a try.

10-21-2004, 03:49 PM	#93 (permalink)
biznatch Junkie Location: France	Wel...I just saw the video and I don't say this a lot... but OHMYGOD. wow. how can anyone watch that and still unconditionally trust their media and gov't. Come on! please! Americans! open your eyes...since when does being a good american mean swallowing everything they feed you on the media? you can't watch 30 minutes of CNN per day and called yourself informed! watch the video! its there! oh god.. this really sickens me, I can't believe that associations and media sources can hide so much from the people.. and I can't believe that people completely trust them.... Remember, what defines a man is his ability to question what another tells him.

10-22-2004, 02:29 PM	#95 (permalink)
Coppertop Getting Medieval on your ass Location: 13th century Europe	This movie definitely raises some questions that have yet to be answered. Naysayers can nitpick willravel's arguments all they want, but I doubt anyone on this board can provide answers to the questions the movie asks.

10-22-2004, 07:15 PM	#96 (permalink)
ravenradiodj Crazy	Excellent movie, just scratches the surface, but very well done.

10-23-2004, 08:18 AM	#97 (permalink)
biznatch Junkie Location: France	yup however i have tried passing the links around...but my republican friends didnt even wanna watch it entirely, they called it bullshit as soon as the movie started to play Its annoying they call themselves openminded, and don't even wanna see the other side of the argument. So w/e, i guess im sick of dealing with their asses, but I'll go on trying to pass the message, not to prove that the govt is behind this, just that they shouldnt trust their media as much as they do.

10-23-2004, 09:57 AM	#98 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	There are plenty of secrets in this world. This is just one. If your friends don't want to know something more about the world around them, I suppose that's their decision. I, personally, can't understand why people would stop listening before ever getting the message. The only advise I can give you is to not tell them what they're watching before hand. It'll help them keep an open mind for a few extra seconds. You - "Do you wanna watch a movie I downloaded?" Him/Her - "Sure, what's it about?" You - "You'll see...you'll definatally be interested." I know the way it stars can turn off people. Try starting the movie in the middle. I like starting at about 46 minutes in where Bush is quoted lying about how he responded to the attacks. That, in and of itself, is a bomb to drop on people. "...I had seen this first plane fly into the first building..." Well actually, there was no footage of the first attack. Bong! Obviously not all people will accept this. It's hard to take in in one sitting. If you think the cause is just, give it your best effort.

10-23-2004, 03:04 PM	#100 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Yea, the TWC was bolted, and welded. Until the thermite charges went off, that is.

10-28-2004, 07:47 AM	#102 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	I have to admit I had no idea about the clip from Alex Jones. That was a fantastic addition to this discussion. Thank you very, very much samcol. Any doubts are fading...

10-28-2004, 09:01 PM	#104 (permalink)
Bustello Upright	If this incident had happened in another country, there would have never been so many conspiration theories around...

10-29-2004, 08:03 AM	#105 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	If this had happened in another country, FEMA would have not investigated it (the 'f' in FEMA stands for federal, so their ruling is the official ruling of our government). If this had happened in another country, we probably would not have gone to war with Iraq. If this had not happened in America, 3000 people still would have died. If I died under odd circumstances, I would want people to know the truth. I would want my family to know the truth.

05-10-2005, 08:51 AM	#107 (permalink)
hrandani Insane	Also, Alex Jones is my hero. Bill Hicks was too, too bad the government gave him cancer.

05-10-2005, 10:29 PM	#108 (permalink)
fastom Psycho Location: way out west	I noticed the flash from the plane in real time coverage. If you had the VCR on that day and still have the tape run it in slo-mo and it's obvious. Since telling the truth seems to be rare in that mess i wonder if the death toll is actual. Were the airline flights even real? I recall a link somewhere that at least one of the flights was not even scheduled to fly. If the people reported to be on the flights are missing where are they? The same day news is much more believable than news stories since. It's always been that way, the daily newspaper my dad has kept since November 22nd 1963 reports a bunch of gunshots... the official story hadn't been made up in time for a newspaper that came to a house thousands of miles away that same afternoon.

05-17-2005, 07:27 PM	#109 (permalink)
fastom Psycho Location: way out west	That movie wouldn't even fit on my hard drive, but here's a spectators view of the tower deal. http://www.foureyes.com/towers/ The pictures are very nicely detailed, you can see the shrapnel flying when the plane hits. Look at the one of the tower collapse, smoke from the lower floors... don't most buildings they blow up on purpose do that?

05-22-2005, 04:51 PM	#112 (permalink)
Grasshopper Green ...is a comical chap Location: Where morons reign supreme	Ok, I have no idea how to use the winrar thing....anyone have any tips? Edit: grrrrrr...I figured it out but the copy I downloaded was damaged or something because it wouldn't play. I really wanted to see this too __________________ "They say that patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings; steal a little and they throw you in jail, steal a lot and they make you king" Formerly Medusa Last edited by Grasshopper Green; 05-22-2005 at 04:57 PM..

05-29-2005, 03:46 PM	#113 (permalink)
blahblah454 Let's put a smile on that face Location: On the road...	Downloading Movie now, will let you know what I think when I finaly watch it. That was a very interesting clip by Alex Jones

05-31-2005, 09:09 PM	#114 (permalink)
blahblah454 Let's put a smile on that face Location: On the road...	That was a pretty crazy movie, I am currently making VCD's of it to give to people I work with.

06-24-2005, 06:12 PM	#116 (permalink)
Grasshopper Green ...is a comical chap Location: Where morons reign supreme	I finally got around to watching this. Holy shit. That's all I can really say. There was a little in there I'd already seen but a whole bunch of info I didn't know about. Very, very disturbing. My hubby thinks I'm crazy for "buying" into this, but I think he's crazy for not having an open mind about it. __________________ "They say that patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings; steal a little and they throw you in jail, steal a lot and they make you king" Formerly Medusa

06-24-2005, 09:33 PM	#117 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	Edit: ACK! I almost posted in this thread....christ what was I thinking. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps. Last edited by Ustwo; 06-24-2005 at 09:43 PM..

06-28-2005, 08:08 AM	#119 (permalink)
dickie Upright Location: connecticut	God , cant we just leave this in our past and move forward ? __________________ The Beating will continue until moral improves .