Rhuwen

I was watching the discovery channel the other day and thought of something. animal population is kept in check by it's food source and by it's natural predators. If or when a species is introduced somewhere they have no predators, they will grow in number and spread and consume untill either A) they die from starvation because they have exhausted their food source, or B) a natural predator is introduced and they are brought under controll. This is the natural balance in anture, and EVERY animal on this planet is like this, all but one. If you asked any person what the natural predators of humans are, they would say they don't have one. That is false. (ok, here i might go into my conspiracy mode and start spewing bull, so if you cant take this lightly stop here)

We are our own natural predators, and in all seriousness that's not really a bad thing. Sure, if we could all live in peace and that bullshit it would be nice, but we would have to A) move off planet or B) volunteer to stop having kids so damned much, and you know that's not going to happen. So is it totally out there that (conspiracy alert!!!) our/some government has thought of this very thing? Think about it, media is SATURATED with violence and it is widely accepted (end of life) but show some nudity or sex (making life) and everyone is outraged. Is this our society's way of subconciously telling us that killing ourselves is ok? That we need to keep the population down ourselves? This also is anoter great reason to have a war, sure it could be over money and whatever, but a great side effect is keeping our population down.

Ok, I will say that I do enjoy reading about conspiracies and all that, not saying I buy into them, just that I enjoy them, and have seen one about 9/11. Now sure this is a touchy subject for some people, (what subject isn't touchy to at least someone) but what if this was a planned way to "take the population down a notch" I mean, t buildings, thousands of people down rather easily.

I'm going to end here, feel free to leave a message and tell me how wrong I am, or if you agree. Just had to put an idea I had down, and what better place than here.

tehblaed

I agree with you,

But you're forgetting disease.

Rhuwen

Of course, after I post this a friend points out what I forgot. He pointed out how bad our food is, and how obeese our population is getting, lowering our life spans. Also, how over priced our medication is and that (real conspiracies) diseases are spread on purpose.

Date the Banana

Only problem I have with the 9/11 part of the theory is that 3000 people is such a minuscule fraction of the populace that it's barely worth it. It'd be like calling eating one less potato chip than before going on a diet.

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slimshaydee

manitees dont have natural predators, neither do elephants
you cannot say the human is a predator, because we dont kill them for food

Thagrastay

The population thing is a myth.
Here is your real conspiracy- you have been lied to about the population explosion.
There are aproximately 6 billion people on the planet now.
You could take every single one of them and put them in Oregon and the rest of the planet would be devoid of human life. All the crops raised in california and oregon would feed those 6 billion people and the rest of the world would remain empty of humans. The United States alone produces enough food each day to feed the world twice over. We dump more milk into the ocean than we ever drink.
There is no need for population control. It is a myth. There is no population explosion- do the math yourself.
the conspiracy question for you to consider would really be- Why does someone want us to believe there is, and who are the people behind it?

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ladyadmin

Correct me if I'm wrong but manitees and elephants are protected now?

Manitees get injured and killed by human negligence while boating through waters where they exist in their natural habitat. Elephants have been poached for years for their ivory tusks. In this scenario, can we consider humans being their predators? Or are you saying that a predator is just one who goes after food?

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hulk

I'd like to see some info on this. I did some math, and the amount of people in the world is growing exponentially. It's not so bad in Western countries, but we are an absolute minority when it comes to the world's population. We make the most food, and eat the most food. Can you see the problem?

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Crack

We dump milk into the ocean? Why? That's just silly...

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Jesus Malverde

We also store a CRAP load of cheese and milk and all the other agricultural surplus caused by subsidies, sometimes until it spoils. Thats even more silly to me.

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Thagrastay

This isn't rocket science, hulk. Why do you always find issue with me?
Even if there were 13 billion people roaming the planet, the earth produces more than enough food to feed them all. With the agricultural technology we have today and the knowledge, experience and techniques available to us, we can feed considerably more than that even now.
Jesus Malverde hit it right on the head- even what we produce now spoils as we store it. Our surpluses last only so long. Storage and containment is the biggest problem.
Corrupt governments interrupting the distribution of foods top their people is another- third-world persons living in deserts and nearly uninhabitable areas is another.
The tillable areas of our planet are large enough to sustain the worls for centuries and centuries to come, despite the rapidity of population growth.
Besides, War and bacteria and plague have a way of culling the human herd also, so there is that consideration.
Crackprogram, we dump milk inot the Ocean because it biodegradable, rapidly dissipates and it otherwise spoils if it isn't destroyed. The amount of Milk produced inthe US alone is staggering.
For those individuals among you who are still in college, I suggest you challenge what you are being taught. Your instructors work for you. Remember that universities andcolleges are nothing more than businesses providing a service and you are paying for that service. Do not merely accept what you recive at face value. Critical Thinking will cause the Establishment to produce and change and evolve it's skills and adapt to meet your demands.
You are in charge. Never forget that.
For those who have already graduated, continue to criticaly think. Challenge what you have learned. Do not blindly accept that just because you have been told a thing that makes it so. Demand satisfaction and discover the truth. NOt A truth, but the Concrete Truth of matter.
The enormous amount of time and money you invested in your education dem,ands that you are owed these answers and iut is up to you to ensure that you receive them.
Here is your conspiracy.
Here is your conspiracy.
Hulkie, do your math. Research agriculture and production.
You have been lied to. The question is Why?
The bigger questions are: By whom and for what purpose?

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theburner

<i>Even if there were 13 Billion people roaming the planet, the earth produces more than enough to feed them all. </i>
Thegrastay, I agree with you to an extent. Yes, the earth SHOULD be able to sustain that many people. However, a great deal of the people live in area's that don't have access to the Earthly Bread Baskets.
"Roughly one fifth of the World Population currently lives in the more developed regions, including Australia/New Zealand, Europe, Japan, and North America. The remaining 80 Percent live in developing Countries like Africa (13 percent), Asia and Oceania (58 Percent) and Latin American and the Caribbean (8 percent)."
Taken from the UN Population Division.
That being said, we would then have to transport food to these area's and provide it at deeply subsidized rates/ or free. Personally, I subscribe to the achronym "Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life."
Conspiracy? Maybe... Indifference to the plight of others due to lack of political interest? Definately.

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SaltPork

Maybe elephants are a manatee's natural predator and we just don't know it because one is a land animal and the other is a sea mammal. I bet if you put them together the elephant would rip that fucking manatee to pieces, that little swimming bastard.

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theburner

<b>wrkime</b> NO DOUBT! Manatee's are like the hippy's of Intercoastal. Do nothing but float around with a super case of the munchies.

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jujueye

No, it is the American way. It is well documented that most European broadcasters show very little violence, and far more sex and nudity. We're just watching tv on the wrong side of the Atlantic.

Johnny Rotten

Thagrastay, you're forgetting one important factor, respectfully. There is no technology in the world that could properly and quickly dispose of all the sewage 6 billion people squeezed into Oregon would create. Sanititation in general would be impossible to maintain.

Then there's public transportation (as private transportation would be impossible), crime, water drainage, electricity, and a few other things I'm probably forgetting. There's more to it than sheer food production and square footage of habitable space.

Sure, we can probably feed billions of more people, but our societal infrastructure does not progress at nearly the level of our food-producing technologies. We're still mired in bitter arguments over welfare, drug legalization, prostitution, social security, federal subsidies. Cities are commonly a morass of civil entaglements that manage to trudge along through force of human will rather than gadetry or sociological breakthroughs. If you think you and I would be able to have widlly differing opinions in close quarters for an extended period of time, one needs to look no further than Palestine for a rebuttal to that argument.

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rev_skarekroe

I dunno.
I think those sea-cows can be surprisingly vicious when cornered...

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ariekitten

*in homer simpson voice*
"mmmmm.....conspiracies....."

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Thagrastay

The whole point was that the population of the entire planet could be transported to Oregon and they would FIT there! In fact, they could all live in the United States comfortably and we could then use most of the US for agricultural as well. That would open up the whole of Europe, Asia, Australia and the Far East to agriculture and industry as well.
The point being that the human population explosion is, in fact, a load of crap and you have been lied to.

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HammerHand

Mathematically that sounds right, I suppose.
But people ARE getting indoctrinated for violence and desensitized all the same.
Oregon is a nice place, but I'd reather live in California.

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