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Old 11-26-2003, 03:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Jeep to make Hummer knockoff?

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Old 11-26-2003, 05:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 11-26-2003, 05:41 PM   #3 (permalink)
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hi, maybe you can post the text of the article, and maybe some pictures instead of sending us to a link that asks that we install shit on our computer... thanks
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Old 11-26-2003, 09:46 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Jeep will show its answer to the Hummer H2 at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit.

The Jeep Rescue is one of three new concept vehicles, cars that may or may not make production, which DaimlerChrysler's (nyse: DCX - news - people ) American brands will display at the Detroit show in January.

Although similarities between the Rescue and the H2 scream out in profile, Jeep is disguising its concept as an emergency services vehicle designed to drive through the most demanding conditions.

Chrysler officials are not commenting on the Rescue's production plans, but there's no reason not to build the vehicle as an SUV for civilians, considering how the H2's profitability is equaled or rivaled only by the Cadillac Escalade and Escalade ESV among General Motors' (nyse: GM - news - people ) vehicles. Perhaps Chrysler is trying to keep a low profile after last year, when it dropped a lawsuit that claimed the H2's grille infringed on the classic seven-slotted Jeep grille. The company also knows GM is in an advantageous position to make profits on the H2; GM farms out its production to AM General, the original Hummer manufacturer, thus dodging its own enormous factory and labor costs.


Why shouldn't Jeep want a cash cow like the Hummer H2 (shown here)?

The Rescue's dimensions are very similar to those of the H2: It is 80 inches wide, only 1.2 inches narrower than the H2, and its 123-inch wheelbase (the distance from the center of the front wheel to the center of the rear) is only two-tenths of an inch longer than the H2's.

Like the H2, which shares mechanical architecture with the Chevrolet Suburban SUV and, fundamentally, the Chevrolet Silverado pickup, the Rescue concept rides on a truck platform--that of the Dodge Ram. This truck basis gives the Rescue off-roading credentials, and the vehicle comes with a folding windshield and removable doors and roof.

The heart of this "ultimate search and rescue vehicle" is a 305-horsepower Cummins diesel--not as impressive as the 316-horsepower V-8 that the H2 shares with the Suburban and Escalade. However, the Rescue's engine shames the H2's on torque, the turning force that determines a vehicle's towing capabilities: 555 foot-pounds versus 360 foot-pounds in the H2. The Rescue also has remote-control winches for towing, along with 3D topographical mapping software and a navigation system.

Other goodies include a VHF radio, digital video recorder, satellite transmission capability and a satellite phone. And get this: The Rescue has cameras under the chassis that display what the axles are about to run into--useful for off-roading in a tall vehicle like this. Ground clearance is variable in the Rescue, as the vehicle comes with a custom-built suspension whose ride height is adjustable. Are the H2's 17-inch wheels impressive? No. Rescue comes with titanic, 37-inch wheels with run-flat tires. From the cockpit, you can change the tire pressure to adjust traction on different surfaces.

Should Jeep build this vehicle? Only if it wants to make a lot of money.


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At the Detroit show, the Rescue will team with the Dodge Sling Shot and another concept from the Chrysler division to preview DaimlerChrysler's future designs. The Sling Shot, a sporty-looking compact car, features the sort of right angles on its rear end that are characteristic of Renault's edgy designs. The Sling Shot's triple exhaust is a nice touch, as is its instrument panel, where the bigger gauges are paired and encased with the smaller gauges in a way that resembles a belt with two differently sized pulleys.


If the Rescue is Jeep's Hummer, the Sling Shot (shown here) is Dodge's Renault.

As with the Rescue, DaimlerChrysler has not made an announcement about production plans for the Sling Shot. They describe it as a "sports car," but its performance characteristics are more like European small cars (such as Renaults) than American ones. The Sling Shot will use a three-cylinder gas engine borrowed from DaimlerChrysler's Smart brand. Based on that engine's characteristics and the vehicle's power-to-weight ratio, Dodge estimates the Sling Shot will be able to go from 0-60 mph in about ten seconds. While that's nothing special, like a European car, it can do that and still get about 45 miles to the gallon.
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Old 11-27-2003, 09:39 AM   #5 (permalink)
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hi, maybe you can post the text of the article, and maybe some pictures instead of sending us to a link that asks that we install shit on our computer... thanks
Sorry there, I saw the pop up too and just hit no and the website still came up. I thought it was no big deal.

here is a picture for you:

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Old 11-27-2003, 10:25 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I dont think it will make it to production. And it seems to be much more a rip-off of the Original Hummer than the H2 bastard child. While it may turn out to be the most capable jeep yet, i think they should be able to come up with their own unique design, rather than steeling sales through imitation. Jeep has, and should, always be imitated...not do the imitating.
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Old 11-27-2003, 10:25 AM   #7 (permalink)
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OMG that is thr hummer with little changes....copying bastards!
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Old 11-27-2003, 02:27 PM   #8 (permalink)
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looks cooler than the H2 to me, and they might as well, right now the H2 is in a class by itself. it'd be nice to see it get a little competition.. and as far as offroad handling is concerned, i think Jeep is the best bet for keeping up.
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Old 11-28-2003, 09:50 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I live in Toledo, the home of the Jeep, and this is just a concept. It's been talked about in town, and as far as I know from engineers that work there, it will never get to production. As for the slingshot, that does have a possiblity. The H2 similarities are just just that, but don't worry. As for the lawsuit that Daimler had with GM over the grill, that was settled out of court, so this might just be a way of Daimler getting back at GM.
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Old 11-28-2003, 10:24 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Jeep has, and should, always be imitated...not do the imitating.
I always thought that the H2 grill was a Jeep rip off. Even the doors somewhat resembled that of a Wrangler.
Jeep has always been imated, this time someone succeeded. And because of that success anything that they do will look like a rip off.
Chrysler really missed the boat on this one.
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Old 11-30-2003, 05:23 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Can someone tell me why GMC isn't allowed to sue Jeep for doing this? Where do they draw the line for what's allowed? That's almost exactly a Hummer.
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Old 11-30-2003, 08:15 PM   #12 (permalink)
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First off, its only a concept drawing...you cant sue someone for drawing a similar vehicle.

Second, there really isn't that much to get angry about. Now that i look at it again, it is a distinct Jeep Wrangler shape. Move the handles down, take off the rear doors and its a yellow Wrangler. The more i look at it, the less it looks like a Hummer, and the more it looks like a 4door Wrangler.
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Old 12-01-2003, 07:19 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Let me start off by saying I live in the REAL hometown of the Hummers, South Bend, IN. I've been seeing those things come off the production line for years, and know lots of people who build, drive, and test them. If Jeep thinks they can make a hummer-like vehicle, they had better price it dirt cheep, cause no one wants a cheep knock off that isn't a damn good deal, and that's all that jeep is, a cheap knockoff...
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Old 12-01-2003, 07:47 PM   #14 (permalink)
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The four door wrangler was a Dakar wasn't it?
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Old 12-01-2003, 10:25 PM   #15 (permalink)
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why doesn't jeep just pull its collective head out of its ass, and do what it did in the first place? just design a no comprimise 4-wheeler that does what it supposed to do, and does it well and reliably. Hell, you just can't let your designers spoof something in a fit of copying and envy. That is how Lamborghini (sp?) came up with the LM002. That behemoth had a 73 gallon gas tank! It could do some great stuff (including pulling a tank that was in neutral), but it still bombed. Good luck finding links, its been a while since I looked for it.
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Old 12-01-2003, 11:35 PM   #16 (permalink)
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why doesn't jeep just pull its collective head out of its ass, and do what it did in the first place? just design a no comprimise 4-wheeler that does what it supposed to do, and does it well and reliably.
Have you heard about the Wrangler Rubicon? stock for stock. it is second only to maybe the Hummer (the real one) and its at half the price. Id say that fits your description.
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Old 12-03-2003, 11:36 AM   #17 (permalink)
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ya the new jeep rubicon is locked up front and rear and has more aggresive tires.

i've always thought hummer kinda took some jeep looks and added it to there concept.
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Old 12-03-2003, 01:30 PM   #18 (permalink)
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i have seen something very similar to this by jeep on the road already. didnt catch a name plate for the model. guess i will go scope the Jeep website and report back shortly.
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Old 12-03-2003, 01:40 PM   #19 (permalink)
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what i saw was a tricked out, or fully loaded (i'm not sure which) 2005 Jeep Scrambler. a VERY tough looking and imposing vehicle. not much info availabe yet, i will keep looking.
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Old 12-03-2003, 01:47 PM   #20 (permalink)
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or maybe it was a 2005 wrangler unlimited. i dont know, i give up.
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Old 12-03-2003, 11:25 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I know Jeep was pissing me off big time at the 2002 or 2003 International Auto Show down here last time i saw them. They were making a blatant Hummer (h1) knockoff mod for their wrangler. I dont have pictures of it and cant remember the model name, but they basically took a front end of a hummer, made it narrower, and slapped it on a Wrangler. They did ZERO increase to performance mods, but on a widebody kit and kicked the price up a few grand. I was very disturbed to see Jeep going the way of the "ricer" trend.


That COULD have been what you were seeing...not sure. I seriously doubt you were seeing a 2005 anything though. Quite possibly could have been an old scrambler....there is a huge following for those still...mainly in the rockcrawlin scene.
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Old 03-09-2004, 05:50 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Ok if any of you knew jeeps you would realize the Rescue is a larger Wrangler, plain and simple, with a beefier driveline, I have seen a complete Rescue, real life pictures, not just a drawing. It may be a little bit more rounded at the corners than the traditional Jeep, but when you look at it in person there is no mistaking it for a Jeep.
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Old 03-10-2004, 10:50 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Yes, now that the auto shows have come and gone, and they have unveiled it, it does clearly look like a Jeep but is in no way related to teh Wrangler at ALL.
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Old 03-15-2004, 01:51 PM   #24 (permalink)
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i dont really think that its a knock off more like them trying to make it look more rugged
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Old 03-15-2004, 03:03 PM   #25 (permalink)
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here is a picture I found of the production vehicle, other pics can be found HERE I'd say it looks like a mix between the wrangler and the liberty, but it is most definately a jeep, nothing else.
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Old 03-15-2004, 11:43 PM   #26 (permalink)
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umm.....wellllllll the hummer actually technically ripped off/paid tribute to the orignial willys/jeep...so technically its jeep being jeep...now granted this new one looks more like the h2 in the concept drawings but production looks alot less like concept...
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Old 03-15-2004, 11:46 PM   #27 (permalink)
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It's called the Jeep Rescue - it's still a concept though
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Old 03-16-2004, 09:44 AM   #28 (permalink)
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It's called the Jeep Rescue - it's still a concept though
yup, if it does go into production it will likely be very similar if not exact to the current show model, it will likely be offered either to goverment agencies suck as search and rescue, fire departments, or parks services; or me offered as a special option such as the Jeep Rubicon.
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Old 03-16-2004, 10:01 AM   #29 (permalink)
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The hummer is NOT a copy or a rip off of the Jeep....Here is the Proof.


(11)March 31, 1971 - Jeep Corporation General Products Division facilities and business were spun off and a separate wholly-owned subsidiary of American Motors was formed and named AM General Corporation.

(12)February 23, 1979 - AM General Corporation corporate offices were moved from Wayne to Detroit (American Motors AMTEK Building).

(13)September 20, 1983 - AM General Corporation was sold by American Motors to The LTV Corporation, becoming a subsidiary of LTV Aerospace and Defense Company and doing business as LTV Aerospace & Defense Company, AM General Division.

(14)August 20, 1984 - AM General Division corporate offices were moved from the American Motors AMTEK Building to new facilities off Plymouth Road in Livonia, Michigan.

(15)October 1. 1986 - AM General corporate offices were moved to the existing manufacturing facility on Chippewa Avenue in South Bend, Indiana, with the Engineering facility remaining in Livonia, Michigan.

(16)Novemenber 1, 1986 - AM General working name was changed to LTV Missiles & Electronics Group, AM General Division, as a result of a reorganization of LTV Corporation.

(17)February 1, 1990 - AM General working name was changed to LTV Aerospace and Defense Company, AM General Corporation, as a result of a reorganization of LTV Corporation.



Jeep owned or was affiliated with AM General.....they obviously used the jeep as a basis for the hummer, thus the similarities. You cannot blame general motors for buying the company, sticking to its original design, and making it better than it ever was.....Jeep screwed themselves.....
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Old 03-16-2004, 02:03 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Wow, Jeep calls that an answer to the H2? I don't really see how that's going to appeal to the same market, not to mention its a Jeep Bad call on Jeep's part if they produce that, because I just don't think it can begin to compete w/ the H2
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Old 03-16-2004, 02:48 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Just what the world needs, another gas guzzling my dick is bigger than your dick car. Biggest waste of space, fuel and metal around. In my opinion, if you drive a hummer, you should be in the military, otherwise its just gratuitous
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Old 03-23-2004, 09:28 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Hummer / Jeep hmm......

I don't really see Hummer at all. It sounds like it may have some fun features for those who lov off road.......
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Old 03-23-2004, 10:24 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I think that it has some major advantages and other major disadvantages. It is all about what you like doing... I love trails out here in AZ meaning that rocks are my friends. I need flex, strength and something small.... some of the places we get in to are way way way to small for fullsize vehicles. Here is a picture of mine rig on a trail near my town.

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Old 03-23-2004, 10:42 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Point of order: You don't drop a Cummins into a soccer-mommobile. Although that won't stop a lot of people that have no use for one from buying it.

Nowadays any new fullsize SUV with 4 doors is going to be automatically called a Hummer knockoff. Just like all of the other manufacturers pickups trying to imitate the Dodge look.
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Old 03-23-2004, 11:43 PM   #35 (permalink)
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I think the Rescue it looks like a modernized, militarized Cherokee myself. If they put a small I-6 Cummins in it, make it tow well, drive comfortably, give it some wheel clearance and a decent 4 wheel drive system, I would look hard at buying it if under 32k. They need to make sure it doesn't look like an X-Terra too.

I have had 4 Jeeps and loved them all.
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Old 03-24-2004, 11:24 AM   #36 (permalink)
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i seriously doubt that IF it was made, and if it was sold to the public, it would be less than 32k. Its too big for that tag. That Jeep is huge compared to the cherokee. 123" wheelbase, sharing the same platform as the Dodge 2500. Those wheels - 37" Goodyear mt/r runflats - Stock. With features like the tires being inflatable/deflatable from inside the cab, and being able to riase and lower the ride height by 4 inches ought to bring a nice and high price tag. Couple that with the neat features like undercarraige camera, 3-d topo mapping and infared cameras...it would not only outperform the H2, but probably manage to cost more as well.

And boo, as for that Cummins they are putting in there... itll make 325HP, and 600 lb/ft of torque. Ought to be pretty good at towing stuff id think.

If you want more info, and a large selection of pics (underbody shots too) check out Rock Crawler. From those pics, it looks to me like it ought to be very capable, not just a mommy-mobile.
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Old 04-10-2004, 08:40 PM   #37 (permalink)
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HAH, good job to the idiots at Chrystler. I wonder what they were thinking?

Looks like a Hummer with a Jeep front end. ICKY!
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Old 04-11-2004, 08:02 PM   #38 (permalink)
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does look like a H2

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Old 04-12-2004, 12:55 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Go Jeep!!! Hummer is a knock-off of Jeep. The 7 Slot Grill was Jeeps Idea and Hummer Stole it. Wrangler would own the Hummers in 4wheelin.
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Old 04-17-2004, 10:01 AM   #40 (permalink)
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All I know is it will be a bad azz off roader if it is made by Jeep
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