tacobaal

well i have been thinking about this for awhile now, and why is it ok for women / girls to have clubs ect... that guys are no way allowed in, but if a guys group starts every girl wants in/ complains untill they shut it down for being sexist?

Siege

For the exact same reason why when a man talks dirty to a woman, it's called sexual harassment. But if a woman talks dirty to a man, it's $17.95/hour

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Suave

It's because males are considered to be the socially dominant gender. It's the same reason white people can't have "whites only" clubs. When you think about it, it's a bit silly since the very concept of considering them to be the dominant gender or ethnicity (true or not) immediately bolsters that groups position of social power and prevents true equality.

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Cartuni

It’s because when you’re a girl growing up, your brothers/boys always got the cool toys. They got to build their own clubhouse. They got to put up a rope swing over the bayou. They got to start campfires and stay out late. Girls got tea parties, playing house, secret clubs where you talked about boys (but didn’t do anything exciting), and other generally boring activities.

Of course we want into men’s clubs! Of course men don’t care to join ours!! We just know you are doing something exciting in there. And we want to mess it up, just like we used to trash our brother’s clubhouse.

EULA

At my old university, there was a black fraternity and a black sorority. They jointly sponsored a "Miss Black Western" pageant every year. And every year it makes me want to throw up, because no one would even dare starting an all-white fraternity/sorority and then running a "Miss White Western" pageant.

Disk_Pusher

At least those damn women have stayed away from the Masons.

/Angry I can't be a Mason, I have to settle for Eastern Star, what a crock.

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*Nikki*

I think that is a bit of a generalization on your part.

I don't think it is fair to group men and woman into categories and it will lead to a flame war and not an adult discussion.

That being said I am watching to see where this goes, if anywhere.

Gilda

This question would be easier to answer with some specific clubs mentioned. I think in general it's a bad idea to have gender specific clubs unless there is some biological basis for their formation. Ethnic specific clubs aren't really parallel.

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Demeter

I simply assumed it was so we could yak about feminine products & the guys wouldn't be able to post & say...
"Gross! This thread sucks!"

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kutulu

Take Augusta National for example. It's a men's club that has existed for a really long time. They have a nice golf course and it's very elite. Every year when the Masters rolls around there is so much publicity about how wrong it is that they don't allow women. You certainly don't see men forming groups complaining about how it isn't fair they aren't allowed in their exclusive club.

Or, if you want to look at a more accesible place, why is there a Ladies Lounge but no Mens Lounge at the TFP?

Axiom_e

I wanted to say that before, but I bit my tongue.

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Glory's Sun

We've been over the Ladies Lounge way too many times. Get over it already

stevie667

Alas, if your a white male between 18 and 65 you have absoloutly no right whatsoever, neither in this universe or any other, to form any kind of exclusive club that only caters to your particular denomination.

If your black, a woman, yellow, french, a rodent your more than welcome to. Just not if your white and male.


It's a big case of reverse sexism and political correctness. It sucks.

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kutulu

I wasn't saying I have a problem with it, just using it as an example.

However, that is such a typical response. Maybe women should 'get over it already' on the mens clubs issues.

Glory's Sun

I can agree with that.. the world would be a better place if all the PC bullshit was gone anyway.

kutulu

Personally I don't care for the clubs. I wouldn't want to be a member of something that is so snotty and such, but at the same time I don't want to criticize people for wanting to socialize with 'their own'

maleficent

There's a lovely golf course near my home, it's one of the better courses around, challenging without making you wish for the skills of Tiger Woods. However, the clubhouse bars women from being allowed in the bar. Why is it that I am allowed to play golf there, which costs me money, but I am not allowed to enter the bar area. I don't play at a cheaper rate then the men do, it is solely my gender that keeps me out. I won't play at that course anymore.

The University Club in NYC at one point had a no women in the lounge area rule. As a female, I paid the same membership dues as the men did, but I wasn't allowed the same rights as the men were, and it wasn't l ike the men were running around nekkid. My membership was cancelled pretty quickly and i haven't looked at it since.

There are very few places where men are not allowed to go (and I'm not talking women's dressing rooms, or restrooms) There are very few women only places. There are still a few single sex colleges, and are slowly becoming co-ed, for financial reasons, I think it was Mills College in California, that accepted a male because he took them to court... but otherwise there are very few men who would fight to do something that is a women's only domain.

When Anika Sorenstan (or whatever her name was) tried to play on the Men's PGA tour, she did quite well, but didn't makethe cut, I heard a lot of guys saying well, you don't see men fussing to play on the LPGA tours -- how many men would hold their heads high and say that ooooh I went all the way to the supreme court to play with the girls... Doubt it would happen, why? Because the perception is to play with the boys is a step up... it's making the girls more competive.. .but for a boy to willingly play with the girls -- well there's something wrong with him.. that he's not trying very hard...

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stevie667

I agree completly with that point. I'm not sure if it has any context to anything i'm trying to argue, but i still agree with the point.

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maleficent

How about the point being this... that, at one point, the perception was that it was a good thing to be a white male, that white males had all the advantages (white males may not agree with that, but at one point it was true) Women and minorities didn't have the right to vote or own property until pretty recently.

That playing in the same league as a white male was considered an achievement. A white male wouldn't consider it an achievement to play on a women's league.

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stevie667

Ahhh, ok.

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maleficent

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His club didnt last long

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