Buying a used motorcycle and the balance between quality and price. - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Jimellow · 04-19-2009, 08:07 PM

I completed the Pennsylvania Motorcycle Safety Course last year. I've been keeping my eye on Craigslist and local bike listings via other outlets, but haven't purchased my first bike yet.

I met a guy at a party last night who had just bought a new Honda CBR600RR and was selling his 2001 Suzuki Katana, also a 600cc.

He is selling it for $1,000. It has been ridden hard, has road rash (cracked right front fairing, and some scuffs on the same side), and has about 30,000 miles on it. I knew it was ridden hard based on discussions with him and his friends, as well as him telling me how fast he got it up to, etc.

I'm starting to look at bikes again with the weather getting warm, and while $1,000 is a nice price for a motorcycle, I'm a bit turned off by the damage, mileage, and riding history of the seller. On one hand, it's a nice bike to start on, with a reasonable price and pre-existing damage. On the other, while $1,000 is reasonable, I feel it might be spent better invested on a bike that I expected to have a healthier past, and longer future.

I am not entirely sure on the type of bike I'd like to buy yet. I've found the sport offerings of Suzuki and Honda to be most comfortable, but in terms of comfort and longer rides, a more upright sitting position, or even cruiser, could seem appealing to me. I also think I am less likely to kill myself on the latter. Self control has its merits, but being able to go very fast in a very short period of time makes me skeptical that I would have trouble resisting the urge all the time, despite me being a very disciplined person.

In regards to bike quality, I was reared with the approach that quality remains long after the price is forgotten, and even if I am buying a motorcycle with the understanding that it will likely be dropped a few times and not remain in pristine condition, I am a bit reluctant to buy a mediocre beater bike solely on that basis; as it generally goes against the core of my approach to purchasing things I truly care about. With that said, I don't look to buy new vehicles either, especially in this instance, but I don't think that necessarily means I should just settle for any nicely priced piece of damaged goods I come across either.

If anyone has thoughts, please share them.

Plan9 · 04-19-2009, 08:18 PM

You don't have to settle for a beater and you can do better than that $1000 eyesore. I'd skip on something that was repeatedly abused, regardless of the attractive price, given the nature of motorcycle owners. It would be very easy for you to find a garage kept bike, never dropped, that the owner neglected only through not riding it due to job / marriage / other bike. I'd recommend shopping the used market more. Get onto Cycletrader.com and see what is in your area and go check it out. You'd be surprised to find how many gently used gems are sitting around within 2 hours of your house and have owners that are willing to negotiate a dynamite deal. Bikes are like guns... people buy 'em and try 'em for a little while and trade 'em for something else. I agree that used is the best way to go, but that doesn't mean you have to end up with damaged bike.

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It's been my experience that if you intend on riding for longer than an hour and a half or doing any distance, a cruiser would better suit your needs. The combination of the upright position on a good cushy saddle and a highway bar with pegs for your boots makes for a riding experience that is a similar to chillin' in a cushy recliner with the footrest up... something a crotch rocket can't come close to emulating. The insurance on a cruiser is significantly less pricey as well, from what my insurance company told me at the time of purchase. I'm a post-25 youngin' and pay $157 a year for my cruiser (1100cc) versus the $600+ that it would have been for a comparable sport bike.

kinsaj · 04-19-2009, 11:12 PM

Also, if you do not know the history of the bike (through friends etc) then you have to be confidant in the mechanical condition. If you are not the type to do repairs, bring along a mechanic to do a quick once-over of the vehicle. People lie about histories. Also, be patient... and do not jump on deals that look too good to be true.

nomcat · 04-20-2009, 03:10 AM

I agree with Crompsin in that if you want to do long stretches don't go for a sports bike... it'll kill your wrists and back. I wouldn't recommended a cruiser though, just because they're quite heavy for a first bike. Also, I prefer a more nimble bike for carving up twisties! You can find an enduro/dual-sport style bike with plenty of power to make you grin, with a nice comfy position for long rides. It also means you can explore any dirt roads you may pass that look interesting.

Or something like an Suzuki SV650 that's comfy and kinda sporty. It all depends on what kinda riding you see yourself doing.

Oh, and I'd avoid your mate's bike like the plague...

Plan9 · 04-20-2009, 07:39 AM

Stop calling my bike heavy! I lost my bike cherry to a fat girl.

Skutch · 04-20-2009, 09:14 AM

If money is tight, $1k to get into a bike may not be a bad idea, if the bike is mechanically sound and won't cost you $$$ just to keep it running. Ive never ridden a sportbike, but I frequently read about people taking sportbikes long distance touring...you would have to decide if you could get comfortable on a sportbike for that sort of thing. If you do any offroading, that would open up the dual-sport category, of which there are many good options. DS/enduro bikes, with their comfortable riding positions and luggage upgrades, can be turned into fine long-distance bikes (can take a few $ depending on the model).

I would say the most important thing is to first get straight in your head exactly what type of riding you will be doing the most (and what type of riding is available locally), then choose a bike category and then model of bike.

Jimellow · 04-20-2009, 10:59 AM

The Suzuki SV-650 has been one of the bikes at the forefront of my consideration since I started sitting on bikes at dealers last year. It has a more upright riding position, and while it has power, it's my understanding that the torque is set up in a way where it's less likely to take off like a sport bike - which seems safer to me.

I'm admittedly tempted by the ability to ride fast and like an idiot, as most younger folks are, but realistically I'm very aware that motorcycles are incredibly powerful and can be dangerous if not handled safely. Thus, I wouldn't mind getting a bike that was less speed/sport oriented, if only as a double-check method for making goofy driving less likely. Generally am looking to get into motorcycling to go for longer rides, ofentimes without a set destination. I go for drives in my car quite often, and a motorcycle will likely take that experience and make it even more enjoyable.

What are some model names for hybrid/enduro bikes? One of the bikes used in the safety course was an enduro, but I didn't have the opportunity to ride it. Looking back, I should have taken the opportunity to, as unlike cars, test rides on bikes are generally not happening. I think I'd be more inclined to pursue a cruiser type bike than an enduro, but I don't want to shut any doors at such an early stage.

Sport bikes certainly seem fun, and most guys I know that are around my age (27) or younger drive them similar to the style seen quite frequently on YouTube. This is also the style that greatly increases the odds of accidents and serious injury. It seems fun, but realistically it's not really the type of riding I'm looking to get into, as I enjoy life and would like to live past thirty.

If I had to describe the type of riding I'd be looking to do, it would be going out on a nice day and driving for a few hours; ideally on the highway, but also some back roads through a state park or similarly scenic area.

As for cruisers and more upright riders... What are some models I should be checking out and looking for? I'd likely be looking to start with a 500cc or so bike, perhaps more on a heavier cruiser. I am a taller guy (6' 2") and found the upright rides to feel a bit cramped. I have long legs, and thus stretching them out a bit would likely be ideal. Oddly, the Suzuki and Honda sport bikes felt more comfortable and less cramped than the more upright rides (Honda Nighthawk?), whereas the Kawasaki and Yamaha sport bikes didn't fit me quite as well. I didn't sit on as many cruisers, thus my experience is skewed a bit towards the sportier types.

nomcat · 04-20-2009, 11:32 AM

I reckon SV650 then... enough power for a good blast, light enough to handle as a first bike, comfy for longer rides, great engine... the v-twin is great fun with good torque! I can't recommend a v-twin enough as a first bike! Inline 4's under 750cc are generally too revvy for my liking. Plus if you fall in love with the SV650 there are LOADS of mods and addons for it.

If you wanna go cruiser I'm sure Crompsin will have a few recommendations.

Think about it, make a decision, and go for it! Make a good 2nd hand purchase and you can always sell it for the same price you paid... that's what I love about buying 2nd hand.

Got to BikePics and have a look at the manufacturers listings... browse a few models and see what you like! They split it up nicely into bike types for each manufacturer.

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Oh and VROOM VROOM!!

Plan9 · 04-20-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimellow

As for cruisers and more upright riders... What are some models I should be checking out and looking for? I'd likely be looking to start with a 500cc or so bike, perhaps more on a heavier cruiser. I am a taller guy (6' 2") and found the upright rides to feel a bit cramped. I have long legs, and thus stretching them out a bit would likely be ideal. Oddly, the Suzuki and Honda sport bikes felt more comfortable and less cramped than the more upright rides (Honda Nighthawk?), whereas the Kawasaki and Yamaha sport bikes didn't fit me quite as well. I didn't sit on as many cruisers, thus my experience is skewed a bit towards the sportier types.

Yeah, all the stuff I said above and:

The Nighthawk is what some may refer to as a "girly bike" and isn't designed for your body. Why would you settle for that? That isn't even a midsized bike... that's a peppy little scooter. You went to the course did learned how to handle a bike responsibly, right? Reward yourself with a real bike.

See, you're even taller than I am and probably weigh significantly more (given that I'm stacked like a skeleton)... get a bike that'll suit your body. Don't be afraid of the weight of cruisers, it's rarely a negative factor. There is no reason why you couldn't start with a 1100cc Honda Shadow cruiser. Check 'em out... Shadow ACE, " Spirit, " Sabre (my bike). They're extremely popular and I can attest to their comfort for taller guys. Any comparable sized bike made by the other big names (Star V-Star or Kawasaki Vulcan 900) would be a good choice as well.

Don't get a starter bike that you'll outgrow in dimensions or power in a month. Cruisers are amazingly comfortable for tall guys given the upright position, cushy seats available, and the addition of foot pegs. I'm big on safety and I feel safer doing highway trips on a heavier bike that has a highway bar to protect my legs. I was nervous at first on my adult-sized bike (especially since I learned how to ride on a dirtbike and training class used pathetic 250s), but after taking the safety class and stalling out a million times in my neighborhood, I've taken my rumbling spaceship through three states.

Cheater · 04-20-2009, 05:41 PM

Nice bike, Crompsin! I have to agree with everything you said. My son was looking at the 750 Honda and found the 1100 Shadow Sabre (your bike only in black) and since it matched the bike I had at the time, it was a no brainer, he's thrilled with it.

Jimellow, you said you just completed the safety course and are looking for a used bike because you will likely drop it a few times? That scares me. If you completed the course successfully, dropping the bike is something you shouldn't even be thinking about. Start out on the back roads until you are comfortable with the bike, and watch out for the cagers, sometimes they just don't see us on the bikes. I'm not sure where you are in Pennsylvania, but I ride along the Delaware quite often, nice ride. Post a picture of whatever you purchase and I'll be looking for you on the road.

FuglyStick · 04-20-2009, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by nomcat

Oh and VROOM VROOM!!

A 2009 V-MAX would be a fine investment, but you're not gonna find one for a grand.

And 197 horses--WTF?

Jimellow · 04-20-2009, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheater

Nice bike, Crompsin! I have to agree with everything you said. My son was looking at the 750 Honda and found the 1100 Shadow Sabre (your bike only in black) and since it matched the bike I had at the time, it was a no brainer, he's thrilled with it.

Jimellow, you said you just completed the safety course and are looking for a used bike because you will likely drop it a few times? That scares me. If you completed the course successfully, dropping the bike is something you shouldn't even be thinking about. Start out on the back roads until you are comfortable with the bike, and watch out for the cagers, sometimes they just don't see us on the bikes. I'm not sure where you are in Pennsylvania, but I ride along the Delaware quite often, nice ride. Post a picture of whatever you purchase and I'll be looking for you on the road.

The only reason I mention being concerned about dropping the bike is due to me reading it numerous places online: "Don't invest heavily in a first bike, as it will likely be dropped once or twice," etc. During the riding portion of the safety course, I had no issues, aside from stalling numerous times along with everyone else. The instructor did tell me I'll need to slow down once I hit the roads, and that's valid advice, as I tend to drive faster than average in general. Beyond that, I didn't come close to dropping the bike at all. In my experience, bicycles are easier to drop than motorcycles due to the pedaling motion and rocking of the body when exerting oneself fully.

Crompsin: I'm a tall, but not that heavy either. I weigh about 175, and that's after transitioning to weight training after running and doing cardio type things for most of my life.

In regards to power... In cruisers, what are the benefits of more power in a bike? In sport bikes, it's obviously faster acceleration and top end speed, but are there any differences or other traits that power in a cruiser affects? As a lighter person, can there be too much power to the point where it's excessive, even dangerous?

Also, do you have any general price ranges for the types of bikes you recommended? Is age of the bike a concern, or do they hold up well if maintained properly? I'd be looking to buy used, but would still like a quality bike that has staying power.

Your bike looks very nice, and in my browsing online it seems cruisers are generally in better condition when sold used than sport bikes. This makes sense, as I gather it's a more stable, and safer, riding style so the bikes are less likely to get damaged. With that said, I've only browsed a few cruiser ads to date, but most sport bikes listed had a high rate of suffering road rash of some sort.

This has been a very informative thread. I'll likely come up with more questions as I browse and talk to others, but please leave any and all comments if you have any to share.

EDIT: I'm not realistically expecting to find a decent bike for $1,000. That just happened to be the price stated by the guy I met at the party, and his bike certainly wasn't in good condition by any means. I'm willing to pay for quality, but would like to establish some price guidelines so I can have something to work with. With that said, saving some money and spending less is a wonderful thing; thus my desire to buy used.

ngdawg · 04-20-2009, 07:51 PM

The only reason to buy a used bike the first time out is to see if it's your thing. Some people invest in new ones only to find they didn't like riding as much as they thought they might or were afraid to venture out, etc. And bikes are like boats-you always trade up to bigger.
Many dealers have open house weekends or "ride" rallies where you can try out bikes on guided rides. You're under no obligation to buy and it's a great way to get a feel for what you might want. Then go out and buy it used if that's what you want to do.

Jimellow · 04-20-2009, 09:17 PM

I've been doing some random Internet wandering and have become intrigued by the dual-sport/enduro bikes. Is anyone else familiar with these types of motorcycle? Skutch's post led me to doing some YouTube video searches, and they do seem like fun bikes. If anyone has model recommendations, or any information about this type of bike, I'd appreciate it as well.

One of the guys I work with used to ride a dual sport to work. His shift would end, he would hop on, and be on his way. It seemed like a fun bike, but I live in an urban environment and am not sure I would be able to utilize the other/off-road aspect of the bike as much. I'm kicking myself for not trying out the dual sport that was available at my training course.

I'm not sure what it is, but the dual sports do seem like a lot of fun. I was smiling openly while watching the videos on YouTube. For some reason, they remind me of a "pick up and go" bike, which is alluring to me for reasons unknown to me.

It's my impression that dual sport/enduro bikes are of the minority in the area I live and am searching listings for, so I'd really appreciate any sort of feedback about the bikes, whether it be in regards to pricing, brand, or recommended engine power. It's possible there are more available than I've seen, and I'm just not using the right search terms or model names, so any assistance would be great.

kinsaj · 04-21-2009, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Crompsin

Yeah, all the stuff I said above and:

The Nighthawk is what some may refer to as a "girly bike" and isn't designed for your body. Why would you settle for that? That isn't even a midsized bike... that's a peppy little scooter. You went to the course did learned how to handle a bike responsibly, right? Reward yourself with a real bike.

Hey... the nighthawk did not always suck.

This one is just like mine... same year/color. for '84-86, they did a "SC" model which was supposed to be the California Cruiser. It had some balls and a shaft drive (pun intended) so no chain maintenance required. Still riding mine, along with the dual sports.

...sorry to threadjack

Skutch · 04-21-2009, 11:40 AM

Examples of some dual sport bikes:
Kawasaki KLR650
Kawasaki Versys
Suzuki DR650SE
Suzuki DR400Z
Suzuki Vstrom 650
Honda XR650L
Honda CRF230L

These are the mainstream DS bikes. They are basically dirtbikes that are legal for street use...turn signals, brake lights, electric starters (great feature). Some are more street-oriented while some are more dirt-oriented. More street oriented (KLR, DR650, Versys) would mean larger fuel tanks for longer distance touring, street tires, luggage racks, windscreens, less suspension travel. XRs and DRZs are more suited for offroad riding (longer suspension, smaller tanks, knobbier tires, no windscreens) and not very comfortable for long highway miles, but for buzzing around town and daytrips into the countryside they're fine. Parts are cheap and readily available for all the mainstream japanese bikes.

They are relatively low tech (with the exception of some of the european makes such as BMW, KTM), but dead reliable and easy to work on. Some engines are water-cooled, some air-cooled. There are large aftermarket options available for most of the japanese bikes (luggage racks, hand warmers, windscreens, engine guards, more comfortable seats, etc). Some have very tall seat heights (XR650L), some low (DR650). Being able to touch the ground flatfoot is a reassuring feature to some, especially riders just starting out. Some people like the feel and handling of a lightweight bike over a heavier one.

I have an XR650L, and wouldn't take it on long distance trips anymore. After 100 miles or so on the street, I've had enough. The seat is uncomfortable and the buzzy engine noise and vibration is tiring. I recently rented a Honda Goldwing (a dedicated touring bike) and spent a day on it, and I really appreciated the extra storage space, comfortable seat and riding position, giant windscreen (there is no windblast hitting you) and smooth, quiet engine.

I would agree with the others and try to test ride the bikes first. Some dealers allow test rides, some don't. Where I live the city dealerships don't allow test rides, but the ones in more rural areas did. There is a subjective feel to each bike that will help with your decision.

I would pass on the new Yamaha VMAX as a first bike as well. It's a land-based fighter jet...

Jinn · 04-21-2009, 11:56 AM

Honda Magna 750 VF is a nice fight in the cruiser/crotch rocket niche. It's got the get-up-and-go of a sport bike (0-60 in 4, redline at 14k) and the relative comfort of a cruiser. I'm 6'6' and 220 lb and I fit on it comfortable. It's been a GREAT first bike for me... I took the class last year too and have about a season and a half so far on it.

Only cost me $3400, so you shouldn't have to break the bank. A motorcycle mechanic told me not to get below '90, simply because they're a lot harder for mechanics to work on with so many variations. Motorcycle standardization has come a long way in the last 10-20 years.

Jimellow · 04-22-2009, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Skutch

Examples of some dual sport bikes:
Kawasaki KLR650
Kawasaki Versys
Suzuki DR650SE
Suzuki DR400Z
Suzuki Vstrom 650
Honda XR650L
Honda CRF230L

These are the mainstream DS bikes. They are basically dirtbikes that are legal for street use...turn signals, brake lights, electric starters (great feature). Some are more street-oriented while some are more dirt-oriented. More street oriented (KLR, DR650, Versys) would mean larger fuel tanks for longer distance touring, street tires, luggage racks, windscreens, less suspension travel. XRs and DRZs are more suited for offroad riding (longer suspension, smaller tanks, knobbier tires, no windscreens) and not very comfortable for long highway miles, but for buzzing around town and daytrips into the countryside they're fine. Parts are cheap and readily available for all the mainstream japanese bikes.

They are relatively low tech (with the exception of some of the european makes such as BMW, KTM), but dead reliable and easy to work on. Some engines are water-cooled, some air-cooled. There are large aftermarket options available for most of the japanese bikes (luggage racks, hand warmers, windscreens, engine guards, more comfortable seats, etc). Some have very tall seat heights (XR650L), some low (DR650). Being able to touch the ground flatfoot is a reassuring feature to some, especially riders just starting out. Some people like the feel and handling of a lightweight bike over a heavier one.

I have an XR650L, and wouldn't take it on long distance trips anymore. After 100 miles or so on the street, I've had enough. The seat is uncomfortable and the buzzy engine noise and vibration is tiring. I recently rented a Honda Goldwing (a dedicated touring bike) and spent a day on it, and I really appreciated the extra storage space, comfortable seat and riding position, giant windscreen (there is no windblast hitting you) and smooth, quiet engine.

I would agree with the others and try to test ride the bikes first. Some dealers allow test rides, some don't. Where I live the city dealerships don't allow test rides, but the ones in more rural areas did. There is a subjective feel to each bike that will help with your decision.

I would pass on the new Yamaha VMAX as a first bike as well. It's a land-based fighter jet...

Thanks for the reply and information. It's very valuable, especially the portion about which bikes are more street oriented, as those are likely to be the ones I'd be pursuing.

I was talking to a buddy at work who had a dual-sport bike and he had only good things to say about it. He mentioned reliability, as well as the fact that they are easy to work on. Beyond that, he said they can take a few dings and are great to zip around town on. He sold his a year or so ago, and is now looking to buy another one; which says a lot given that he's had two very nice bikes aside from the dual-sport.

After talking to him, I'm starting to think this type of bike would be ideal for me. Since I've started looking at bikes, I haven't been as excited about a specific type until being exposed to the dual-sport class. They genuinely seem like a lot of fun, and while they do seem a bit non-traditional in regards to the type of bike I might have expected to be pursuing, they're very alluring to me.

My friend mentioned getting tires that are more suited for the road if/when I do get a dual-sport. Apparently there are tires available with different road/dirt percentages, and if one intends to ride primarily on the street, it may be wise to get a more suitable tire.

I like that the dual-sport type bikes have the ability to go off road a bit if the situation should arise. I'm admittedly going to be doing most of the riding in an urban environment, but if I get out into the more rural areas and there are some trails, I imagine it would be good fun to take it off road a bit as well.

I'm not going to close any doors in regards to what type of bike I'm not getting yet, but the dual-sports do seem very appealing to me. Finding one used seems like it might be a tall order, as they don't seem to be as common in the used listings and my buddy said they go fast when listed because of this, but I'll keep my eye out.

In regards to the cruisers, the Honda Magna 750 VF Jinn shared looks and sounds like a great bike, and at a nice price. Cruisers seem like great bikes, and if I don't get one initially, I think it's fair to say I would certainly pursue one at some point in my life; providing I stick with motorcycling.

nomcat · 04-22-2009, 06:18 AM

If you're keen on the more street orientated dual-sports and something a little bigger than those listed, the Yamaha TDM850 or 900 is a cracking bike! It's an inline twin, so it has better power delivery than the big singles. Yamaha TDM850 (1991-2001) - Yamaha Motorcycle Reviews

Jimellow · 04-22-2009, 08:53 AM

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If you're keen on the more street orientated dual-sports and something a little bigger than those listed, the Yamaha TDM850 or 900 is a cracking bike! It's an inline twin, so it has better power delivery than the big singles. Yamaha TDM850 (1991-2001) - Yamaha Motorcycle Reviews

Neat site, thanks.

I'll keep my eye out for a TDM850/900, but I gather such a bike will be even more rare than the few dual-sports I've seen listed lately.

Jinn · 04-22-2009, 09:21 AM

I'm not a fan of DS, particularly because of the tires they usually have. Tires are a pretty part of performance and handling in cars, and this is even more the case when you only have two and you're BALANCING on them. DS with anything close to trail tires or knobby tires scares the hell out of me on streets, and is incredibly dangerous IMO.

percy · 04-24-2009, 11:38 AM

I've ridden many bikes in the past and the best advice I can give you is do your research and don't settle for anything that isn't you.

I've been looking around for a new bike and am 99.9% sure I have the one. Before I tell you what I am heavily leaning toward, let me tell you how I got there.

Wasn't really difficult. When the market basically gives you a choice between a sportsbike and a cruiser, your options are severely limited. Hence, thinking outside the box.

A sportbike isn't my thing, period, so that was one option out. The cruisers were ok, but man, everyone and their brother rides one, or option 1. Not much in the sense of individualism.

Speaking of, I think a bike should be an extension of yourself. The bike I like is pretty cool, kinda weird and a bit odd. Sums me up in a nutshell.

So in the coming weeks I will decide and probably go with something a little out there. Not quite a sportbike, not quite a cruiser in the modern day sense.

Something that is just right for me. A Triumph Bonneville. A bit out there but hey, can't say it isn't different from option 1 and option 2.

nomcat · 04-25-2009, 02:11 AM

Oh man I LOVE the neo-retro Triumphs!! If I had the money, the Thruxton would be my choice... a bit more poke than the Bonneville.

percy · 04-25-2009, 12:33 PM

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Oh man I LOVE the neo-retro Triumphs!! If I had the money, the Thruxton would be my choice... a bit more poke than the Bonneville.

Yeah I really like the Thruxtons also. And by the way, for both the Bonnie and the Thrux, these pictures do them no justice. They have to be ridden to be enjoyed.

Wish my lovely Dad didn't listen to my lovely mom about 15 years ago. She made him sell his '75 Norton Commando 750, Bonnie 650 and another Brit bike, can't remember what it was but it was along the same lines as the other two.

Probably just as well. He was in grease up to his elbows more than he rode the damn things anyways. Oh, but that Norton. What a kick(start)

sprintex · 04-30-2009, 05:29 PM

hey jimellow, dont touch one of those shit box cruisers, if you like getting down the back roads you will only be dissapointed. rough roads, or even worse, dirt roads will have you cursing the unweildly, bad handling things. Leave the cruisers for the old fuckers and buy a dual sport, you'll never look back

Plan9 · 04-30-2009, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sprintex

hey jimellow, dont touch one of those shit box cruisers, if you like getting down the back roads you will only be dissapointed. rough roads, or even worse, dirt roads will have you cursing the unweildly, bad handling things. Leave the cruisers for the old fuckers and buy a dual sport, you'll never look back

Wow, I suddenly became an "old fucker" in my youth! Nice. Glad you expressed your opinion, though. Even if it hurt my fragile feelings.

On the east coast of the US (where the OP hails from) there are literally endless miles of well-maintained highway. Outside DC alone: I-66, 7, 15, 17, and parts of 95 and great for cruisin' on a sunny day. I take my "shit box" up to Gettysburg, PA and back all the time.

From my experience, dual sports have a higher center of gravity, a shorter rake, and less mass... cruisers are the opposite with those three factors... and that makes cruisers good for, well, cruising. They sit low, naturally wanna go straight, have some weight to 'em, and are highly customizable. I can change the seating posture on my bike from scrunched up to upright to slouched to stretched out by simply loosening a few bolts and moving pegs or putting the backrest on my touring saddle. Hard to beat a genre of motorcycle that is that flexible and can be customized to your body and riding style.

You get the bike that suits your surface, riding style, and body. Each style has its strengths and limitations. No sense trash-talkin'.

I wouldn't take my Sabre offroad, but I wouldn't try to go from DC to Virginia Beach on a tiny dual sport. That'd be uncomfy.

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I dare you to find a bike more comfortable for highway hours than a cruiser with a fat touring seat, swept handlebars, and highway pegs.

That and a dual sport will never be as sexy as a cruiser. Dual sports are functional... but cruisers have curves, chrome, and rumble.

Skutch · 05-01-2009, 08:21 AM

Ive been researching motorcycle rentals around the country and was surprised to find out just how many different companies there are. You can rent just about anything, and late-model to boot: sportbikes, dualsport, motocross/enduro, touring, cruiser.

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So try, before you buy.

ngdawg · 05-01-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sprintex

hey jimellow, dont touch one of those shit box cruisers, if you like getting down the back roads you will only be dissapointed. rough roads, or even worse, dirt roads will have you cursing the unweildly, bad handling things. Leave the cruisers for the old fuckers and buy a dual sport, you'll never look back

Opinionated much?
You want to ride a crotch rocket or dirt bike, go ahead, but let people decide for themselves what kind of bike they want.
Try taking that bike on a 600 mile run and get back to us. And do it with a passenger, just for kicks.

Cheater · 05-01-2009, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sprintex

hey jimellow, dont touch one of those shit box cruisers, if you like getting down the back roads you will only be dissapointed. rough roads, or even worse, dirt roads will have you cursing the unweildly, bad handling things. Leave the cruisers for the old fuckers and buy a dual sport, you'll never look back

I cruise the highways and back roads with my Honda VTX 1800t, quite often with a passenger and it handles quite well. I'm not interested in off roading, that is an entirely different type of riding.

Jumellow, there have been a lot of suggestions here, the main one is to get the bike that suits the kind of riding you are interested in. And by all means, check out the dealers for a demo ride, it's the beginning of the season (for those that don't ride all year) and the dealers are having a lot of open houses right now.

Jimellow · 05-02-2009, 07:34 AM

I'm intrigued by the rental option. Are the motorcycle rental businesses generally privately owned, or are there national chains (Hertz/Enterprise, but for bikes) that rent motorcycles?

I don't know of any places around here, but I haven't looked that hard. It seems a rental could be a nice way to try out a few different bike styles to help narrow down the type I'd be most interested in.

What are the rental rates and terms like? I've not rented a car before, but I would imagine there might be more investment required on the consumer end, as bikes are easier to drop/damage given their exposure to the environment.

Cheater · 05-02-2009, 08:33 AM

Just GOOGLE "motorcycle rentals" and that should answer your questions.

And check out the local dealers for those demo rides, you don't have to buy from them, but as long as you seem in interested, I'm sure they will be happy to let you try out whatever you are interested in.

kinsaj · 05-03-2009, 09:27 PM

As far as dealers letting you try bikes out...

Around here, that is not the case. Most dealers you go in and ask if you can take one for a quick test ride and they will just say they are in the business of selling bikes, not renting/loaning. Real friendly folks. But they still make money because most people... around here at least... buy bikes on looks, not how they ride. There is at lease one dealer that is very open and well known for letting you test ride with license/insurance, but they are the exception. I guess it does not hurt to ask though.

This is southern California BTW

percy · 05-08-2009, 09:57 AM

Renting bikes is generally very expensive and if you find a place that will rent, they want a credit card with a minimum few thousand dollar limit available just in case. Then insuring it for the time used.

Alot of dealerships won't even let you demo the bike even when you are seriously considering buying unless they know you or have dealt with you before.

My advice - do huge amounts of research on what you think you like, then find someone very knowledgeable about bikes to go with you to check it out. Either dealer or private sale bring someone along for guidance

sprintex · 05-15-2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ngdawg

Opinionated much?
You want to ride a crotch rocket or dirt bike, go ahead, but let people decide for themselves what kind of bike they want.
Try taking that bike on a 600 mile run and get back to us. And do it with a passenger, just for kicks.

I don't ride a crotch rocket or a dirt bike, I ride a zzr 1100 sport tourer. He stated that he didn't think he could trust himself on a sport bike and that he wanted to spend time on the back roads so a mid range multi- purpose bike would suit him. Dual sport bikes also come in big sizes as well, like triumph tiger 1050. that would be the most comfortable bike I have ever ridden, the suspension travel on them gives them a magic carpet ride that cruiser riders could only dream of and before any one assumes anything else, I have done many miles on cruisers both jap and US

newtx · 05-16-2009, 09:36 PM

A midsized metric (Jap) cruiser is hard to beat for a first bike. Stick with a V-twin and if it is running well now it should do so for a long time. Suzuki, Honda, Kawasaski, etc. Midsize being 600-800 or so. Also prime material for a bobber if you are so inclined. Usually dependable and if you run straight pipes sound really nice .

04-19-2009, 08:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
Jimellow Junkie	Buying a used motorcycle and the balance between quality and price. I completed the Pennsylvania Motorcycle Safety Course last year. I've been keeping my eye on Craigslist and local bike listings via other outlets, but haven't purchased my first bike yet. I met a guy at a party last night who had just bought a new Honda CBR600RR and was selling his 2001 Suzuki Katana, also a 600cc. He is selling it for $1,000. It has been ridden hard, has road rash (cracked right front fairing, and some scuffs on the same side), and has about 30,000 miles on it. I knew it was ridden hard based on discussions with him and his friends, as well as him telling me how fast he got it up to, etc. I'm starting to look at bikes again with the weather getting warm, and while $1,000 is a nice price for a motorcycle, I'm a bit turned off by the damage, mileage, and riding history of the seller. On one hand, it's a nice bike to start on, with a reasonable price and pre-existing damage. On the other, while $1,000 is reasonable, I feel it might be spent better invested on a bike that I expected to have a healthier past, and longer future. I am not entirely sure on the type of bike I'd like to buy yet. I've found the sport offerings of Suzuki and Honda to be most comfortable, but in terms of comfort and longer rides, a more upright sitting position, or even cruiser, could seem appealing to me. I also think I am less likely to kill myself on the latter. Self control has its merits, but being able to go very fast in a very short period of time makes me skeptical that I would have trouble resisting the urge all the time, despite me being a very disciplined person. In regards to bike quality, I was reared with the approach that quality remains long after the price is forgotten, and even if I am buying a motorcycle with the understanding that it will likely be dropped a few times and not remain in pristine condition, I am a bit reluctant to buy a mediocre beater bike solely on that basis; as it generally goes against the core of my approach to purchasing things I truly care about. With that said, I don't look to buy new vehicles either, especially in this instance, but I don't think that necessarily means I should just settle for any nicely priced piece of damaged goods I come across either. If anyone has thoughts, please share them. __________________ Desperation is no excuse for lowering one's standards.

04-19-2009, 08:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	You don't have to settle for a beater and you can do better than that $1000 eyesore. I'd skip on something that was repeatedly abused, regardless of the attractive price, given the nature of motorcycle owners. It would be very easy for you to find a garage kept bike, never dropped, that the owner neglected only through not riding it due to job / marriage / other bike. I'd recommend shopping the used market more. Get onto Cycletrader.com and see what is in your area and go check it out. You'd be surprised to find how many gently used gems are sitting around within 2 hours of your house and have owners that are willing to negotiate a dynamite deal. Bikes are like guns... people buy 'em and try 'em for a little while and trade 'em for something else. I agree that used is the best way to go, but that doesn't mean you have to end up with damaged bike. ... It's been my experience that if you intend on riding for longer than an hour and a half or doing any distance, a cruiser would better suit your needs. The combination of the upright position on a good cushy saddle and a highway bar with pegs for your boots makes for a riding experience that is a similar to chillin' in a cushy recliner with the footrest up... something a crotch rocket can't come close to emulating. The insurance on a cruiser is significantly less pricey as well, from what my insurance company told me at the time of purchase. I'm a post-25 youngin' and pay $157 a year for my cruiser (1100cc) versus the $600+ that it would have been for a comparable sport bike. __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake." Last edited by Plan9; 04-19-2009 at 08:27 PM..

04-19-2009, 11:12 PM	#3 (permalink)
kinsaj Psycho Location: somewhere out there	Also, if you do not know the history of the bike (through friends etc) then you have to be confidant in the mechanical condition. If you are not the type to do repairs, bring along a mechanic to do a quick once-over of the vehicle. People lie about histories. Also, be patient... and do not jump on deals that look too good to be true. __________________ boom

04-20-2009, 03:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
nomcat Twisted Location: UK	I agree with Crompsin in that if you want to do long stretches don't go for a sports bike... it'll kill your wrists and back. I wouldn't recommended a cruiser though, just because they're quite heavy for a first bike. Also, I prefer a more nimble bike for carving up twisties! You can find an enduro/dual-sport style bike with plenty of power to make you grin, with a nice comfy position for long rides. It also means you can explore any dirt roads you may pass that look interesting. Or something like an Suzuki SV650 that's comfy and kinda sporty. It all depends on what kinda riding you see yourself doing. Oh, and I'd avoid your mate's bike like the plague... __________________ There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming. Last edited by nomcat; 04-20-2009 at 03:14 AM..

04-20-2009, 07:39 AM	#5 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	Stop calling my bike heavy! I lost my bike cherry to a fat girl. __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

04-20-2009, 09:14 AM	#6 (permalink)
Skutch Crazy	If money is tight, $1k to get into a bike may not be a bad idea, if the bike is mechanically sound and won't cost you $$$ just to keep it running. Ive never ridden a sportbike, but I frequently read about people taking sportbikes long distance touring...you would have to decide if you could get comfortable on a sportbike for that sort of thing. If you do any offroading, that would open up the dual-sport category, of which there are many good options. DS/enduro bikes, with their comfortable riding positions and luggage upgrades, can be turned into fine long-distance bikes (can take a few $ depending on the model). I would say the most important thing is to first get straight in your head exactly what type of riding you will be doing the most (and what type of riding is available locally), then choose a bike category and then model of bike.

04-20-2009, 10:59 AM	#7 (permalink)
Jimellow Junkie	The Suzuki SV-650 has been one of the bikes at the forefront of my consideration since I started sitting on bikes at dealers last year. It has a more upright riding position, and while it has power, it's my understanding that the torque is set up in a way where it's less likely to take off like a sport bike - which seems safer to me. I'm admittedly tempted by the ability to ride fast and like an idiot, as most younger folks are, but realistically I'm very aware that motorcycles are incredibly powerful and can be dangerous if not handled safely. Thus, I wouldn't mind getting a bike that was less speed/sport oriented, if only as a double-check method for making goofy driving less likely. Generally am looking to get into motorcycling to go for longer rides, ofentimes without a set destination. I go for drives in my car quite often, and a motorcycle will likely take that experience and make it even more enjoyable. What are some model names for hybrid/enduro bikes? One of the bikes used in the safety course was an enduro, but I didn't have the opportunity to ride it. Looking back, I should have taken the opportunity to, as unlike cars, test rides on bikes are generally not happening. I think I'd be more inclined to pursue a cruiser type bike than an enduro, but I don't want to shut any doors at such an early stage. Sport bikes certainly seem fun, and most guys I know that are around my age (27) or younger drive them similar to the style seen quite frequently on YouTube. This is also the style that greatly increases the odds of accidents and serious injury. It seems fun, but realistically it's not really the type of riding I'm looking to get into, as I enjoy life and would like to live past thirty. If I had to describe the type of riding I'd be looking to do, it would be going out on a nice day and driving for a few hours; ideally on the highway, but also some back roads through a state park or similarly scenic area. As for cruisers and more upright riders... What are some models I should be checking out and looking for? I'd likely be looking to start with a 500cc or so bike, perhaps more on a heavier cruiser. I am a taller guy (6' 2") and found the upright rides to feel a bit cramped. I have long legs, and thus stretching them out a bit would likely be ideal. Oddly, the Suzuki and Honda sport bikes felt more comfortable and less cramped than the more upright rides (Honda Nighthawk?), whereas the Kawasaki and Yamaha sport bikes didn't fit me quite as well. I didn't sit on as many cruisers, thus my experience is skewed a bit towards the sportier types. __________________ Desperation is no excuse for lowering one's standards.

04-20-2009, 11:32 AM	#8 (permalink)
nomcat Twisted Location: UK	I reckon SV650 then... enough power for a good blast, light enough to handle as a first bike, comfy for longer rides, great engine... the v-twin is great fun with good torque! I can't recommend a v-twin enough as a first bike! Inline 4's under 750cc are generally too revvy for my liking. Plus if you fall in love with the SV650 there are LOADS of mods and addons for it. If you wanna go cruiser I'm sure Crompsin will have a few recommendations. Think about it, make a decision, and go for it! Make a good 2nd hand purchase and you can always sell it for the same price you paid... that's what I love about buying 2nd hand. Got to BikePics and have a look at the manufacturers listings... browse a few models and see what you like! They split it up nicely into bike types for each manufacturer. ---------- Post added at 08:32 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:29 PM ---------- Oh and VROOM VROOM!! __________________ There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming.

04-20-2009, 05:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
Cheater Tilted Location: New Jersey	Nice bike, Crompsin! I have to agree with everything you said. My son was looking at the 750 Honda and found the 1100 Shadow Sabre (your bike only in black) and since it matched the bike I had at the time, it was a no brainer, he's thrilled with it. Jimellow, you said you just completed the safety course and are looking for a used bike because you will likely drop it a few times? That scares me. If you completed the course successfully, dropping the bike is something you shouldn't even be thinking about. Start out on the back roads until you are comfortable with the bike, and watch out for the cagers, sometimes they just don't see us on the bikes. I'm not sure where you are in Pennsylvania, but I ride along the Delaware quite often, nice ride. Post a picture of whatever you purchase and I'll be looking for you on the road.

04-20-2009, 07:51 PM	#13 (permalink)
ngdawg peekaboo Location: on the back, bitch	The only reason to buy a used bike the first time out is to see if it's your thing. Some people invest in new ones only to find they didn't like riding as much as they thought they might or were afraid to venture out, etc. And bikes are like boats-you always trade up to bigger. Many dealers have open house weekends or "ride" rallies where you can try out bikes on guided rides. You're under no obligation to buy and it's a great way to get a feel for what you might want. Then go out and buy it used if that's what you want to do. __________________ Don't blame me. I didn't vote for either of'em.

04-20-2009, 09:17 PM	#14 (permalink)
Jimellow Junkie	I've been doing some random Internet wandering and have become intrigued by the dual-sport/enduro bikes. Is anyone else familiar with these types of motorcycle? Skutch's post led me to doing some YouTube video searches, and they do seem like fun bikes. If anyone has model recommendations, or any information about this type of bike, I'd appreciate it as well. One of the guys I work with used to ride a dual sport to work. His shift would end, he would hop on, and be on his way. It seemed like a fun bike, but I live in an urban environment and am not sure I would be able to utilize the other/off-road aspect of the bike as much. I'm kicking myself for not trying out the dual sport that was available at my training course. I'm not sure what it is, but the dual sports do seem like a lot of fun. I was smiling openly while watching the videos on YouTube. For some reason, they remind me of a "pick up and go" bike, which is alluring to me for reasons unknown to me. It's my impression that dual sport/enduro bikes are of the minority in the area I live and am searching listings for, so I'd really appreciate any sort of feedback about the bikes, whether it be in regards to pricing, brand, or recommended engine power. It's possible there are more available than I've seen, and I'm just not using the right search terms or model names, so any assistance would be great. __________________ Desperation is no excuse for lowering one's standards.

04-21-2009, 11:40 AM	#16 (permalink)
Skutch Crazy	Examples of some dual sport bikes: Kawasaki KLR650 Kawasaki Versys Suzuki DR650SE Suzuki DR400Z Suzuki Vstrom 650 Honda XR650L Honda CRF230L These are the mainstream DS bikes. They are basically dirtbikes that are legal for street use...turn signals, brake lights, electric starters (great feature). Some are more street-oriented while some are more dirt-oriented. More street oriented (KLR, DR650, Versys) would mean larger fuel tanks for longer distance touring, street tires, luggage racks, windscreens, less suspension travel. XRs and DRZs are more suited for offroad riding (longer suspension, smaller tanks, knobbier tires, no windscreens) and not very comfortable for long highway miles, but for buzzing around town and daytrips into the countryside they're fine. Parts are cheap and readily available for all the mainstream japanese bikes. They are relatively low tech (with the exception of some of the european makes such as BMW, KTM), but dead reliable and easy to work on. Some engines are water-cooled, some air-cooled. There are large aftermarket options available for most of the japanese bikes (luggage racks, hand warmers, windscreens, engine guards, more comfortable seats, etc). Some have very tall seat heights (XR650L), some low (DR650). Being able to touch the ground flatfoot is a reassuring feature to some, especially riders just starting out. Some people like the feel and handling of a lightweight bike over a heavier one. I have an XR650L, and wouldn't take it on long distance trips anymore. After 100 miles or so on the street, I've had enough. The seat is uncomfortable and the buzzy engine noise and vibration is tiring. I recently rented a Honda Goldwing (a dedicated touring bike) and spent a day on it, and I really appreciated the extra storage space, comfortable seat and riding position, giant windscreen (there is no windblast hitting you) and smooth, quiet engine. I would agree with the others and try to test ride the bikes first. Some dealers allow test rides, some don't. Where I live the city dealerships don't allow test rides, but the ones in more rural areas did. There is a subjective feel to each bike that will help with your decision. I would pass on the new Yamaha VMAX as a first bike as well. It's a land-based fighter jet...

04-21-2009, 11:56 AM	#17 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Location: Seattle, WA	Honda Magna 750 VF is a nice fight in the cruiser/crotch rocket niche. It's got the get-up-and-go of a sport bike (0-60 in 4, redline at 14k) and the relative comfort of a cruiser. I'm 6'6' and 220 lb and I fit on it comfortable. It's been a GREAT first bike for me... I took the class last year too and have about a season and a half so far on it. Only cost me $3400, so you shouldn't have to break the bank. A motorcycle mechanic told me not to get below '90, simply because they're a lot harder for mechanics to work on with so many variations. Motorcycle standardization has come a long way in the last 10-20 years. __________________ "I'm typing on a computer of science, which is being sent by science wires to a little science server where you can access it. I'm not typing on a computer of philosophy or religion or whatever other thing you think can be used to understand the universe because they're a poor substitute in the role of understanding the universe which exists independent from ourselves." - Willravel

04-22-2009, 06:18 AM	#19 (permalink)
nomcat Twisted Location: UK	If you're keen on the more street orientated dual-sports and something a little bigger than those listed, the Yamaha TDM850 or 900 is a cracking bike! It's an inline twin, so it has better power delivery than the big singles. Yamaha TDM850 (1991-2001) - Yamaha Motorcycle Reviews __________________ There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming.

04-22-2009, 09:21 AM	#21 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Location: Seattle, WA	I'm not a fan of DS, particularly because of the tires they usually have. Tires are a pretty part of performance and handling in cars, and this is even more the case when you only have two and you're BALANCING on them. DS with anything close to trail tires or knobby tires scares the hell out of me on streets, and is incredibly dangerous IMO. __________________ "I'm typing on a computer of science, which is being sent by science wires to a little science server where you can access it. I'm not typing on a computer of philosophy or religion or whatever other thing you think can be used to understand the universe because they're a poor substitute in the role of understanding the universe which exists independent from ourselves." - Willravel

04-24-2009, 11:38 AM	#22 (permalink)
percy Addict	I've ridden many bikes in the past and the best advice I can give you is do your research and don't settle for anything that isn't you. I've been looking around for a new bike and am 99.9% sure I have the one. Before I tell you what I am heavily leaning toward, let me tell you how I got there. Wasn't really difficult. When the market basically gives you a choice between a sportsbike and a cruiser, your options are severely limited. Hence, thinking outside the box. A sportbike isn't my thing, period, so that was one option out. The cruisers were ok, but man, everyone and their brother rides one, or option 1. Not much in the sense of individualism. Speaking of, I think a bike should be an extension of yourself. The bike I like is pretty cool, kinda weird and a bit odd. Sums me up in a nutshell. So in the coming weeks I will decide and probably go with something a little out there. Not quite a sportbike, not quite a cruiser in the modern day sense. Something that is just right for me. A Triumph Bonneville. A bit out there but hey, can't say it isn't different from option 1 and option 2.

04-25-2009, 02:11 AM	#23 (permalink)
nomcat Twisted Location: UK	Oh man I LOVE the neo-retro Triumphs!! If I had the money, the Thruxton would be my choice... a bit more poke than the Bonneville. __________________ There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming.

04-30-2009, 05:29 PM	#25 (permalink)
sprintex Upright	hey jimellow, dont touch one of those shit box cruisers, if you like getting down the back roads you will only be dissapointed. rough roads, or even worse, dirt roads will have you cursing the unweildly, bad handling things. Leave the cruisers for the old fuckers and buy a dual sport, you'll never look back

05-01-2009, 08:21 AM	#27 (permalink)
Skutch Crazy	Ive been researching motorcycle rentals around the country and was surprised to find out just how many different companies there are. You can rent just about anything, and late-model to boot: sportbikes, dualsport, motocross/enduro, touring, cruiser. ---------- Post added at 08:21 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:19 AM ---------- So try, before you buy.

05-02-2009, 07:34 AM	#30 (permalink)
Jimellow Junkie	I'm intrigued by the rental option. Are the motorcycle rental businesses generally privately owned, or are there national chains (Hertz/Enterprise, but for bikes) that rent motorcycles? I don't know of any places around here, but I haven't looked that hard. It seems a rental could be a nice way to try out a few different bike styles to help narrow down the type I'd be most interested in. What are the rental rates and terms like? I've not rented a car before, but I would imagine there might be more investment required on the consumer end, as bikes are easier to drop/damage given their exposure to the environment. __________________ Desperation is no excuse for lowering one's standards.

05-02-2009, 08:33 AM	#31 (permalink)
Cheater Tilted Location: New Jersey	Just GOOGLE "motorcycle rentals" and that should answer your questions. And check out the local dealers for those demo rides, you don't have to buy from them, but as long as you seem in interested, I'm sure they will be happy to let you try out whatever you are interested in.

05-03-2009, 09:27 PM	#32 (permalink)
kinsaj Psycho Location: somewhere out there	As far as dealers letting you try bikes out... Around here, that is not the case. Most dealers you go in and ask if you can take one for a quick test ride and they will just say they are in the business of selling bikes, not renting/loaning. Real friendly folks. But they still make money because most people... around here at least... buy bikes on looks, not how they ride. There is at lease one dealer that is very open and well known for letting you test ride with license/insurance, but they are the exception. I guess it does not hurt to ask though. This is southern California BTW __________________ boom

05-08-2009, 09:57 AM	#33 (permalink)
percy Addict	Renting bikes is generally very expensive and if you find a place that will rent, they want a credit card with a minimum few thousand dollar limit available just in case. Then insuring it for the time used. Alot of dealerships won't even let you demo the bike even when you are seriously considering buying unless they know you or have dealt with you before. My advice - do huge amounts of research on what you think you like, then find someone very knowledgeable about bikes to go with you to check it out. Either dealer or private sale bring someone along for guidance

05-16-2009, 09:36 PM	#35 (permalink)
newtx Addict	A midsized metric (Jap) cruiser is hard to beat for a first bike. Stick with a V-twin and if it is running well now it should do so for a long time. Suzuki, Honda, Kawasaski, etc. Midsize being 600-800 or so. Also prime material for a bobber if you are so inclined. Usually dependable and if you run straight pipes sound really nice .