Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community  

Go Back   Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community > Interests > Tilted Motors


 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 12-02-2004, 03:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
Crazy
 
Ramega's Avatar
 
OK this is WEIRD

I have never heard of anything like this.

http://autos.msn.com/advice/article....22806&src=News

Quote:
Stand By for Take-Off . . .
Still, the marketers insist that's what the customer wants, choice, and the engineers have delivered—and then they've added that ultimate option, launch control, which goes like this: Select full, 507-horsepower grunt via the one-touch "M Drive" button on the wheel (which also optimizes the damper and stability settings and turns the effective and clear head-up instrument display into a rev-counter and gearshift indicator. Now disable the Dynamic Stability Control, select the most aggressive of the "S" shift programs, hold the gearshift lever forward and floor the throttle.

The engine builds to optimum launch revs and stays there until you let go of the lever. Then the car catapults forwards with a chirp of tires and a mighty howl of power while you keep the pedal buried in the luxurious carpet. When the revs peak, it slams into the next gear and rides out the wheelspin, and then the same again, and again, and again—with barely describable violence—until it hits the M5's voluntarily restricted 250 kph (155 mph) maximum, or in our case, an indicated 272 kph (170 mph), which the engineers put down to "tolerances."

This is a very impressive feature but also worryingly brutal, and you wonder what it's for, since it's also thoroughly anti-social. Besides, if you do it more than twice in succession you have to give the car time to recover and re-program the whole thing all over again.
According to my friend who is big in to bimmers, the European M3 has this "feature" as well. And if you do it more than 20 times over the life of the car, you void the warranty on your engine and tranny.

Talk about over-engineered.
Ramega is offline  
Old 12-02-2004, 03:53 PM   #2 (permalink)
Psycho
 
Location: france
Ferrari do something very similar. As far as I'm concerned if you can't get your 500bhp supercar off the line on your own you should hand me the keys
castex is offline  
Old 12-02-2004, 04:03 PM   #3 (permalink)
Psycho
 
1slOwCD8's Avatar
 
Location: chicago, illinois
Can someone explain it to me, cuz i dont really get what the article is about. Im reading the second paragraph and it doesnt seem special to me. if im reading it correctly, it just seems like the lever is just like the parking brake, then you rev, rev, let go of the lever, and once the revs peak shift gears. thats all i get from it. Oh yea, that M5 is siick!
1slOwCD8 is offline  
Old 12-02-2004, 06:01 PM   #4 (permalink)
Insane
 
Location: st. louis
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1slOwCD8
Can someone explain it to me, cuz i dont really get what the article is about. Im reading the second paragraph and it doesnt seem special to me. if im reading it correctly, it just seems like the lever is just like the parking brake, then you rev, rev, let go of the lever, and once the revs peak shift gears. thats all i get from it. Oh yea, that M5 is siick!

the launch control is there to make sure that shifts are perfectly timed to the speed at which the engine revs. basically its going to take the engine as close as mechanicly possible to redline to get the best time out if your car

also it holds revs at a a very good starting point for limited wheelspin and an efficient go, heeluv a lot of fun in the m3 but it is an extremely limited form of launch control because it holds the revs at 1800 and not the much better level which was used in europe which slips me at the moment
__________________
"The difference between commiment and involvment is like a ham and egg breakfast the chicken was involved but the pig was commited"

"Thrice happy is the nation that has a glorious history. Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat." Theodore Roosevelt
fuzyfuzer is offline  
Old 12-02-2004, 07:10 PM   #5 (permalink)
Psycho
 
1slOwCD8's Avatar
 
Location: chicago, illinois
So basically, its everything you would do with a tach and a shift light, only they do it for you? If so, whats the fun in that.
1slOwCD8 is offline  
Old 12-02-2004, 07:20 PM   #6 (permalink)
Addict
 
Location: Amish-land, PA
Yea, I don't think that I'm following this. What's so special? It's just shifting at redline - or, actually, the most opportune shift point to keep the most power. So...why is this impressive? Any decent driver can do this with any car with a manual or SMG...
__________________
"I've made only one mistake in my life. But I made it over and over and over. That was saying 'yes' when I meant 'no'. Forgive me."
TM875 is offline  
Old 12-02-2004, 07:26 PM   #7 (permalink)
Junkie
 
powerclown's Avatar
 
Location: Detroit, MI
Seems like this is BMW's way of guaranteeing that, after paying $130,000 for their car, you'll never suffer the embarassment of getting beat by a Mustang GT or Subaru WRX in a stoplight drag race.

500 horsepower V10 in a sedan...wow.
powerclown is offline  
Old 12-02-2004, 10:33 PM   #8 (permalink)
Psycho
 
Location: PA
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1slOwCD8
So basically, its everything you would do with a tach and a shift light, only they do it for you? If so, whats the fun in that.
No. The important part is the launch. It makes sure that the car leaves the line optimally. The driver just has to floor it, and the electronics makes sure you don't spin the tires too much or lug the engine. I think it also changes the damper settings to be better for straight-line traction.
stingc is offline  
Old 12-03-2004, 10:06 AM   #9 (permalink)
Banned
 
Don't a lot of pro dragsters use the same technology to launch, where the engine is computer-held to a certain rpm until takeoff? What's the fun in that?
pocon1 is offline  
Old 12-03-2004, 11:05 AM   #10 (permalink)
Lost!!
 
Scorps's Avatar
 
Location: Kingston, Ontario
LOL I could have used one of them when I took the new GTO and Mustang for a test drive.....LMAO
Scorps is offline  
Old 12-03-2004, 11:20 AM   #11 (permalink)
Insane
 
Location: Leeds, UK
Alot of people get off on going fast with ease. Exactly what launch control helps you achieve. It might not appeal to real car fanatics, but more towards rich folk who take up the 'hobby' of purchasing and driving a new M5 or E46 M3 SMG II around for a couple of weeks before they switch to something else that's expensive and easy to gain fun from. Maybe?
__________________
Why's Snoop Dog carry an umbrella?

Fo' Drizzle
bollocks is offline  
Old 12-03-2004, 12:27 PM   #12 (permalink)
Tilted Cat Head
 
Cynthetiq's Avatar
 
Administrator
Location: Manhattan, NY
this has been put in for several builds now...

it's like an easter egg but in your car.
__________________
I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not.
Cynthetiq is offline  
Old 12-03-2004, 01:28 PM   #13 (permalink)
Crazy
 
Location: Philly
Quote:
Originally Posted by pocon1
Don't a lot of pro dragsters use the same technology to launch, where the engine is computer-held to a certain rpm until takeoff? What's the fun in that?

meh, kinda of, more F1'ish actually. The thing is, BMW started getting rid of throttle plates in some of their newer cars. Their VANOS system is the most extreme of the variable valve timing technology. Not only does it control cam phasing but also lift, and in turn throttles the engine this way. Some really cool shit. Helps in aiding launch control in the end

As far as launch control goes, its there so you can rev the engine and dump the clutch WITHOUT spinning the tires, for a perfect launch. In F1 this is accomplished by comparing the front and rear wheel speeds. If the back is spinning a lot faster than the front the ignition is cut and the engine speed drops. When the wheel speed sensors indicate that traction has been restored, the ignition cuts back in. If you watch an F1 car come through a corner in first gear and hammer the throttle on exit, it sounds like the engine is misfiring bad, since its controling the wheel spin. It makes the car faster since it allows the driver to keep his foot planted into the gas and just keep upshifitng.

With the VANOS engines, its easier to just adjust the "throttle" for you and optimize the shifts automatically. Here's a basic diagram from and aftermarket companies systems works. This one cuts fuel.


I love racelogic.

Where's the fun in it? Meh, it's more about being consitent and fast.
JusticeForPhat is offline  
Old 12-03-2004, 02:26 PM   #14 (permalink)
zomgomgomgomgomgomg
 
telekinetic's Avatar
 
Location: Fauxenix, Azerona
A lot of bracket racers use a quick-and-dirty version of this: a 2-step rev limiter. You can floor it, and it will hover up at your predetermined 'launch' RPM, bouncing off it like it would a rev-limiter, until you drop the clutch, then it lets you rev up to your normal RPM. In the right hands, er, feet, it makes for very consistent launches, and therefore quarter mile times.
__________________
twisted no more
telekinetic is offline  
Old 12-08-2004, 12:05 AM   #15 (permalink)
Insane
 
twilightfoix's Avatar
 
Location: in the clouds ;)
that sounds like the most pointless feature ever. if anyone was going to try something like that then they should know how to do it them-damn-selves or shouldn't be trying it at all.
twilightfoix is offline  
Old 12-08-2004, 08:21 AM   #16 (permalink)
Psycho
 
Location: the hills of aquafina.
Quote:
Originally Posted by powerclown
500 horsepower V10 in a sedan...wow.
Actually, this is trickle down technology from Formula1. 500hp from a 5 liter v10 is neato for a street car......

.....but.....

the BMW v10 that Williams uses in their race cars makes cranks out about 950+bhp....at 19,000rpm. And it's only a 3 liter.
__________________
"The problem with quick and dirty, as some people have said, is that the dirty remains long after the quick has been forgotten" - Steve McConnell
cartmen34 is offline  
 

Tags
weird

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 12:42 AM.

Tilted Forum Project

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
© 2002-2012 Tilted Forum Project

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360