matteo101

You guys wanna see a sleeper, THIS IS A SLEEPER.


It looks like a regular 4 door golf.


Pop the hood, and BAM.


Northstar 32 valve, all aluminum V8,300+ hp.

Link to the site.http://www.cwstuning.com/gallery/coupe-degolf?page=1
The owner of CWS tuning, and the creator of this and many other masterpieces Cam Waugh, was recently involved in a series accident. Please if anyone could spare a prayer, that would be awesome. Thanks.

MSD

He trashed his crop of pot plants when the DEA came knocking at his door, so he never got the money to do it.

PDOUBLEOP

If you try to race someone with a car that looks like a POS, they'll know you've got a sleeper. What do you think about a Syclone with a Busch series aluminum V-6. With proper accessories, it'll run low 10's w/out nitrous.

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Cycler

Yeah or the Pymoth Volarie. That would be cool.

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WarWagon

I just e-mailed the guys at Dream Car Garage about a car featured briefly in one of their segments. A Plymouth Reliant that had been converted to RWD with a 440 in it...

lt1s10

A couple that I've seen that have impressed me are the people with the turbo dodge caravans and the k-cars. Many of them are running in the 12s.

Also seen a few late 70s volkswagen buses running the porsche 3.0s. Those are about as unaerodynamic as it gets. And they haul with the 3.0 in them. It's also not a real difficult swap.

WarWagon

Just so you guys know, Tom Hnatiw from DCG sent me back an e-mail. The Plymouth Reliant with the fuel injected 440 does exist, and belongs to Jason Roberts, who is shop manager for Legendary Motorcar.

neddy65

a buddy dropped a 350 chevy engine in a b2000. This truck was a serious sleeper cause the guy left it all primer spotted and had good tires on stock wheels. Had to talk him out of the stacks for his exhaust though cause that was going too far.

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WarWagon

Hell no, stacks and flappers are the way to go.

Crunchy Nipple

I read a while back about a guy who took 80's vw bug, pulled the body and the engine out, cut the rear last hal of the frame off and welded on the front end (chasis and engine only) of a '72 cadiliac eldorado. He worked a scoop to go down through the floor to feed the air intake and cool the radiatior. Built a box around the engine, which took up all of the back seat, covered it with carpet. Now think of it You have a Bug that looks stock except for the funny looking speaker box in the back, but when you floor it you have all of the might of a 367 GHP 8.1 liter engine behind you. That is one hell of a power to weight raito. I thought it was nifty.

WarWagon

One of the boys from CJ's over in Jersey. BBC beetle : )

matteo101

Damnn man, thats nuts

etla

That's with the uh "factory" turbo 4. Dodge made a stage III kit that gave you better than 270hp.

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etla

That'd be a tight squeeze. A 440 is pretty tall.

Have to get a look at that episode I just happen to have a dodge big block and a 85 new yorker sitting around.

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Nimisys

best sleeper i have ever seen was a Geo Metro Hatchback. white faded paint, 13" pizza wheels, the whole POS car thing. However under the hood was a 13B TII engine out of a 88 AE Rx-7. kinda of scary to see a metro pass you at 120mph.

taylorspl

I like my friends turbo G20. 13 second 4 door.

Scorps

G20 like full size chevy van??

primal

I think he means Infiniti G20. 4-door 4 cylinder compact car

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irseg

My Lincoln Mark VIII has excellent sleeper qualities. It looks like your typical car that grandma would drive to church, and alas it's typically used that way. But has a 280hp V8 that's basically the same engine that went on to be used in the Mustang Cobra. Runs very low 15's in the 1/4 mile. Not insanely fast, but enough to surprise the hell out of a lot of people.

My slightly modified '88 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe is a good sleeper too. I pissed off my boss when I outran his brand new Navigator with my old POS 4-banger. He just drove by with his middle finger in the air and never brought it up again.

matteo101, I emailed those pictures to a couple friends of mine. One loves Cadillacs, the other is a VW fanatic. They both got a kick out of it. Is there any info available with the details of the swap? The pics are cool but I'd like to read about what was involved.

Scorps

ok ya that sounds a little more like it!

spano24

I actually just finished my sleeper project. I got excited whe i saw this topic.


I started off with a 91' 240 volvo. It had 200,000 on the motor and was about beat. Picked it up for $150 and no rust on the car (unheard of for upstate NY)

So i buy a little kit from converse engineering. Its all the necessary bits for a mustang 5.0 swap. I bought a 87 5.0 HO donor car. I took the engine down to the block and rebuilt it with new cylinders, rings, lifters, valves, had the intake/exhaust ported, got a new head and Bought a vortech supercharger for it.

Tossed it into the 240, got a custom drive shaft and use a 8'' ford rear end.

I run 6 lbs of boost and run about a 11.4 at the 1/4

Its a head turner, I get kicks out of spanking up on kids in their little 4 bangers and even taking out other american muscle. The looks on peoples faces are priceless.

WarWagon

Mind if I ask how you got that 8.8 rear in there? More or less in terms of how your control arms are setup up.

Scorps

WOW? you got pics of that...love to see!

matteo101

I don't know too much about the swap. I read that it took three weaks only working nights and weekends. It is really impressive. Cam (the creator) is actually getting alot better from what I have read, he is out of his coma, and is talking and remembering alot of things. We he has recovered I can get the scoop from him.

Zipperhead

There was a POS Dodge Omni (turbo) here in town that pulled the pants off an '03 Viper at our local track last year. Funniest thing I've ever seen. And street legal. It was one of the ugly Omnis that looked kind of like an old VW rabbit.

Scorps

never seen or heard of an omni before...what year where they?

etla

Turbo omnis were available from 84-87. Some '87s featured a hybrid stage I/II kit that produced 187hp. Not bad in a car with a 2300 lb curb weight.

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etla

I'm trying to imagine "bigger". F-450?

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choskins

The original factory (and still ultimate) sleeper car was the 1986 Dodge Omni GLH and its Shelby GLHS counterpart.



Edit:
Sorry to those posts immediately above me. I didn't read before I posted. Obviously, I agree with you about the Omni.

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ibis

I've been dreamin' about puting a 327 or even 383 in my s10 for a long, long time...

Scorps

what year is your S10...because if you phone the ring parts shop you can get big block or small block chevy bolt in brakets.....I was going to buy a 1999-2003 S10 and drop my rebuilt 350 in it but work cut my hours and now I got no money

sebringmx

There were no 97 cutlass supreme 4 doors that used the "crappy 3100" V6 engine, no 4t60-e transaxle as all 97 cutlass were still rear wheel drive. None came with rear disk brakes and although it is possible to convert to disk brakes that is not going to make the 87 sedan a front driver. If you started with a 90 model you could do these mods and be on your way. I have an 88 base supreme 2 door that I sold new in 88 and bought back from the owner and it is about as base as the got that year. It came stock with a 2.8, auto overdrive, "am" radio, crank windows, pie plate wheel covers on 14" wheels, column shift, P-steering, P-brakes and no air conditioner, etc. Now this is going to be a sleeper with a built-up L67, 4t65e-hd, quick ratio steering, later 11.25" front rotors, replacement rear disks and calipers, upgrade pads and struts, HD radiator, headers and exhaust from borla with intake from K and N cone infront of the rad, 16" stock "International" wheels and tires. In that way it will appear "stock" until the performance is shown by the sound of the pipes as it accelerates away from the unsuspecting "victim". In 1988 I was selling these cars and the car in question was one of the first ones that we got in at the dealership that 1st year of the new front-drivers. In my case the on the road cost shoud not exceed $4500. Hope this bit of info helps you in your quest to build a "sleeper cutlass supreme". By the way my car has only 7500 miles on it and is mostly still original-as-delivered.

ElwoodBlues

uhmmmm...He said 97 cutlass supreme. not 87. the 97 cutlass supreme is front wheel drive, and has the 3.1 V6

Long story short, you typed alot for nothing, sebring

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DEI37

Well, it's two years later, the engine is in the garage still, but kinda cleaned up, and maintanence stuff is done. I'm not going to undertake the swap myself, but rather have it done, as I just don't have the tools or time necessary to do it. It's getting done in May, and he's gonna take pics for me. I'll post some up as things progress. Not going to modify the engine much this time around. Going to install a 3.5" pulley on the blower, and call it good.

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GREATEST...SLEEPER...EVAR!

http://www.turbovan.net/van.html

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Lockjaw

1990 Crown Vic LX can probably find one of these for like a grand easily.
Yank the stock 302 drop an EFI 351 Windsor in the sucker that's been stroked out to 419 cubes toss in a forged crank,connecting rods,forged dished low compression pistons.
Trickflow heads with a nice port and polish. Trickflow intake.
Yank the stock rear end bolt up an 8.8 inch rear with 31 spline Moser axles.
3:55 gears. Performance C6 tranny 2500 RPM stall convertor. Then turbo the sucker put down like 650 horsepower on daily driven boost. Redo the interior with new carpet, new head liner. New trim pieces. Toss in some new speakers a modern head unit. Lower it a bit get some old school steelies and some big tires paint the whole shooting match flat black.
Nobody would expect that old black Crown Vic that is bumping music so loudly would have enough power under the hood to burn all but the top contenders. That is until the tunes got turned down the cut outs got opened up and rattled their windows something horrible that is.

The more I think about the idea the more I want to try it. That would be SO much fun. You don't see too many people hooking up old late 80s early 90s Vics. I see people doing that same combo to Mustangs, Cougars,Thunderbirds hell even old trucks. But nobody every suspects that old Crown Vic.

saltfish

www.shoshop.com

All of the aftermarket that you'd need for your v6/v8 SHO.

Both the V6 and the V8 were Yamaha, though I've never figured out why the V8 blew as much as it did.

pocon1

I have been taking an intro mechanics class at the local community college. One of the mechanics there has a mid-eighties cutlass supreme with an LT-1 engine and I believe an early nineties trans am rear end. It does have a torsen differential, which he showed us when it was on the lift. I think (don't quote me) he said that with the 2.7 rear end gears it ran around low 14's.

BadNick

A youngish guy, mid20's, who works the local speed shop has one of those older turbo Omni's. He's done other mods on it like suspension to hook up, fuel etc to make sure it doesn't blow up, plus larger turbo. I've seen his low 10 second time slips. The car still looks like a mundane Omni except he recently put nice wheels on it ...sticky rubber is required.

As a sleeper, I was also remembering that car that took part in the SCC Ultimate Street Car Challenge a year or two ago; it was a Hyundai 4 door sedan with an engine on both ends of the car, each engine driving the respective F/R wheels, moded to run on pure methanol; the guy only street races for money (my public safety comment delayed) and the thing is insanely fast, at least in the first 1/2 mile.

Willravel

Did it on a bet like 4 or 5 years back in highschool. The Pontiac engine only fits with a complete rebuild. New frame, pushback the firewall, replace basically everything. The only thing that was SHO was the interrior, upper frame, some of the body, and the stupid driver.

1990 Ford Taurus SHO
Stock engine: Yamaha 3.0L V6 DOHC 24V FI Engine
Stock HP: 220
Problems: bad tranny, cooling system failing, other undiagnosed engine problems

bet: My buddy with a Mustang GT said that no matter what I did to my car, he could beat me. I had money and I was young.

I started by contacting several good mechanics locally who were into building unorthodox cars. One of them agreed to let me assist him, for a price. He had a 1968 Firebird 400" engine with part of the frame. We rediesigned the SHO's frame to match it with the stronger, heavier Potiac frame. Had a hell of a time with the bumper. We decided to counterbalance the heavy engine with a beefier exhauset, roghtly 3" straight pipes coming from stainless 4-1 headers. The steering and suspension had to also be adjusted for the weight. I'll let you know if I find pictures.

Just kidding of course. Who would put a V8 in a taurus?