GraveTaker

I'm not exactly sure if this goes here but whatever, anyways my friend drives a modified car and was at a red light and when the light turned green, he had a lead foot and stomped on the gas. by the time he got to the other side of the intersection, a police officer (pig) pulled him over for speeding and told my friend that he caught him doing 160km/h on the radar meanwhile my friend was only in 2nd gear and that gear cannot hit 160, he was actually doing 80km/h and gave him a $960 ticket with 6 points and 1 year suppession.
I told my friend that he should've asked to see the radar but he said that he was scared and forgot to. The cop was also giving him problems with his car saying that some parts were illegal meanwhile infact they are completely legal parts.
I also drive a modified car and in 1 week i got pulled over twice, once was because my friend and i were driving around (not breaking any laws or speeding), i was infront of him and all of a sudden some idiot in a car flew by us but the 2 cruisers that saw this let him go and came up behind US and pulled us over. The Sergant mister big shot came up to me and said that he thought we were "racing" and asked me if we were, i told him no and said how come the person not too far up ahead wasn't pulled over. He just looked at me and walked away. Then he searched my car for illegal parts which i don't have on my car. Clearly he was just trying to bust our balls because we had nice rides. The second time i got pulled over was legitimate and my mistake, when i got my car i didn't notice that the signal lights were actually blue and so i got a $110 ticket for having illegal blue flashing lights which are suppose to be for snow vehicles only which the charge was taken down and i gave the dealership some shit for it which they apologized and changed the lights for free... that had nothing to do with this thread....
If any of you guys have any pig stories like this spill it....

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Arroe

Well, your friend gunned it infront of a cop. It's his own fault he got that ticket, there's no need for reckless driving on public streets, it's dangerous, there are other people are driving too.

I hope you were well aware when you bought your riced out car that you were a flashing light for cops...

nowthen

i would assume his problem with you is not that you have a "nice ride", more the fact that the police regularly have to clean up the result of fast and furious wannabes wrapping their "nice rides" around property or innocent bystanders.

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nowthen

and may i add, you use of the word "pig" only stands to reinforce and justify your well reasoned and mature argument.

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Master_Shake

Oh please, the traffic laws in this country (US) are not designed to promote safety but rather to raise revenue and control people. Speeding is not an inherently dangerous activity! Driving drunk or stupid is, but speeding is not.

The best way to stick it to the man in these situations is to fight the ticket as hard as you can in court. Yes it will cost you money, and you'll probably lose, but as long as the man can make money off tickets he will continue to issue them. Only when enough people jam up the court system fighting these bullshit charges will the man stop to reconsider. I know it's a tough call to make sometimes, that's why cops often lower the speeding charge to a lesser charge (failure to obey traffic control device anyone?), because they know you are less likely to fight the lower charge. That equals money in their pocket. Traffic citations justify a whole ridculous judicial system that only exists to perpetuate itself. Traffic safety is not an issue! If the government gave a shit about safety (and really believed that speeding was dangerous) they would require governors to be installed on all cars. That they don't means either:

a. They recognize that there is no causitive link between speeding and harm, and want the revenue such citations bring in, or

b. They actually want you to die.

Before this gets too hateful please understand that I am sure there are some great cops out there who hold high ideals and uphold the law, doing their very best to protect and serve.

But there are also some real scumbags out there. We've all seen COPS! on TV where the cops are shown in a positive light, but there are other videos out there, that will never appear on television. I remember seeing one during a poli-sci course in college. Internal Affairs had hidden a camera in an interrogation room to watch the cops question people. The shit these cops pulled, not just physical abuse (although there was plenty of that) but serious intimidation.

"Confess, or we'll arrest your mother." I remember seeing that and just thinking, what a fucking scumbag to threaten this schmuck's mother. I admit I don't know if the suspect was in on kiddie porn or drug smuggling or whatever, but that is still an incredibly uncool way to treat people.

There are just as many fucking assholes in the police department as there are anywhere else, wearing a badge doesn't make them moral and right.

Anyway, sorry about the rant. And before you ask, yes, I got a speeding citation once in the past that suspended my license for a month and I am still bitter about it.

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El Kaz

While I agree with other psoters that you kinda played with fire there, I also wonder where's the sense of justice.
If your friend was recklessly driving in a public street, he should have been charged for that, NOT for a speed he didn't do or illegal parts that were legal (IF indeed those parts were legal.. you weren't very detailed there).

Playing with fire doesn't justify ANY punishment, I don't think it's justified to say "Well you played dumb, so you derved it"

Carno

If there is one thing I have learned from dealing with cops, is to always defend yourself (if you're in the right), and always, always, ALWAYS get their badge number. Many times cops only scribble on the tickets so that you can't read anything, so always ask to see their badge and write the numbers down. And when you do that, let LEO know that you plan to complain to their superior.

And always be courteous. How is it going to look when they watch the tape from the police cruiser and you're acting like a prick? If you are courteous and polite, you will have a much better case in court.

And if you get physically harrassed, sue the pants off of them.

And if you go to court, ALWAYS DRESS NICELY.

EDIT: oh yeah, and recognize that if you're in a neon colored car that sounds like a weed eater, you're a huge bulls eye. So always go the speed limit. Your friend is a dumbass for driving like that when he is driving a car that screams, "PULL ME OVER!"

GraveTaker

yes i was well aware of everything and my friend doesn't drive like that all of the time as i also don't drive like a idiot how someone said "whiping around bystandards" i was just driving like a normal person when the other person should've gotten pulled over because he was doing at least 30km over the speed limit and yet i was the one who got pulled over for nothing because the stupid cop thought that i was "racing" meanwhile doing the speed limit....hhhhhmmmm....let me think about that one....

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flstf

I remember reading a book a while back written by a highway patrolman. He said that the highway patrolmen are like predators and we are the prey. And just like predators they will go after the easiest targets. That explains why when a group of cars are speeding they don't necessarily go after the worse offender but the easiest target.

Among some of the tips he gave was to find out when the shift change was in your area since most of them tried to meet their quota during the first part of their shift so they could take it easy for the remainder. He also said that no matter what they say there is a quota, if you don't give enough tickets you will hear about it from your superiors.

Needless to say, spinning out in front of one of these guys is almost surely going to get their attention.

MSD

So your friend got up to almost 50 mph (80km/h) in the time it took him to cross an intersection? If nothing else that's reckless endangerment. You should know better than to do stupid shit in front of cops.

On the other hand, I firmly believe that the vast majority of speeding tickets are useless for anything other than revenue enhancement, and would like to offer a suggestion. The K40 radar detector and laser jammers can save you from a lot of highway tickets. http://www.k40.com/Products/Radar/Un...ualRemote.html If it's legal in your local area, the site lists local shops that can install it for you. Expect to spend $300-400 for the front/rear laser jammer and radar detector setup.

GraveTaker

i know that he was being reckless and an idiot and yes i agree with u in that part but i'm looking at the moral of how the cop was trying to make him lose his license and charge him unfairly....oh by the way the speed limit in that zone was 70km/h so my friend was only going over by 10km which is what everyone does in that area anyways....but i just thought that it was really unfair how the cop was trying to charge him for doing 160km.

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kurty[B]

My recent cop fun, was a cop who saw me doing doughnuts in an empty icy parking lot. I saw him, and immediately stopped, and rolled down my window. He stormed up to my window and said "Do you want to lose your license today?"

I said "How?"

"That's an exhibition of speed I can give you a 12 point ticket?"

While handing my information to the officer, "Exhibition of speed for doing 10mph in an abandoned parking lot?"

He didn't say anything, stormed back to his patrol car. After 15 minutes he slowly walked back to my door, and handed me the ticket, "I'm being nice on you and just giving you a 4 point Careless Driving ticket". I'll accept that, I'll still fight it in court, but not as adamently as a 12 point Exhibition of Speed.

I wished the cop well in saving the world that day and went my way.

Sadly, I've delt with enough cops to know that having your information easily accessible and ready before they even get to your door, and politely questioning them when they say something ridiculous to start the accusations (POLITE, not SNIDE!). Know your rights!! If they ask to search your vehicle, know if you have the right to deny them or not, and demand they show a warrant if they persist. Save the snide remarks for after they have given you your "punishment", or keep them to yourself completely.

And lastly, become friends with a middle-aged single lawyer who considers taking him to Hooters for some pitchers and hotwings every so often good enough as payment to represent you for these silly traffic violations.

Oh, one last thing, tell your friend if he wants to have a lead foot at a light make it one on a drag strip. In my town it's getting to the point where it seems there's a cop at every intersection, and I'm amazed at the amount of younger drivers I hear while eating out on a Saturday night who say "Oh, it's time to go race on (Main Strip of town)!"

Journeyman

I slammed my first car into a retaining wall and sent my best friend to the hospital for nine days with a supposed eight-inch hole ripped into his diaphragm. Speeding on the highway at midnight with no one around, and I took a soft curve too fast.

I've never gotten a speeding ticket in my life, nor have I driven drunk or high, but I learned. And I hope you never have to learn it like I did.

Willravel

"Speeding is not an inherently dangerous activity!"
Does anyone want proof of this? Go to Germany. Enjoy the Autobahn. After paying out of my nose for a license, I was able to rent a BMW and drive it. I still to this day never pass on the right. Ever. I did see a few Porsches and Mercs pass me at brake-neck speeds. BTW, Germany has the safest highway system in the world.

-Journeyman: First off, that sucks. Auto accedents can be the most frightening experience of your life. I'm sorry you have to go through that. Speed isn't to blame in your instance, though. It shouds like you were just a little inexperienced to me (certianally not your fault).

Boo

People actually practice their driving skills while on the autobahn. No cell phones, coffee cups, hamburgers etc... It is serious driving for serious people. When there is an accident, it is pretty henious.

Driving a modified car can lead to high insurance rates, license suspension due to vehicle profiling. Police officers get briefed on items to focus on while on watch. If you give them a reason to stop you, they will, and warnings are not likely to happen. It is like wearing a sign that says "Hit Me" and complaining when you get punched.

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Harshaw

There is a huge difference between speeding on a freeway and speeding in a downtown area (somewhere with traffic lights). I was nearly hit last night by someone speeding through a traffic light. If that light changes faster than you can brake, or if someone pulls out of a blind interesection or driveway, you can have a really shitty day from that point on.

Thats not to say speeding on the freeway is safe either. If you are going much faster than the flow of traffic and for some reason someone pulls into your lane, it's going to be that much harder to stop in time and not cause an accident or multiple accidents.

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soccerchamp76

Imagine if you were a police officer. Your job is to "protect and serve" and your life is always in jeapardy every day of your job. Now, while on duty, you have a riced out car gun it in front of you. You pull him over. What is wrong about that?

We have a guy who thought a cop was an asshole simply because he is reinforcing the rules about spinning your car around in an ICY parking lot. Would if he lost control and went onto the street?

All you gotta do is FOLLOW THE RULES. If you do not like getting speeding tickets, do not speed, or move to Germany and drive the autobahn. The "man" will not change and you will always get speeding tickets. Cops are not assholes. You are probably the asshole to the cop as you fall into the category of the ricer who thinks cops are against him and all cops are pigs.
Just chill out and obey the laws.

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amonkie

There's a lot of issues that have been brought up in this thread, but something to think about:

1) Speed Limits are posted for a reason. Sure, you friend was ONLY going 10 over, and I can understand how you feel the officer was not justified for quoting a largely different speed than what your friend says he was going, but the point is, he was still speeding . The speed limits are *supposed* to help keep driving safer by making the speeds match the driving conditions.

2) When you drive a car that draws attention, both good and bad, you bring a lot more scrutiny, even if you're not doing anything wrong. If you can't handle the responsibility and attention, then change the paint of your car, take the wing off, take the stickers off. Blend in.

3) I'm friends with several police officers, and the reason they took their job in the first place is because they care about people and want to make a difference. From what they've told me, In their mind, this is how the equation looks: a) He can give you a ticket, which you're not happy about, but will maybe make you think twice about doing the activity that caused the ticket or b) he can not give you the ticket, but then may have to deal with something much more tragic and costly if there's an accident, and people get hurt. $100 vs somone losing a life, car getting totaled. So while the tickets may be bringing in revenue, see that revenue as the price to pay for staying alive as you drive on the roads. At least that's how I see it.

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dobster

As Arroe said, there are other people on the road. Throwing televisions out of a forty storey building is not dangerous either, as long as no one is standing underneath, but why would you take the risk of someone suddenly appearing "from nowehere" on the sidewalk. There is no way on earth that a speeding driver can anticipate every move every other driver is going to make. And don't rule out pedestrians either. No one can be sure that there won't be someone crossing the road ahead. Children don't know how to aniticipate lunacy.

And it doesn't matter how competent you think you are, speed limits are set to allow for any possiblity, to give you time to stop and to avoid hazards and to stop you causing danger to others, even if they have put themselves unwittingly in your path.

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GraveTaker

Even though i said that our cars are modified, it doesn't mean that we are all flashy with decals, wings, body kits, wtc.... we only have engine work, lowering kits and rims and tires..... sorry i probably should've said that in the beginning....

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soccerchamp76

This does not matter. A cop can spot a ricer from far away and they know what they like to do...speed. The cops do not make the laws, they do not interpret the laws, they enforce them. If you are unsatisfied with the current judicial system, either move, or talk to your legislator.

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The_wall

In the words of Jay and Silent Bob; fuck the police, fuck fuck fuck the police, yeah yeah fuck the police, fuck fuck fuck the police, yeah fuck em.

I live in a town with such a low crime rate and such a big police force. A cops job is basically handing out tickets and fucking with people in the town I live in, it sucks. Then I go into providence or a town with more crime and cops are actually going after criminals, its a wierd change.

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Boo

There are many towns where people would love to have your "problem". Having too many police officers is a rare "problem" indeed.

If you give a police officer a reason to give you a ticket and they do, where does the fault lie? Traffic laws are in place to promote safety. Giving a person a ticket enables the law enforcement (and insurance companies) people a method of tracking a person that commits unsafe acts. When you lose too many points, then you will get the option of riding a bike or walking. Yes, it is true, "The Man" is out to get you.

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Master_Shake

Nonsense, speed limits are supposed to raise revenues. I noticed you put supposed in quotation marks. There's a reason you felt compelled to do that, you know it's bullshit.

I'm sure such people exist. But can you really deny that there are also cops who look to bust chops and require people to respect their authority? I don't know what the ratio of good cops to scumbags is, but to deny that either group exists is naive.

Dude, that was NWA as quoted by Jay and Silent Bob.

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monkeysugar

Tickets get handed out when a law is broken. Criminals are people who break the law. The police officers in your town who are handing out tickets are, in fact, going after criminals. Personally I'd rather live in a town with lots of police officers and low crime rates than high crime rates and not enough police officers. Besides...if you're not doing anything wrong, there really should not be any reason for concern.

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frogza

I'd take an overzealous police force over the lazy one we've got here. Recently an underage girl drove through the window at a convenience store my brother was working at. She had open beer cans and pot in her truck. The police arrived, looked over the scene and told my brother and his manager that since the store and parking lot were private property they couldn't do anything about it and left. The girl got off with a "Drive more carefully"

The_wall

Lol yeah people who go 35 in a 25 are criminals, give me a break poeple. Cops are douche bags in my town, they absolutely nothing to do so they give poeple tickets. Have any of you guys every tried going 25 mph down a perfectly straight road about a mile long down a hill. I should also note they go around harassing kids in our town. One time some of my friends and myself were playing hacky sack in a parking lot outside a laundry mat at around 10 or 11 at night when a cop stops and searches us for hand guns. We don't have a god damn hand gun problem in our town so why should we get fucked around with for doing nothing. His excuse was they had heard guns going off the nights before, this was a day or 2 after the 4th of july.

Edit: I should note that not all the cops are assholes, some of them don't care about kids smoking a joint at the park or a house party with a bunch of college kids, but most do. I find the older a cop gets the cooler he is.

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I've noticed an attitude a lot of people have about cops: Never close by when you need them, always too close when you don't want to see them.

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Rlyss

Put your car in the right gear so you don't have to ride your breaks too much and you're set. It's not too hard to keep to the speed limit, is it?

Xenomorph

The car you drive is probably just as big a factor in your getting or not getting pulled over as your road behavior.

Drive something inconspicuous. Low-class, but safe. Well-maintained, but without any obvious major alteration. Maybe a ding or two on the hood, trunk or along the side, but no windows or doors that have been smashed into inoperation. Nothing that obviously just rolled off the production line, but nothing that's clearly 40 years old either. Clean it up as much as you want, but a washing every 2 or 3 months is plenty.

It won't save you if you race through a major road, but it'll help get you looked over when the cop glances to his radar indicator and you're the 40th car to pass him by. It's more time efficient for them to pick off people who they can stick with an illegal part or a road-unsafe car in addition to the speeding ticket they can put on anyone they want to.

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Master_Shake

I don't think anyone is disputing this, what I and others are disputing is the justification for those laws. Certainly you admit there are unjust laws, yes? In some states, having oral sex is illegal, and such people are criminals. But that doesn't mean there's something morally wrong with breaking that law. Most laws, like traffic laws, are not crimes of morality, they are laws of order and control. It's all a question of how much you want to be controlled by the man.

If it meant cops busting in doors and violating civil rights under the pretense of enforcing the law, then I would rather live in the high crime area.

Wow, that sounds exactly like the justification every authoritarian asshole uses for his behaviour. The problem is that in such a state, you are always doing something wrong. Driving to work there is almost certainly something you did wrong that would justify a ticket from a cop. Did you drive a few mph over the speed limit at any time? Did you fail to use a blinker when you changed lanes? Is there something wrong with your car like a broken taillight, license plate light, etc? Did you cross the fog line or ever stray out of your lane during your trip? If you did any of these things, you are a criminal. Personally, I don't think it's important to police such activities. We spend far too much on such ineffectual law enforcement anyway and miss the bigger pictures. Put those monies and resources to better use.

Of course, I'm not advocating anarchy on the streets. If someone drives like an obnoxious goon, knocking people off the road, and causing a big mess, then yes, he should be stopped and cited. But simple speeding should not be sufficient justification.

Yeah, overzealous police forces, that's just what we need. Do you know how many rapes, assaults and the like aren't reported because of overzealous cops? Many people are afraid to come forward if they've got something to hide from the police.

I don't know what the cops deal was here. Most likely the girl was the daughter of somebody important (i.e. mayor or fellow cop), which only goes to prove how biased and ridiculous cops really are.

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Um my car is automatic, so I don't know how to manually change the gear, but I'm calling bullshit on you if you really expect me to believe you obide by speed limits.

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Bill O'Rights

Note that on your shifter you have P, R, N D, 2 and 1. If you can shift from P to R, and from R to D, then you can shift into 2 or 1. Also, why would you call bullshit on driving the speed limit? I drive the posted speed limit. I've been driving since before many of you were born, so my skills are a little more honed. Those limits are in place for a reason. They allow for reaction time. The posted speed limit in my neighborhood is 25. With the kids that play in my neighborhood, you bet your sweet ass we take that limit very seriously.

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Bill O'Rights

amonkie put the word supposed surrounded by asterisks, not quotation marks. Thus giving the word emphasis. much as supposed, or even supposed. Regardless, posted speed limits, contrary to what you may believe, are not, as you say, bullshit. They are there to protect others from lead footed NASCAR, and Fast and Furious, wannabes. So, unless you have the reaction time of Jeff Gordon, and drive only in a small, confined oval area, then I suggest that you obey the posted speed limit. Otherwise, the cops are gonna do what I pay them to do. Keep buttwipes, that think they're indestructible and above the law, off the roads.

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Rekna

Ohh a bitch about cops doing their job thread let me try!

I once was going 65 in a 25 (just came off a highway into a small town and missed the sign) the cop gave me a ticket for 4 over! That bastard!

Once I was going 80 in a 65 and the cop wrote me a ticket for 15 over! That bastard!

Once when I was a kid I stole some candy from a store and the cops arrested me. Those bastards!

Ok i guess that's all I got.

Now I don't speed, I've leared to obey the law. Those cops did nothing wrong. Those of you who bitch about getting tickets for doing illegal things are just be obtuse. Don't speed and you won't get the tickets.

The_wall

Bill O'Rights you're old so I expect you to drive the speed limit or lower and I also suspect you shouldn't be driving j/k of coarse

But seriously I don't know anyone who drives the speed limit on most roads. I mean of coarse when driving in a neighborhood with lots of kids and houses everywhere I'll go slow (but oh how tempted I get to run the little shits over, man I hate those kinds of neighborhoods) But I'm talking about a speed limit of 25mph on roads where its absolutely rediculous. Hell I see cops driving 35 or faster on these roads, no joke. Surely cops aren't above the law.

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Cynthetiq

I'm sorry... but you all are missing an important piece to the puzzle of law enforcement.

Sometimes its the small laws that get the BIGGER busts. Many drug mules, murders, robbers, have been caught but simple things like no current registration stickers.

Heck, Joel Rifkin one of the worst mass murderers was caught because he had a broken tail light.

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Master_Shake

My mistake about the quotations/asterisks, I must have read it wrong.

If speed limits are really there to protect people, why doesn't the government require manufacturers to install governors on automobiles, preventing them from exceeding 65 mph?
The reason is that the cops, and the judicial system by extension, want you to speed. They intentionally create zones with low speed limits to raise revenue.

I submit that the reason he lowered the speed was to prevent you from fighting the ticket. If you fought it, the ticket would have cost more to him and the podunk town to convict you than if you just paid the fine.
And surely you don't think you're experiences are typical of everyone's? You must recognize that sometimes cops act like scumbags. I'm not saying they all do, I'm sure there are some decent ones; but there are also scumbag cops who enjoy punishing others, hurting them, and acting like scumbags. Whether it's sticking a plunger in a man's anus in NYC or firebombing a neighborhood in Philly, cops have done uncool shit, and they will continue to do so. Why create laws that enable them to harass you and investigate you?

Great, so the man has pounded you down and controls one more part of your life. Hey, don't get me wrong, I now obey the law too. I learned a long time ago that it's very difficult to beat the man at his own game. But that doesn't mean I applaud the man for doing his bullshit job and hurting other people.

And the fact that the cops were just following orders is no excuse. If cops enforce bullshit laws then they are bullshit cops. I have no respect for unthinking automatons who do just what they are told.

Unless you're a minority and the cops are assholes who don't like the look on your face. Then you might get a plunger in your anus, or they'll firebomb your neighborhood.

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After that last post i'm beginning to think this thread should be moved to tilted paranioa