Cynthetiq

Master Shake...

You take the cake.

Remember the Officers of Law are there to enforce the laws... the Judges are there to interpret them, NOT the other way around.

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Bill O'Rights

Because the interstate speed limit in Nebraska is 75mph.

True. So do accountants, fast food cashiers, truck drivers, along with any other group, or sub-group imaginable. Some people are asses. it matters little what they do for a living.

I guess because I present no reason to be harassed, or investigated. I want laws that protect me, my family, my neighbors and my friends from the lowest common denominators of society.

A.) "The Man" (who is that anyway?) has not pounded anyone down. Believe it or not, there are people that just want to get along in life, as friction free as possible.
B.)What game are you trying to beat "The Man" (who is this "man"?) at?
C.) Police work is not a bullshit job. We pay these men a pittance to put thier lives on the line everyday, to do a job that I was no longer willing to do (yes, I was a cop...a long time ago)

The cops are enforcing the law. That is what I pay them to do. Period. If a law is "bullshit", then lobby to have that law changed. Thumbing your nose at the world is likely to get you little more than just a bloodied nose.

You seem to have a chip on your shoulder, as it regards the police. I'm not going to pretend to know why, nor even to try to understand it. One thing that does concern me though, is that you take relatively obscure examples of the worst actions that a sworn police officer can take, and attempt to coat an entire profession with isolated incidents.

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Tusko

i witnessed a pretty cool thing not too long ago.


so we're taking a bit road trip, there's a bunch of us, 2 in the front, 4 piled in the back (i think there might have only been 2 rear seatbelts too)

and we're burning a few (a lot...) and whatnot, and we come to a RIDE patrol. mind you, this is a monday night (i think it was a monday) out in nowhere, not near a holiday. fairly busy street though, as it connects two main-ish country highways.


so, we roll down the windows, crank the air and we pull up to the cop. smoke still pouring out the windows...


older guy, bearded.

typical RIDE questions, but he had a very serious tone. and then he brings up the pot. we're all "shit... busted"

but, he waves us through (he noted that we were lucky we didnt get a younger cop, as they might just tear the car apart, and find something unfortunate) and told us to have a nice night.


he lowered his voice too, which i though was cool and kinda leaned into the car. i guess we didnt want to let anyone else see him let a bunch of stoned and driving while smoking teens get off so easy.

plus he said "marijuana", and pronounce the "j", and as soon as he said that, we all sort of breathed a sigh of relief in our heads. saying that, he sounded much cooler.


but here's the cool part. well, sort of.

there were still lots of cars being stopped (well every car) and the full RIDE thing going through.

so it was a case of: he could stop us, search us, charge us etc. etc. which would take a long time, and back up traffic for a long long way, or let us through and worry about the drunk drivers.

anyway.... carry on

Rlyss

Like Bill said, you've got more than 'Stop' and 'Go' on your automatic car, you've got the option to change gears to suit the conditions. When you put it in Drive it's best suited for average conditions, where there's a range of ups and downs, so the car goes through the motions by itself. And I don't want to sound like an asshole here, but I don't think you can call bullshit on me obeying the speed limits when you don't actually know what your own car is capable of. I've only been driving for three years, I'm only 21, but I've never been arrested, ticketed, pulled over, warned, and I've never put a single scratch on my car. I know that three years without any problems isn't a world record but nevertheless I'm still proud of it and I attribute it to paying attention, expecting other drivers to be insane and being prepared for it, and watching my speed. I'll go with the flow of traffic if they're all under the limit, but if they're all over then I'll stay at the limit.

As for why the manufacturers don't install speed limiters on their cars, I'd respond with 'Why does someone else have to keep you in check?' My oven can go up to a trillion degrees and my stereo can go up to volume 30, but I don't push it that hard because it's dangerous and unecessary. The option is there but it's my responsibility to use them responsibly, and when it comes to driving that is according to what the law says is resonsible, not what my little rebellious streak says is appropriate. So if I think I can go 80kph and the sign says 60kph, then I practice a little self control and go 60kph. Easy.

Edit: and rune, if you've never seen Super Troopers, do yourself a favor and rent it 'Littering and... littering and... littering and...'

The_wall

Wow we have the only 2 people in the world who go by speed limits who aren't drunk or stoned out of their mind. Ok so maybe you go the speed limit, but I'd bet 95% of drivers don't, you can't say 95% of people who drive are criminals, including cops who enforce the laws. Hell I see cops break more traffic laws then I see citizens breaking them.

Edit: oh btw I've been driving for close to 3 years myself, and I've gotten 0 tickets and got into 1 minor accident which wasn't my fault at all, and it happend to be a friend who reared into me so no insurance or cops were even involved. You don't need to go the speed limit to react quickly enough to avoid accidents, you need to pay attention to the road is all.

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Kid_Karysma

I don't understand how people can hate cops so much. I really don't.

I rarely, rarely speed. I always use my signals. I have never been pulled over and, therefore, never have had a ticket.

Follow traffic laws and you won't have a problem.

And speed limits are for safety. Think about school zones, residential areas, and downtown areas. And it's been proven many times that the faster someone drives the more likely it is they will get in an accident.

Driving is one of the activities where everyone thinks they are above average.

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Ishmal

that is y u dun understand...

i'm still on my 2 year probationary license, and because of that alot of cops c the "P" plate and pull u ova. so i know alot of them can b asses, thinkin they r top shit.


neway, continue with the discussion... i just felt i had to comment on that.

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slimshaydee

Actually in Australia, particularly in the state where Rlyss and I are from, 90-95% go at or below the speed limit even though they are generally set too low. You can get a ticket for going 3kph (yes thats <2mph) over the limit and there are mobile speed cameras all over the place that will take your photo and send you a fine a month later ($128 for <10kph (6mph)) over the speed limit and alot worse for anything higher. I have a radar detector turned on most of the time, but I still go the speed limit because that's what the flow of traffic is doing.

fluster

Police have a tough job. Seeing as they spend the majority of their time dealing with people that are doing something wrong, any tolerance they may have started out with has probably long worn off. They would hear so much crap that I find it hard to believe that they can start every confrontation(which is what it often is) with an open and fair mind.

Having said that, you would have to be blind to not see how much speed enforcement is really just one big cash cow.

I also live in Australia and am astounded by how many speed cameras, radar traps etc. are used here. There are more of these than there are drink driving tests performed each year. Doesn't that say something? And the speed cameras here are mounted in vehicles that have to be monitored by an officer. So we have one cop, wasting hours on end sitting in a vehicle on the side of the road. Couldn't these people be better utilised? Solving crimes, doing neighborhood patrols etc!

It must frustrate them as well. Governments dictate what is required and they have to enforce it.

And for those of you that are pointing the finger and saying it's the original poster's own fault for driving a "riced" car. Does he not have the right to drive a legal, modified vehicle? Does he not have the right to be treated fairly, honestly and equally?

Just because someone drives a nice car doesn't mean they are automatically law breakers. Kind of like how just because someone is a cop doesn't mean they are automatically a wanker.

soccerchamp76

Think of the situation as if you were a police officer.
You pull people over everyday and get to hear people's bullshit excuses as to why they had the right to enfanger other people's lives and speed. The laws are put their for a purpose. You know the laws, so why blatantly violate them? Use your turn signals always, and drive under 7mph over the speed limit (which is almost always the threshold for speeding). Speed limit is 60mph, and you are going 67mph, 98% of cops will not pull you over. Cops ARE NOT assholes, they just deal with assholes every day.

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Rlyss

Cheers slimshaydee, I didn't even think to mention that in my opinion people don't generally drive over the limit. Like fluster also said, we've got an astounding number of speed cameras here and while many get fined for speeding, if the limit is 60kph the flow of traffic is generally just that. Maybe in some parts of the US it is different but here you're likely going to stand out like a sore thumb if you're going over.

As for driving a rice car, I sit on the fence. On the one hand if the car has no illegal modifications then it shouldn't be treated any different to a regular family station wagon. But on the other hand, as shitty as it may be, if you dress like a millionaire and stand alone in alley on the wrong side of the tracks, or if you dress in more makeup than clothes and stand on a street corner at the end of that alleyway, don't be surprised at the type of attention you get. Both ways of dressing are perfectly legal but if you stand out, you stand out, and you attract certain people or attention because of how you appear. Good or bad, it's the way it is.

ShaniFaye

I think its sad there are people out there driving cars who dont know how to change the gears on an automatic....jesus christ.

Lump me in the with BOR...I drive the speed limit....I dont drive if I've had more than one glass of wine and havent driven stoned since I was a teenager. Guess what....I have no cop stories and nothing to bitch about either.

well thats not true....I did get a ticket many years ago for getting in a turn lane to early, and I did, there was a broken down travel trailer in my lane and I was going to be turning anyway, so I went around it in the turn lane...my fault...thats illegal and I knew it. Politely accepted the ticket, went to court, explained the situation and was exonerated.

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The_wall

None of you have responded to the fact that I see cops breaking these retarded traffic laws you guys love so much. I'll see a cop speed down a slow road with his or her lights on and pass everyone in traffic, then when they get to the front they turn the lights off and just go back to a normal speed, I've seen cops run red lights, run stop signs and pull some straight up retarded moves on the road. If I'm gonna get these stupid tickets (luckily I havn't yet) then I hope I can be a civilian police and ticket the pigs in my town.

Until cops stop giving people bullshit for speeding, or partying or doing drugs or whatever else none crimes they give people shit for and actually concentrate there effort on the real criminals, I won't have much respect for the cops, in fact I disrespect cops.

Again not all cops are bad, but too many of them are for me to like the cops at all.

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nowthen

the nation have laws, the police enforce those laws. so to a police officer, a crime is a crime, whether it be speeding or shooting. in both cases they have to enforce the law against this activity which by the laws of the society are deemed illegal.

are you too fucking doped up and stupid to see that if a police officer starts to define what is and is not illegal, we will all be a lot worse off?

What if a guy raped your mother, but, oh guess what, the guy is the investigating officers friend... so, oh, well, its just bending the rules isnt it, not a "real" crime....

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soccerchamp76

People generally have one bad experience with a police officer and then forever label them as pigs. If you see a cop run a red light with his lights on, report his license plate number, or car number to the local police station and tell his superior.

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Rekna

How do you know the cops who did this didn't have a legitimate reason to do this?

The_wall

What would be a ligitimate reason to get to the head of traffic and then slow down to about the speed of traffic? The legitimate reason would be to catch the big bad criminal who was going 40 in a 25, on a road in which everyone goes at least 30, many go as fast as 45 on it.

And Nowthen I'm not sure who you're comments were dirrected at but personal insults aren't tolerated on this board.

I don't want cops not enforcing good laws, and in fact speed laws aren't really a bad thing, they are just too low and it gives cops an easy excuse to pull someone over and dick around with them, and these people are usually not bad people, and imo shouldn't have to pay a fine of which is a whole one of my paychecks and could hurt more then you guys might know.

One time I was driving home at 2 or 3am and I see a cop, so I slow down to about 30 in a 25, there was no point in trying to go 25 because it would be obvious I slammed my breaks to avoid being pulled over, so the cop follows me and pulls me over. He says he pulled me over because the light on my back lisence plate was out. He checks my lisence, comes back and tells me I'm free to go, doesn't even tell me to fix the light. It's little things like that which piss me off. Sure I didn't get in any trouble, but I don't want to have to deal with police who see a teenaged kid and assume he's probably drunk, so he just comes up with some bullshit reason to pull me over and check up on me.

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Rekna

Well a legitimate reason could be a need to get closer to a crime scene fast but not loud so they don't alert the criminals.

Rlyss

But weren't you still speeding? 30 in a 25 zone is speeding, right? And isn't it a requirement that you have working lights on your car, including the licence plate light? Now I admit that if he pulled you over for speeding then he should have told you that, so perhaps he didn't even notice, but I"d have thought that the busted light was enough? And once he's told you that it's out I wouldn't think he'd have to say 'Fix it', perhaps that's more courtesy.

The cops assigned to investigate murders and rapists do their jobs and the cops assigned to traffic duty do theirs.

The_wall

It was quite obvious to me he didn't really pull me over because my light was out, he pulled me over to check up on me. I'm done with this thread, the topic is getting old, you'll always defend the cops, I'll always hate cops that enforce imo stupid laws.

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fhqwhgads

As many of you know, I am a cop... or a pig, "the man", corrupt... whatever else you want to call me. I have resisted posting in this thread because I take all this shit personally, but I feel the need to respond.

First, The_wall, in reference to your question: Many times when there is a "hot call", a call that requires lights and sirens, dispatch will send several cars to the scene. Once the first car gets there and determines that whatever is going on does not need an emergency response, he or she will advise the other cars to slow their response, or to disregard responding completely. In those times, I'll be running with lights and sirens to a call, and when I'm told to disregard, I'll shut off my emergency equipment and return to regular patrol.

Now, in reference to those who say that I write tickets for revenue reasons, I say "Kiss my ass." I have no quotas, no expectations, and nothing happens to me if I write one ticket or if I write one hundred tickets. I don't see any extra cash in the paycheck if I write you a ticket, if I write you a warning, or if I cut you lose with a verbal warning. So now the question is: why do you write tickets. I write tickets because I honestly believe that speed limits are there for a reason. An accident at 25mph and an accident at 40mph are entirely different. I've studied the physics behind vehicle accidents and the speeds at which they occur. Whether or not you agree is trivial. The government has set the speed limit, and they've told me that part of my duty is to enforce it.

For every person that complains that we have better things to do than to set up "speed traps", there is a person who is complaining about the cars that are racing up and down their streets. For every person that complains that we speed as we drive down the street, there are people who complain that it took us 20 minutes to respond when they called us. For every person who complains about us doing whatever, there are people who complain that we aren't doing enough of it. There would be no way to do my job effectively and please everyone who thinks they know how to do my job better than I do. Everyone has their view of how law enforcement should behave, and quite often it is the people who get caught doing what they shouldn't be doing that have the loudest voice of all.

To those who support us, I thank you.

slimshaydee

fhqwhgads thanks for the insight. Every group of people no matter how you divide them will always have their assholes and cops would be no exception from this. However just because you may get a few asshole cops doesn't mean all cops are, that's just like saying you had one boss who abused his power and is an asshole and therefore all bosses are going to abuse their power and be assholes. I was at a pub a few weeks ago talking to a few cops who had just rocked up to break up a fight and they weren't assholes out to get me and throw me in jail. They were nice people.

ShaniFaye

fhqwhgads I can honestly say that even if I dont agree with a cop I always show him as much respect as I can if I am in a situation where I have to deal with one, you guys put your life on the line every single day for the community and if nothing else THAT in and of itself DESERVES my respect.

There are cops that get killed helping stranded motorists by stupid drivers who thought nothing of some laws, because in their opinion they were stupid, there are cops that get killed going after the so called "real criminals, such as Officer Christopher Ruse, who was killed December 29th after a high speed chase led to a shootout, this was a man that had retired from one department and was talked into joining another smaller one
http://www.11alive.com/news/news_art...?storyid=56952

Cops do and see things that most of the "public" doesnt know about

I will never understand why people get aggravated with cops for enforcing a law, it doesnt matter if THEY think its stupid or not

/end rambling cause Im pissed off about some comments

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Master_Shake

!!! So you mean it's possible that people can disagree about what the maximum speed one drives should be! I think this proves my point exactly, and only goes to show how ridiculous and arbitrary most speed limits are.

I have tried to continually point out that I'm sure there are some good cops out there. But there are also some scumbags. And when you give a group of people power over you I think it's best to a) limit the number of scumbags who have the power, and b) limit the power the scumbags have. Those laws you treasure that are so well-enforced by Joe Friday are peverted by others.

I guess I should have been more clear, writing parking or speeding tickets is a bullshit job. Sure, enforcing laws against terrorism and murder are important jobs and I'm glad someone does them.

And again, please don't misunderstand me, I am not going to start a revolution. I recognize my limitations and see that I don't control the world. I'm not trying to encourage people to break the law by speeding. I'm just writing out my thoughts and feelings. We should all obey the law and do as we are told, there's no real alternative anyway. But it doesn't mean I have to like it.

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Bill O'Rights

I don't think that it's all that arbitrary. Let's face it...there's a huge difference in driving Nebraska's long, straight stretch of I-80, with the next set of tail light literaly miles ahead, than say...oh, Pennsylvania's twisty windy assed stretch of the same I-80. Different conditions call for different speed limits.

See...I don't see it as a "bullshit" job. We, as a society, need men and women who are thick skinned enough (thanks, fhqwhgads) to do this thankless, abuse generating, job. Without them, people are going to drive 45 in a 25, which is the speed limit in a residential area, by the way. People are going to park in the fire lane at your local grocery store. If some cops are assholes, and there most certainly are some, then I submit that it's because they themselves are surrounded by nothing but the bottom of societys barrell, day in, and day out. You do that for a few years and see if you don't get a little jaded and disgusted with the world.

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Cynthetiq

::claps::

thanks. another example is Parking enforcement people you'll say that's for revenue genrating also, sure but when 3 cars double park after 2 others are standing or parked when there's no parking during rush hour, it can cause needless time delays and accidents.

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taylorspl

Me going 10 MPH over the speed limit is safer than 80% of the people in my area driving at or under the speed limit. People mistake driving for a right, which it isn't. If drivers licenses were more difficult and time consuming to get then the roads wouldn't need policing for simple things like speeding, its that simple.

joemc91

I've noticed that in the real rural areas you get speed limits that make no sense. For instance at school there is a street that is "two" (three actually with the third hatched off) lanes wide that is really the same width as a two lane highway. It is perfectly straight for two miles with no residential areas on either side except for the last tenth of a mile. These residential areas are college apartment complexes, no one lives or goes near the street except when on the sidewalk, and even that is rare. The speed limit is set at a staggering 30mph! At home in MA the speed limit on Rt. 44 through residential areas while being only two lanes wide is 50mph. This makes a lot more sense than the 30mph speed limit.

I've read a bunch of articles on roadway construction and generally engineers say the speed limit should be set to the 85 percentile. They measure the speeds of people driving the road without a speed limit and set the limit to the speed that 85 percent of the people go slower than. These speed limits are almost never actually seen on roadways because the town sets them arbitrarily low. Now, in a neighborhood or a college campus I will not go over the limit because I can't stop fast enough.

Consider this, in New York and Boston the speed limit on busy downtown roads is 30mph. Yet in the downtown of little midwestern cities it's 20mph. Are the pedestrians stupid here or are the drivers worse? Also consider the speed limits on highways and the speed people actually drive on the highways in urban areas. On my way into Boston yesterday I was going 80mph and getting passed. If I went the speed limit (55mph) I would have been rear ended. No officer would dare pull someone over on that road unless they were driving recklessly, in which case I fully agree with them.

In any case, every time I've gotten a ticket I deserved it and haven't had a problem with any police. My problem is mostly with towns that treat tickets and speed limits as a way to make money and not as a way to make the roads safer. Case in point: New Rome. There are dozens of towns like this all around the US and generally situated in a rural area.

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Master_Shake

This is apparently where you and I disagree. As long as the guy driving 45 in a 25 isn't hitting anybody, what's the problem? Once he does hit someone, I agree, the police should be called, but until the point that people are harming each other, just let them be.

Fair enough, but if I get jaded and disgusted with the world, the worst I can do is vent on the internet. Cops carry guns, and they have the authority to do a lot worse.

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slimshaydee

The point is if something happens you are less likely to be able to avoid the situation at that speed. If a kid runs out and you are going 45 in a 25 zone you have alot less chance to stop/avoid the kid. The police don't want everyone going at 30mph over the speed limit because it means more accidents...and who has to do all the cleaning up after carnage...the police are deffinately involved in that. The police are there to protect and serve...they want to protect your life, so they set and enforce speed limits (sometimes a little too low though) to reduce the chances of you killing yourself on the roads.

ShaniFaye

As a parent, Im of the mindset that I want anyone who drives thru a residential neighborhood faster than 25 (which is most of the the posted limit) to fry long and slow. Its a good thing Im not a cop cause I wouldnt be able to not choke the life out of someone who hit a person, child or adult, going over the speed limit because they thought what was posted was "stupid"

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Rekna

Ever notice how everyone always thinks they are the best driver in the world and everyone else sucks?

How about you remove the plank from your own eye before you point out the spec in your neighboors eye?

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Let me be the first to say thank you

Boo

Remember that 25 is only the posted limit. With any posted limit you have to remember to drive according to road conditions. If there are children in the area, you may want to slow to a crawl. If you are in such a hurry that you feel a need to speed, learn to plan ahead.

Endangering or killing someones child because you believe a law to be stupid makes absolutely no sense.

There is a time and place for everything. I hope people learn to calculate the risks involved while driving and make an informed decision. Truthfully, I see no benefit in addressing all the immature statements in this thread. Many fellow TFPers have diligently tried.

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Rlyss

Can't you see how this argument simply doesn't hold water? The speed limits, road rules, all sorts of restrictions are there to prevent bad things from happening in the first place. The point is that we don't want people to get hit, we don't want people to get harmed in the first place. I'm amazed that you can think that nothing should happen until people get hurt. Isn't that too late?

pinoychink790

maybe master shake was joking or something, but you do have a good point

Master_Shake

OK, and if I kill a kid through my own negligence I should be punished for it, I'm not arguing that point.

Just stop that propaganda nonsense now. The police are there to protect property and enforce policy.

Again, I disagree as to why the speed limits are there in the first place. The goal of these laws is not to protect people, but rather to control people.

Certainly the government could do a better job of protecting people if everyone were put in airtight cages and monitored constantly by video cameras, yet we don't do that because we all (I hope) recognize that as being too intrusive. What you're really talking about is what level of control you are willing to be under in exchange for what level of protection.

I don't want people to be harmed, usually, but I also don't want someone telling me what to do; especially when that someone imposes arbitrary, ridiculous rules on my behaviours. The process of establishing speed limits should go like this: can you tell me how many people would die if the speed limits were removed? Once we determine that number we can compare it to other levels of risk we deem acceptable and see if the restrictions on our actions justify the control. You seem to think that the government has the right to restrict any behaviour that poses any risk to anybody else. I disagree with that contention, only when a substantial risk of harm to others is shown should the government take action.

Instead, the speed limits, and other arbitrary laws, in the US are usually established as attempts to generate revenue and/or protect corporate assets. While you may be happy to take direction from faceless authority based on suspicious reasoning, I am not.

Too late for what? Perhaps if we had psychics who could predict the future then we might be able to prevent anybody from ever harming other people. Until that point, we have to rely on statistics and risk assessment. At this point in time, I do not think the risk of harm in speeding or double parking outweighs the enormous societal cost of staffing and maintaining police officers, meter maids, support personell, and all the other parts of the judicial system that deal with these low level crimes.

As a society we perform this cost benefit analysis all the time (see the cost of installing seat belts on school buses versus the risk of harm to students on school buses). I suppose my view is just skewed away from the allowing the man more access to my business.

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nowthen

yeah dude, speed limits are ALL about control, the "man" loves it when he gets you to crawl along at 30 mph instead of 100 mph, all part of the "man" breaking YOU down.

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Master_Shake

I see I haven't done a very good job of making my ideas clear at all.

The man doesn't love it when you crawl along at 30 instead of 100.

Rather, the man loves it when you go 100 in a 30, because then
1) the cops have an excuse to exercise their authority over you, justifying the law enforcement industry,
2) you are put in your place, subservient to others' control, and
3) a) you pay a hefty fine which helps support the entire judicial industry or b) you go to prison and serve as slave labour or c) you go to prison and serve as an example to others that it's best to do what you are told and d) your incarceration helps justify the correctional industry.

If you disagree, perhaps you would care to explain what you think speed limits are ALL about.

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You know something, I don't think the sun even... exists... in this place. 'Cause I've been up for hours, and hours, and hours, and the night never ends here.