Metallica-St Anger--KAzaa Buster? - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Jadey · 06-04-2003, 10:10 PM

Okay. So, I bought St Anger tonite and ripped it to my harddrive. Then I gave it to my roommate to copy. Well, about 10 minutes later he came out and asked me if I had put this disk in my computer yet because as he was ripping to mp3 it disconnected Kazaa and he could not log back on. So then I went to my computer to log on to Kazaa and found I couldn't get on either. I uninstalled and then re-installed it, but that didn't work either. I had to do a system restore to get it back.

Anyone have this problem or hear of it?

suviko · 06-05-2003, 12:45 AM

http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/6/download_this.html

Atomic Pinkie · 06-05-2003, 08:48 AM

hehehe sucka

dankitti · 06-05-2003, 09:52 AM

The 'Napster Begone' track is so long and so horrible that no one in their right mind would take the time to download it.

it's 55 minutes. i HAVE downloaded longer tracks than that. my longest tracks so far are the Genesis Rainbow Concert in ONE mp3 file (about 72 minutes), the grateful dead in concert in 1969 in TWO mp3 files (one for each set, (set 1 is 43 minutes, set 2 is 69 minutes), and Pink Floyd The Final Cut in one mp3, about 43 minutes. so you think a 55 minute mp3 is too long to download. um, sure it is.

TheDave87 · 06-05-2003, 09:54 AM

blah... fuck metallica... greedy bastards... not that im bitter about their anti napster stand, ive just never liked them, and the napster thing made them out to be whiny greedy asses

oh and i have one 2 hour song, and a 2 1/2 hour song... live cuts from DJ Ciacomix

Magpie0001 · 06-05-2003, 12:03 PM

I am,
as I type this,
shitting my pants,
because Im soooo scared.

I D-load 700+ Mb movies, live concerts, games way bigger than that. Give me a fucking break. This is childsplay.
Its only a matter of time before someomne breaks it up into a few parts.
If you can listen to it, then It can be downloaded. Its as simple as that.

Listen, James, If I wanted it I'd have it. Give it up allready.

suviko · 06-05-2003, 01:02 PM

(Pssst... That 55min song site is a joke, if you didn't get it..

)

ReggErving · 06-05-2003, 01:22 PM

Funny.

Doc_34465 · 06-05-2003, 03:26 PM

Yeah.. Metallica are greedy bastards, sux to be you.. To bad you can't spend some money and buy the music you want to hear, you cheap loser.. What will really suck, is when artists won't be able to afford to record music at all, because music will have to be free, technology will rape it all. You'll be safe, still flippin' burgers.. Everyone will have to eat..

holtmate · 06-05-2003, 03:32 PM

Hehe...that's good comedy! I have to admit, I was one of the Napster users who got banned when I Disappear came out. That's pretty funny, though.

KillerYoda · 06-05-2003, 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by Doc_34465
Yeah.. Metallica are greedy bastards, sux to be you.. To bad you can't spend some money and buy the music you want to hear, you cheap loser.. What will really suck, is when artists won't be able to afford to record music at all, because music will have to be free, technology will rape it all. You'll be safe, still flippin' burgers.. Everyone will have to eat..

Ahh, the flame from the die-hard Metallica fan, I was waiting to see one of these.

Metallica really shit on their fans with the whole Napster thing, since they denied their roots entirely. They were made famous off of people bootlegging their stuff and getting the word out about the band. They're at the point in their career where people downloading mp3s isn't going to torpedo them financially. We've all seen MTV Cribs at least once to know they're aren't living in cardboard boxes.

As far as "Kazaa buster mp3s" I dunno. The only anti-piracy technology I've had to deal with so far was that XCP shit that confuses ripping software with dummy layers. I've only seen it on promo cds though, nothing I have purchased has stuff like that.

bleeckerx · 06-05-2003, 08:41 PM

i personally dont like metallica alot, but file sharing IS raping young artists who arent as rich as metallica. Those boys had enough money and power to take a stand. I dont think it cause they want more money, its because they realize that other bands are gonna be hurt very badly by file sharing.

as to their roots, that was a different time, when people BOUGHT albums ( yes u can BUY albums still ) they havent forgotten their roots. on the contrary the probably remember how hard it is to start a band and without a good income... as a struggling artist myself i can tell you- it BLOWS

yeah the net exposure is great, but when u cant afford to record another album or put a new engine in ur van when the thing shits out on you- that exposure looses its appeal real fast.

of course there are two sides to the whole issue, but if we are gonna hate on metallica lets do it because their new album blows , not because they are takin sides with the RIAA. eh eh?

Jadey · 06-05-2003, 09:23 PM

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Originally posted by Doc_34465
Yeah.. Metallica are greedy bastards, sux to be you.. To bad you can't spend some money and buy the music you want to hear, you cheap loser.. What will really suck, is when artists won't be able to afford to record music at all, because music will have to be free, technology will rape it all. You'll be safe, still flippin' burgers.. Everyone will have to eat..

Hey F &!$ You! I've BOUGHT just about everything that Metallica has put out, including a number of Imports. On Top of that I have over 700 legitimately bought CD's that I never would have bought if I had not been able to sample the music via Napster (or Kazaa) downloads. The way I see it the real losers (your word!) are the people who only have the chance to be exposed to new music from their local radio stations or MTV. And most of those bands aren't hurting for my $10! Probably 50% of the CD's I've bought would never be considered Popular Music and barely have a chance to even film a video let alone get regular airplay on MTV. Without Napster or Kazaa I would never have even heard of many of the bands I now have CD's for. The way I see it, if artists ever get to the point where they can't afford to record music it will be becuase of the gouging of the record labels that have created an environment where artists cannot even make money when they have a CD that does well commercially. Many of those acts do not make a penny until they go on tour. And I do not see the RIAA complaining over the fact that technological advancements have made it cheaper to record music and manufacture CD's all while the price to buy a Compact Disk has INCREASED over the past 12 years.

So, don't you dare step upon your soapbox and talk down to me about the BUSINESS of music! I support the artist where it counts most. I buy concert tickets, and when at the show I pay for the t-shirt, or the CD, or the hat; and that money has a much better chance of making it to the artists pocket than when you go Best Buy and plumk down $12 for the CD. Did you know that?! OR just keep on believing what you are being told! Downloading music does hurt the artists if you do not then go out and buy the music that you like, but it REALLY hurts the labels. That's why there is such a an objection to what is going on. If they labels were really interested in protecting the artists they wouldn't try to rape new artists with the small print in thier contracts that increase the percentage of royalties paid to the label as sales go up, or they would provide medical benefits to artists under contract, etc. It's the least they could do for the amount of money those artist make for them.

Jeff · 06-05-2003, 09:25 PM

I don't think there's a problem with all the illegal music trading on the 'net. Musicians don't have to be fucking millionairres. Maybe we can get back to people who are in it for the music and not the money.

Doc_34465 · 06-06-2003, 08:11 AM

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Originally posted by Jadey
Hey F &!$ You! I've BOUGHT just about everything that Metallica has put out, including a number of Imports. On Top of that I have over 700 legitimately bought CD's that I never would have bought if I had not been able to sample the music via Napster (or Kazaa) downloads. The way I see it the real losers (your word!) are the people who only have the chance to be exposed to new music from their local radio stations or MTV. And most of those bands aren't hurting for my $10! Probably 50% of the CD's I've bought would never be considered Popular Music and barely have a chance to even film a video let alone get regular airplay on MTV. Without Napster or Kazaa I would never have even heard of many of the bands I now have CD's for. The way I see it, if artists ever get to the point where they can't afford to record music it will be becuase of the gouging of the record labels that have created an environment where artists cannot even make money when they have a CD that does well commercially. Many of those acts do not make a penny until they go on tour. And I do not see the RIAA complaining over the fact that technological advancements have made it cheaper to record music and manufacture CD's all while the price to buy a Compact Disk has INCREASED over the past 12 years.

So, don't you dare step upon your soapbox and talk down to me about the BUSINESS of music! I support the artist where it counts most. I buy concert tickets, and when at the show I pay for the t-shirt, or the CD, or the hat; and that money has a much better chance of making it to the artists pocket than when you go Best Buy and plumk down $12 for the CD. Did you know that?! OR just keep on believing what you are being told! Downloading music does hurt the artists if you do not then go out and buy the music that you like, but it REALLY hurts the labels. That's why there is such a an objection to what is going on. If they labels were really interested in protecting the artists they wouldn't try to rape new artists with the small print in thier contracts that increase the percentage of royalties paid to the label as sales go up, or they would provide medical benefits to artists under contract, etc. It's the least they could do for the amount of money those artist make for them.

Hey Numb Nuts!? Did I make reference to anyone named Jadey? Don't think so.. Relax friend.. If you're buying the music, then my beef isn't with you. And let me clear the air for a moment, this isn't all about Metallica. My beef is towards the morons who have never gone out and bought a music library, who have never spent the money to support the artists they listen to. What right do we have to judge someone's cash flow. For me to judge some one rich, is no better than someone rich judging me for my lack of wealth.

What if you heard this (new band) on the radio, a local band, just now getting airplay. Their success depends on how many people listen to and buy their recording. If you just go and download it online, then they can't be successful. Metallica is just trying to set a standard.

But hey! I'm a bastard, and your just going to flame me anyway. Nothing new.

Derwood · 06-06-2003, 08:56 AM

I have to say that the argument that Metallica was "going against their roots of fan bootlegging" during the Napster thing is just horseshit. They were an unknown band, and the "bootlegging" basically meant that a few hundred people were trading tapes of the band. In 1981, there weren't millions of people downloading your albums for free.

Just for one moment, put yourself in Metallica's shoes. If you put 20 years of your life into making music and now face the fact that people are just taking it without paying for it, you'd be pissed too. The fact that bands make so little money off of CD's to begin with actually compounds the problem....they aren't even getting their measley 85cents per CD that they make.

Doc_34465 · 06-06-2003, 09:25 AM

Thank you Derwood.. My point exactly..

KillerYoda · 06-06-2003, 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by Derwood
Just for one moment, put yourself in Metallica's shoes. If you put 20 years of your life into making music and now face the fact that people are just taking it without paying for it, you'd be pissed too.

Yeah, I guess I'd go console myself watching my giant TV in my mansion.

juanvaldes · 06-06-2003, 01:43 PM

Cut it out. I don't want to have to go through and edit all your comments.

Ogre840 · 06-06-2003, 01:55 PM

arguing isn't going to make this problem better, or worse for that matter; so just STFU. I hate hearing about this piss and drivil day in and day out. Musicians get screwed yes. The label screws them, and people screw them over by d/ling mp3s. But the people getting mp3s from napster and the like are most likely the same people that would trade tapes if we were in the 80's, so either way, there still not going to be spending money on the artists. there are people that are willing to spend UNGODLY amounts on cds, and thats their perogitive.

The bands i like support the MP3 "revolution" by giving away new albums online, free singles online and the such so that their word gets spread. Thats the way it should be, not bitching because a few dozen college fat boys d/l your music to get drunk by.

Derwood · 06-06-2003, 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by Ogre840
arguing isn't going to make this problem better, or worse for that matter; so just STFU. I hate hearing about this piss and drivil day in and day out. Musicians get screwed yes. The label screws them, and people screw them over by d/ling mp3s. But the people getting mp3s from napster and the like are most likely the same people that would trade tapes if we were in the 80's, so either way, there still not going to be spending money on the artists. there are people that are willing to spend UNGODLY amounts on cds, and thats their perogitive.

The bands i like support the MP3 "revolution" by giving away new albums online, free singles online and the such so that their word gets spread. Thats the way it should be, not bitching because a few dozen college fat boys d/l your music to get drunk by.

Again, the bootlegging argument is horseshit. Fans were trading tapes of Metallica because THEY HAD NO ALBUMS OUT YET. The only way to get the music was by trading tapes of live shows. Well guess what, you can get Metallica albums just about anywhere you look these days, so there is NO excuse for not buying the albums except for either unbelievable cheapness on your part, or a complete and utter disregard for musicians who want to make a living.

As for Metallica weeping over their TV in their mansion (or whatever the hell that poster said), I guarantee that most of the money Metallica has made has been by tireless touring. You think a band like the Beatles would be millionaires today? They didn't tour for most of their career. If they wanted to just do studio albums, they wouldn't make shit, as peopel would just be stealing their music instead of paying for it.

Jadey · 06-06-2003, 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by Derwood
Again, the bootlegging argument is horseshit. Fans were trading tapes of Metallica because THEY HAD NO ALBUMS OUT YET. The only way to get the music was by trading tapes of live shows. Well guess what, you can get Metallica albums just about anywhere you look these days, so there is NO excuse for not buying the albums except for either unbelievable cheapness on your part, or a complete and utter disregard for musicians who want to make a living.

As for Metallica weeping over their TV in their mansion (or whatever the hell that poster said), I guarantee that most of the money Metallica has made has been by tireless touring. You think a band like the Beatles would be millionaires today? They didn't tour for most of their career. If they wanted to just do studio albums, they wouldn't make shit, as peopel would just be stealing their music instead of paying for it.

I agree with you. "Back in the day" the band used to promote the bootlegging and trading of their music to "spread the word", so to speak. They were relatively unknown then and I have never held it the bands stance on this music downloading issue against them. I still, and will always consider them one of my favorite bands. Regardless of who it is I can seperate the their politics and other belief from what they produce musically.

Doc_34665, what pissed me off is that your post seemed directed at me since I started this thread. But after reading your return comments we seem to be on about the same page. Not exactly, but close. It does make me mad when people do not support the bands they like. But, I also realize that in reality it's a business and people, in general, are greedy and/or cheap. Artists too often are forced to release material that they consider substandard because the they are under label deadlines or they are under contract to release X-number of albums over a period of time. Now, I have a wide range of tastes, but I also don't want ot spend my money on "crap". Alot of artists do release a single on their web sites before an album is released or you can get them at their labels site or you can sit at a listening station at the music store , but, again, I don't want to spend my money on something I'm not goign to like so I want to take a listen first. I've had people look at my collection and assume that I buy just about anything, but I don't. It has to be good, and if I'm not already familiar with the artists, I want to sample what I'm buying first.

Doc_34465 · 06-06-2003, 09:03 PM

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Originally posted by Jadey
Doc_34665, what pissed me off is that your post seemed directed at me since I started this thread. But after reading your return comments we seem to be on about the same page. Not exactly, but close. It does make me mad when people do not support the bands they like. But, I also realize that in reality it's a business and people, in general, are greedy and/or cheap. Artists too often are forced to release material that they consider substandard because the they are under label deadlines or they are under contract to release X-number of albums over a period of time. Now, I have a wide range of tastes, but I also don't want ot spend my money on "crap". Alot of artists do release a single on their web sites before an album is released or you can get them at their labels site or you can sit at a listening station at the music store , but, again, I don't want to spend my money on something I'm not goign to like so I want to take a listen first. I've had people look at my collection and assume that I buy just about anything, but I don't. It has to be good, and if I'm not already familiar with the artists, I want to sample what I'm buying first.

Agreed.. And my appologies for not being clearer.. We're cool.. Now.. If you look into my PC you WILL find Kazaa and WINmx.. And I will do just that, sample music to see if I want to add it to my collection. The music that is on my hard drive is; 1) Already purchased. 2) Probably going to be purchased, or deleted very soon. Or 3) Something off the wall that probably can't be purchased anywhere. And yes.. I was one of those who got nailed during the Napster deal.. It made me mad because I have bought all the material, 3 or 4 times over. I downloaded for the purpose of the computer. Some games play MP3 formats during game play, and Metallica is great for Quake or UT. I also found some great bootlegs and studio demos that I couldn't find anywhere else.. My point is, I've never used my P2Ps for evil, and I always suport my favorite musicions by buying their music.

Jadey · 06-06-2003, 10:17 PM

Cool.

On a side note, kind of, the new Metallica comes with a code to access the Metallica Vault when you put the CD in your drive and it gives you access to 3 live shows that are fabulous. I've downloaded all 3 (Birmingham, UK in 1996/Cleveland 1998/ and Middleton, NY in 1994) and they are great. So even though I'm not totally sold on the new album (Metallica is one band that I'll buy without "sampling") these shows were well worth the purchase!

06-04-2003, 10:10 PM	#1 (permalink)
Jadey This Space For Rent Location: Davenport, Iowa	Metallica-St Anger--KAzaa Buster? Okay. So, I bought St Anger tonite and ripped it to my harddrive. Then I gave it to my roommate to copy. Well, about 10 minutes later he came out and asked me if I had put this disk in my computer yet because as he was ripping to mp3 it disconnected Kazaa and he could not log back on. So then I went to my computer to log on to Kazaa and found I couldn't get on either. I uninstalled and then re-installed it, but that didn't work either. I had to do a system restore to get it back. Anyone have this problem or hear of it?

06-05-2003, 08:48 AM	#3 (permalink)
Atomic Pinkie Addict Location: Chicago	hehehe sucka __________________ Where dem bitches at?

06-05-2003, 09:52 AM	#4 (permalink)
dankitti Crazy	The 'Napster Begone' track is so long and so horrible that no one in their right mind would take the time to download it. it's 55 minutes. i HAVE downloaded longer tracks than that. my longest tracks so far are the Genesis Rainbow Concert in ONE mp3 file (about 72 minutes), the grateful dead in concert in 1969 in TWO mp3 files (one for each set, (set 1 is 43 minutes, set 2 is 69 minutes), and Pink Floyd The Final Cut in one mp3, about 43 minutes. so you think a 55 minute mp3 is too long to download. um, sure it is. __________________ Aw' little girl, there ain't no time To wash yer stinky hand Go 'head 'n' roll over I'm goin' in you again In you again In you again In you again... --Frank appa I Have Been In Yo

06-05-2003, 09:54 AM	#5 (permalink)
TheDave87 Psycho Location: The Amish Wastelands of Ohio	blah... fuck metallica... greedy bastards... not that im bitter about their anti napster stand, ive just never liked them, and the napster thing made them out to be whiny greedy asses oh and i have one 2 hour song, and a 2 1/2 hour song... live cuts from DJ Ciacomix __________________ Honk if you've never seen an uzi fired from a car window!

06-05-2003, 12:03 PM	#6 (permalink)
Magpie0001 Nobody Loves Me Location: Irish In Madrid	I am, as I type this, shitting my pants, because Im soooo scared. I D-load 700+ Mb movies, live concerts, games way bigger than that. Give me a fucking break. This is childsplay. Its only a matter of time before someomne breaks it up into a few parts. If you can listen to it, then It can be downloaded. Its as simple as that. Listen, James, If I wanted it I'd have it. Give it up allready. __________________ Music is my first love & It will be my last.

06-05-2003, 12:45 AM	#2 (permalink)
suviko Banned	http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/6/download_this.html

06-05-2003, 01:02 PM	#7 (permalink)
suviko Banned	(Pssst... That 55min song site is a joke, if you didn't get it.. )

06-05-2003, 01:22 PM	#8 (permalink)
ReggErving Addict	Funny. __________________ ...sitting on your bed with a samauri pose.

06-05-2003, 03:26 PM	#9 (permalink)
Doc_34465 Psycho Location: Inverness, Fl.	Yeah.. Metallica are greedy bastards, sux to be you.. To bad you can't spend some money and buy the music you want to hear, you cheap loser.. What will really suck, is when artists won't be able to afford to record music at all, because music will have to be free, technology will rape it all. You'll be safe, still flippin' burgers.. Everyone will have to eat.. __________________ "Badgers?!? We don't need no stinking Badgers!!" "Now.. The mushrooms? Yeah, I'll have some more!" Does he have a name? Can I name him Dancey Mcgee? Spinach_Indeed

06-05-2003, 03:32 PM	#10 (permalink)
holtmate Flailing White Boy Location: Cincinnati	Hehe...that's good comedy! I have to admit, I was one of the Napster users who got banned when I Disappear came out. That's pretty funny, though. __________________ "Give her your coat" "Why me?" "Because you're perfect." "You have a point there."

06-05-2003, 08:41 PM	#12 (permalink)
bleeckerx Upright	i personally dont like metallica alot, but file sharing IS raping young artists who arent as rich as metallica. Those boys had enough money and power to take a stand. I dont think it cause they want more money, its because they realize that other bands are gonna be hurt very badly by file sharing. as to their roots, that was a different time, when people BOUGHT albums ( yes u can BUY albums still ) they havent forgotten their roots. on the contrary the probably remember how hard it is to start a band and without a good income... as a struggling artist myself i can tell you- it BLOWS yeah the net exposure is great, but when u cant afford to record another album or put a new engine in ur van when the thing shits out on you- that exposure looses its appeal real fast. of course there are two sides to the whole issue, but if we are gonna hate on metallica lets do it because their new album blows , not because they are takin sides with the RIAA. eh eh? __________________ no heros here Last edited by bleeckerx; 06-05-2003 at 08:49 PM..

06-05-2003, 09:25 PM	#14 (permalink)
Jeff And we'll all float on ok... Location: Iowa City	I don't think there's a problem with all the illegal music trading on the 'net. Musicians don't have to be fucking millionairres. Maybe we can get back to people who are in it for the music and not the money. __________________ For those who believe in God, most of the big questions are answered. But for those of us who can't readily accept the God formula, the big answers don't remain stone-written. We adjust to new conditions and discoveries. We are pliable. Love need not be a command or faith a dictum. I am my own God. We are here to unlearn the teachings of the church, state, and our educational system. We are here to drink beer. We are here to kill war. We are here to laugh at the odds and live our lives so well that Death will tremble to take us. --Charles Bukowski

06-06-2003, 08:56 AM	#16 (permalink)
Derwood Who You Crappin? Location: Everywhere and Nowhere	I have to say that the argument that Metallica was "going against their roots of fan bootlegging" during the Napster thing is just horseshit. They were an unknown band, and the "bootlegging" basically meant that a few hundred people were trading tapes of the band. In 1981, there weren't millions of people downloading your albums for free. Just for one moment, put yourself in Metallica's shoes. If you put 20 years of your life into making music and now face the fact that people are just taking it without paying for it, you'd be pissed too. The fact that bands make so little money off of CD's to begin with actually compounds the problem....they aren't even getting their measley 85cents per CD that they make. __________________ "You can't shoot a country until it becomes a democracy." - Willravel

06-06-2003, 09:25 AM	#17 (permalink)
Doc_34465 Psycho Location: Inverness, Fl.	Thank you Derwood.. My point exactly.. __________________ "Badgers?!? We don't need no stinking Badgers!!" "Now.. The mushrooms? Yeah, I'll have some more!" Does he have a name? Can I name him Dancey Mcgee? Spinach_Indeed

06-06-2003, 01:43 PM	#19 (permalink)
juanvaldes Banned Location: shittown, CA	Cut it out. I don't want to have to go through and edit all your comments.

06-06-2003, 01:55 PM	#20 (permalink)
Ogre840 Banned Location: OlyWa	arguing isn't going to make this problem better, or worse for that matter; so just STFU. I hate hearing about this piss and drivil day in and day out. Musicians get screwed yes. The label screws them, and people screw them over by d/ling mp3s. But the people getting mp3s from napster and the like are most likely the same people that would trade tapes if we were in the 80's, so either way, there still not going to be spending money on the artists. there are people that are willing to spend UNGODLY amounts on cds, and thats their perogitive. The bands i like support the MP3 "revolution" by giving away new albums online, free singles online and the such so that their word gets spread. Thats the way it should be, not bitching because a few dozen college fat boys d/l your music to get drunk by.

06-06-2003, 10:17 PM	#24 (permalink)
Jadey This Space For Rent Location: Davenport, Iowa	Cool. On a side note, kind of, the new Metallica comes with a code to access the Metallica Vault when you put the CD in your drive and it gives you access to 3 live shows that are fabulous. I've downloaded all 3 (Birmingham, UK in 1996/Cleveland 1998/ and Middleton, NY in 1994) and they are great. So even though I'm not totally sold on the new album (Metallica is one band that I'll buy without "sampling") these shows were well worth the purchase!