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junglistic · 11-04-2003, 05:20 AM

think about a world without STD's...

What would hold the population back from having sex? The only thing i beleive the general public would think of is creating new life. The boom in population would kill our economy. STD's are an excellent scare factor, because we as a society are idiots, we do what feels good.

Could it be possible STD's are man made? Could they be easily cured, but the government doesnt want the cure's released?

Am i way off? Anyone disagree, agree?

Devilchild · 11-04-2003, 12:09 PM

i disagree, there are so many freelance scientists that if it was easy to find a cure there would of been one found ages ago.

junglistic · 11-04-2003, 01:10 PM

maybe not easy, but maybe the medical society feels they shouldnt put any money into researching it.

You dont think they have a cure for the common cold? or influenza? or a simple headache? Your kidding yourself if you dont.

Medicinal companies make their billions of dollars off those illnesses alone. Why would they give out a one shot fix, when they can keep them coming back.

Devilchild · 11-04-2003, 02:54 PM

can you show me why you think they have cures for headaches and the common cold?

GakFace · 11-05-2003, 12:16 AM

Damn.. Either way this is where I love my immune system, the cold doesn't do a damn thing to me! The flu comes off as the mildest cough you've ever witnessed.

I don't think STD's were man made. Regardless of that though, even if they were.. they have still mutated since their original form. This means that even if they once were easily cured, they no longer are....

junglistic · 11-05-2003, 05:04 AM

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Originally posted by Devilchild
can you show me why you think they have cures for headaches and the common cold?

the best i can do is tell you why.

It seems hard to beleive how far technology has gone, we have the ability to clone human beings, some types cancer is now cureable, aids now has treatments, i mean the list potentially goes on and on.

And your telling me they cant give a one shot cure to the common cold? Something that millions of people are sick with right now? It makes way more sense for them not to cure something like that.

Less extreme cases of the common cold are not life threatening, but will have most people sick for 6-9 days. So within these days, people will be buying their medicine. I can bet thats where 80% of pharmacutical companies money comes from. The quick fix drugs. Basically, from a business standpoint, they would be stupid to change things from the way they are.

VitaminH · 11-06-2003, 09:40 PM

Viruses like the common cold and influenza, and HIV for that matter are almost impossible to have this wonderful 'one shot cure'. The reason why is referred to I believe as antigenic drift. An antigen is considered anything that causes an immune response in your body, i.e. GENerating ANTIbodies. In this case, it would be the outer coat of the virus, since this is what your body comes into direct contact with. The problem with the viruses that cause colds, the flu and HIV amongst many others is that these antigens keep changing.

When the virus infects you and uses your body as a factory to make more copies of itself, it carries with it some of the machinery that it uses to make these copies. In these viruses, this machinery is essentially defective because it makes mistakes. Not huge mistakes, but big enough to alter what the virus "looks like" to your body.

What a vaccine (one shot cure) does is presents to your body, in some form or another these antigens without the invasive infectious stuff with it, so the body can go ahead and prepare itself (via complicated measures you don't want me to get into) for the next encounter with it.

This is the reason you only get things like the chickenpox once. The chickenpox virus doesnt change constantly like colds the flu and HIV does, so once your body has devloped specific defensive measures against it, it can't fully reinfect you. A minor infection could occur, but your immune system would put it down before anything drastic happened, since its seen it before.

Now, colds, the flu and HIV are constantly changing, so there is no way to 'show' your body what the coating of the virus looks like so it can ready its defenes, simply because the outer coat is constantly changing. This is why HIV kills you, it's coat changes so fast that your immune system literally can't keep up with it, so it can't generate proper defenses against it, since a big part of your immune response is based off of these devloped defenses to the coat of the virus. As well as why you need to get a flu shot every year. The flu virus changes, albeit not as much as HIV but it still does. We then look at what particular 'coats' are going to be most popular in the US each year, and make a vaccine accordingly. Colds and HIV change to fast for even somthing like this to be effective, sadly.

Now, I can understand your point as to companies make lots of money by not looking for a cure for colds and the flu, and this is probably why not much research was done on finding a cure, but HIV is a whole other story. Since the worldwide epidemic of HIV has occured, tons more research has gone into studying viruses that change coats so fast, and some vaccines are being tried out, but so far every one that has been tried has failed

so people continue to die.

Sorry for the long post, just wanted to clear some things up that I thought were inaccurate...

Devilchild · 11-07-2003, 06:30 AM

Thankyou for that post, taught me

i knew roughly it was somthing like that, but now i know exactly.

thankyou for taking the time to write that out.

Washington · 11-08-2003, 10:25 AM

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Originally posted by VitaminH
Viruses like the common cold and influenza, and HIV for that matter are almost impossible to have this wonderful 'one shot cure'. The reason g post, just wanted to clear some things up that I thought were inaccurate...

He must be in on it!

jk

krispkrackalin · 11-12-2003, 09:12 PM

hahahahahhaha stds are real no joke, one fool around the way broke out in some weird ass shit, stds aint no ploy, but the govt did start aids, so they prolly started all the stds tryn to kill of minoriites, but then it leaked out into the white population so it had to then be known worldwide. ha ha ha ha stds a govt ploy

taliendo · 11-23-2003, 11:54 PM

SO, if STD's aren't a government ploy, does that mean that they were sent down by God to ensure the practice of abstinence of fornication (a common Christian objective?)

just a question, not implying that I already have an informed answer. . .

Looften · 12-01-2003, 05:43 PM

Humans are not the only creatures to have STD's, and they surely aren't a new thing. They are, after all, just viruses and bacteria that happen to be transmitted through sexual contact. How far do viruses and bacteria date back? Even good old HIV was originally carried in animals other than humans.

11-04-2003, 05:20 AM	#1 (permalink)
junglistic Insane	STD's.... Gov't ploy? think about a world without STD's... What would hold the population back from having sex? The only thing i beleive the general public would think of is creating new life. The boom in population would kill our economy. STD's are an excellent scare factor, because we as a society are idiots, we do what feels good. Could it be possible STD's are man made? Could they be easily cured, but the government doesnt want the cure's released? Am i way off? Anyone disagree, agree?

11-05-2003, 12:16 AM	#5 (permalink)
GakFace Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!! Location: IN, USA	Damn.. Either way this is where I love my immune system, the cold doesn't do a damn thing to me! The flu comes off as the mildest cough you've ever witnessed. I don't think STD's were man made. Regardless of that though, even if they were.. they have still mutated since their original form. This means that even if they once were easily cured, they no longer are.... __________________ RoboBlaster: Welcome to the club! Not that I'm in the club. And there really isn'a a club in the first place. But if there was a club and if I was in it, I would definitely welcome you to it.

11-06-2003, 09:40 PM	#7 (permalink)
VitaminH An embarrassment to myself and those around me... Location: Pants	Viruses like the common cold and influenza, and HIV for that matter are almost impossible to have this wonderful 'one shot cure'. The reason why is referred to I believe as antigenic drift. An antigen is considered anything that causes an immune response in your body, i.e. GENerating ANTIbodies. In this case, it would be the outer coat of the virus, since this is what your body comes into direct contact with. The problem with the viruses that cause colds, the flu and HIV amongst many others is that these antigens keep changing. When the virus infects you and uses your body as a factory to make more copies of itself, it carries with it some of the machinery that it uses to make these copies. In these viruses, this machinery is essentially defective because it makes mistakes. Not huge mistakes, but big enough to alter what the virus "looks like" to your body. What a vaccine (one shot cure) does is presents to your body, in some form or another these antigens without the invasive infectious stuff with it, so the body can go ahead and prepare itself (via complicated measures you don't want me to get into) for the next encounter with it. This is the reason you only get things like the chickenpox once. The chickenpox virus doesnt change constantly like colds the flu and HIV does, so once your body has devloped specific defensive measures against it, it can't fully reinfect you. A minor infection could occur, but your immune system would put it down before anything drastic happened, since its seen it before. Now, colds, the flu and HIV are constantly changing, so there is no way to 'show' your body what the coating of the virus looks like so it can ready its defenes, simply because the outer coat is constantly changing. This is why HIV kills you, it's coat changes so fast that your immune system literally can't keep up with it, so it can't generate proper defenses against it, since a big part of your immune response is based off of these devloped defenses to the coat of the virus. As well as why you need to get a flu shot every year. The flu virus changes, albeit not as much as HIV but it still does. We then look at what particular 'coats' are going to be most popular in the US each year, and make a vaccine accordingly. Colds and HIV change to fast for even somthing like this to be effective, sadly. Now, I can understand your point as to companies make lots of money by not looking for a cure for colds and the flu, and this is probably why not much research was done on finding a cure, but HIV is a whole other story. Since the worldwide epidemic of HIV has occured, tons more research has gone into studying viruses that change coats so fast, and some vaccines are being tried out, but so far every one that has been tried has failed so people continue to die. Sorry for the long post, just wanted to clear some things up that I thought were inaccurate... __________________ "Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever." - Napoleon Bonaparte

11-23-2003, 11:54 PM	#11 (permalink)
taliendo Insane Location: an indelible crawl through the gutters	SO, if STD's aren't a government ploy, does that mean that they were sent down by God to ensure the practice of abstinence of fornication (a common Christian objective?) just a question, not implying that I already have an informed answer. . . __________________ -LIFE IS ABSURD-

11-04-2003, 12:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
Devilchild Crazy	i disagree, there are so many freelance scientists that if it was easy to find a cure there would of been one found ages ago.

11-04-2003, 01:10 PM	#3 (permalink)
junglistic Insane	maybe not easy, but maybe the medical society feels they shouldnt put any money into researching it. You dont think they have a cure for the common cold? or influenza? or a simple headache? Your kidding yourself if you dont. Medicinal companies make their billions of dollars off those illnesses alone. Why would they give out a one shot fix, when they can keep them coming back.

11-04-2003, 02:54 PM	#4 (permalink)
Devilchild Crazy	can you show me why you think they have cures for headaches and the common cold?

11-07-2003, 06:30 AM	#8 (permalink)
Devilchild Crazy	Thankyou for that post, taught me i knew roughly it was somthing like that, but now i know exactly. thankyou for taking the time to write that out.

11-12-2003, 09:12 PM	#10 (permalink)
krispkrackalin Upright Location: Northern California	hahahahahhaha stds are real no joke, one fool around the way broke out in some weird ass shit, stds aint no ploy, but the govt did start aids, so they prolly started all the stds tryn to kill of minoriites, but then it leaked out into the white population so it had to then be known worldwide. ha ha ha ha stds a govt ploy

12-01-2003, 05:43 PM	#12 (permalink)
Looften Crazy	Humans are not the only creatures to have STD's, and they surely aren't a new thing. They are, after all, just viruses and bacteria that happen to be transmitted through sexual contact. How far do viruses and bacteria date back? Even good old HIV was originally carried in animals other than humans.