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dalnet22 · 06-20-2004, 09:21 AM

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Originally posted by Rdr4evr
So your going to kill yourself? Is that what your trying to say?

Who knows. Realistically I'm already dead...

whocarz · 06-21-2004, 10:27 AM

That's a crock of bullshit. Dead people can't post on forums. Atleast I seriously hope not. Ok, now I'm starting to get creeped out.

Seriously dude, there's no reason to get this worked up over some broad. Plenty of fish in the sea, you know.

dalnet22 · 06-21-2004, 10:31 AM

Ok then find a way to stop my mind from thinking constantly about somebody I don't want to think about. I try telling myself how bad she is so maybe it'd get me to forget. But nothing works. There's nothing I can do to stop the pain.

whocarz · 06-21-2004, 10:32 AM

Ok, what was your relationship with this girl. I need more info before I can give you any relevant advice.

dalnet22 · 06-21-2004, 02:13 PM

I can't go into detail in a forum about the relationship. I've tried this before and people end up just saying I have to forget her and move on... but it's not just some regular girl you meet. If you really want to help I suppose I'll give it a shot but I don't expect your advice to be any more helpful than the other people who've tried. Again, I won't talk about it here so you'll have to find another way of discussing it.

In fact, she's really a very small part of the actual problem. It's not like I wanna kill myself cause I can't be with her. That's not the main issue.

whocarz · 06-21-2004, 11:15 PM

PM me with the details. Maybe I can help.

dylanmarsh · 06-25-2004, 08:33 AM

Did anyone see Larry King Live last night? Bill Clinton was on there discussing his own depression and how his life has been dramatically affected by depression. I guess he has known 3 or 4 people who have committed suicide and were very close to him. Clinton actually seemed to have some humanistic qualities, which is something I would never say about a politician.

oane · 06-26-2004, 09:57 AM

jgp · 06-29-2004, 09:51 AM

Depression is a very debilitating medical condition. Depression and its associated symmptoms constitute 5 out of the top 10 most commons reasons of work absences. Needless to say, to the person suffering the problem, it's far worse than just financial loss. There are several common symptoms of depression, sleep disturbances, loss of interest, feelings of guilt, loss of energy and fatigue, difficulty concentrating, appetite changes, suicidal ideation, and psychomotor retardation. However, in order to be clinically depressed, one has to have several of these symptoms for a period of at least 2 weeks straight. Needless to say, not all would fit into this category, and not all seriously depressed people actually have some or all of these symptoms. Like all screeing tests, this test also has it's limitations.
Depression has been a rather taboo subject in the past. People attributed it to being weak-minded, and thought of it more as a character flaw. However, we now know much more about the physiology of the underlying disorder. ALthough the precise mechanism is still unknown, most experts think it has to do with the neurotransmitter dysfunction in the brain, a chemical imbalance. That's is why most drug therapies taget neurotransmitters such as seretonin, dopamine, and modulate their levels. However, although these medications are very effective and have rather well tolerated side effects, they are not for everybody, nor do they work on everyone. In refractory cases, other therapies and options are available. However, one much first get an accurate diagnosis of their problem. Most psychiatrists are capable of coming up with tentative diagnosis and plans. For all of you who have tried numerous different classes of medications without avail, here are some thing to consider. Most antidepressents don't work immediately, and usually take 3-6 weeks to begin working. You don't feel instant releif as you do with other medications, thus many people believe their medications don't work. In this case the most important thing is to be patient as the newer antidepressents are very effective. However, if you have tried numerous medications of different classes, being compliant with dosing and still feel depressed, I would suggest going further. Cognitive behavioral therapy is highly effective, specially when used in conjuction with antidepressents. Other options include support groups. In severe cases of depression, one can also be treated with Electro convulsive therapy. This may seem rather brutal, but it works very well in refractory cases. However, before you are convinced about being depressed, go see an interneist, and make sure that you do not have some other underlying medical condition. Medical conditions such as hypothyroidism can result in severe depression, and can be easily treated with thyroid hormone supplements. Best of luck to everybody.

dalnet22 · 06-29-2004, 09:56 AM

There's no way I'm going to go get help. I'm good at lying about where I'm going for the night so I could say I'm going to a friend's house and then go to the doctor, but how do I lie about a bill for therapy or medicine...

I can't.

jgp · 06-29-2004, 03:31 PM

Why lie about it? Would you have to lie if you were to break a leg, or have other "medical problems?"

pinkie · 07-01-2004, 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by noahfor
I really don't trust in counseling or doctors. I can't imagine talking to someone ever making me feel better, when I have nothing to feel bad about. I've been to therapy, and I hate it. I have a very hard time talking to people in person. I think running is my best bet, but right now my emotions are so turbulent because I'm quitting the medication and smoking. I had planned to quit at different times because I thought it might be too much at once, but quitting the meds gave me the strength to quit smoking I think. I need to wait until I level off.

I don't mean to pry but if I were you, I’d strongly consider counseling. You sound like you have some resentment, trust and forgiveness issues. Those feed off of anger, which you seem to be boiling over with. The extreme isolation you feel, and the judgements you make on others, are tools you may have used for protection as a child, but will only bring you discontentment in your life as an adult now. I understand you not wanting to take meds, but there really is something to be said for therapy. I’m not sure why you have an aversion to counseling, but anything from your past should not influence the healthy, productive decisions you make for yourself today. Shopping around for the right help might be in order, but never give up. Once you find the right one, you can really amaze yourself! Just remember, counseling, psychiatry, psychologists, and therapists, are all tools for us to use to better ourselves. They’re not there to scrutinize, they’re there to help us, help ourselves. Exercise is wonderful, but will not cure you of working through important issues concerning your psychological and emotional well being.

Needing help understanding why we do the things we do is nothing to be ashamed of, and self-awareness is one of the most important gifts of life.

dalnet22 · 07-01-2004, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jgp
Why lie about it? Would you have to lie if you were to break a leg, or have other "medical problems?"

Technically, I already am lying about a broken leg. I have a stress fracture in my ankle but I honestly just don't care to tell anyone about it. It's not bad on advil; it only hurts at the end of the night.

skullfunk · 07-15-2004, 08:04 PM

I recently realized that I was depressed (did anyone else take three or more years to realize this?) and went to seek help. I went to counseling, but it didn't help because I didn't know HOW to get helped. Believe me, help is not something you receive, it is something you create, usually with outside assistance.

After giving up on the first counselor and the medication that was prescribed, I felt even worse than before and started wondering if admitting to my parents (and no one else, not even best friends) that I was depressed gave me a license to "act" depressed. This, of course was not so.

I eventually learned that depression is not so much a disease as a behavior--a cognitive distortion of reality. After seeking professional help a second time, as well as laying things out completely with my mother, (my confidant--who is yours?) I was finally on the right track. I took out a book that was highly recommended--"FEELING GOOD, by David Burns and things really started to improve. I then started reading religious material-Buddhism, Christianity, Taoism. Although I am very anti-religion, I found something good in it all. After reading about Buddhism, I started meditation, which led to yoga. The stretching really improves my bloodflow and consequently my psyche. And I also have returned to my medication.

If this sounds like a lot, it is. If there's one thing I would recommend to everyone it's getting a copy of the "Feeling Good Handbook". It is without a doubt the most important element of my recovery. I guess my sanity is what you would call high maintenance, but so are high-performance cars. I have realized through this episode that communication and mental perception are the greatest tools to getting you on the right track. And everyone-I repeat-EVERYONE-can start feeling better in weeks if they start tackling their issues today.

Dalnet, I want to say specifically to you, as a hopeless romantic myself, that one crush is not worth a life. Do you think no one would care? I don't even know you and I care. I, too, tend to idealize girls I meet. You can't always get what you most desire, but life is like that. Please keep an open dialogue with us so that we can share your grief.

06-21-2004, 10:27 AM	#42 (permalink)
whocarz Jarhead Location: Colorado	That's a crock of bullshit. Dead people can't post on forums. Atleast I seriously hope not. Ok, now I'm starting to get creeped out. Seriously dude, there's no reason to get this worked up over some broad. Plenty of fish in the sea, you know. __________________ If there exists anything mightier than destiny, then it is the courage to face destiny unflinchingly. -Geibel Despise not death, but welcome it, for nature wills it like all else. -Marcus Aurelius Come on, you sons of bitches! Do you want to live forever? -GySgt. Daniel J. "Dan" Daly

06-21-2004, 10:32 AM	#44 (permalink)
whocarz Jarhead Location: Colorado	Ok, what was your relationship with this girl. I need more info before I can give you any relevant advice. __________________ If there exists anything mightier than destiny, then it is the courage to face destiny unflinchingly. -Geibel Despise not death, but welcome it, for nature wills it like all else. -Marcus Aurelius Come on, you sons of bitches! Do you want to live forever? -GySgt. Daniel J. "Dan" Daly

06-21-2004, 11:15 PM	#46 (permalink)
whocarz Jarhead Location: Colorado	PM me with the details. Maybe I can help. __________________ If there exists anything mightier than destiny, then it is the courage to face destiny unflinchingly. -Geibel Despise not death, but welcome it, for nature wills it like all else. -Marcus Aurelius Come on, you sons of bitches! Do you want to live forever? -GySgt. Daniel J. "Dan" Daly

06-26-2004, 09:57 AM	#48 (permalink)
oane Insane	. __________________ Make me Mad. Make me Sad. Make me feel Alright. Last edited by oane; 06-26-2004 at 10:38 AM..

06-29-2004, 09:51 AM	#49 (permalink)
jgp Upright	Depression is a very debilitating medical condition. Depression and its associated symmptoms constitute 5 out of the top 10 most commons reasons of work absences. Needless to say, to the person suffering the problem, it's far worse than just financial loss. There are several common symptoms of depression, sleep disturbances, loss of interest, feelings of guilt, loss of energy and fatigue, difficulty concentrating, appetite changes, suicidal ideation, and psychomotor retardation. However, in order to be clinically depressed, one has to have several of these symptoms for a period of at least 2 weeks straight. Needless to say, not all would fit into this category, and not all seriously depressed people actually have some or all of these symptoms. Like all screeing tests, this test also has it's limitations. Depression has been a rather taboo subject in the past. People attributed it to being weak-minded, and thought of it more as a character flaw. However, we now know much more about the physiology of the underlying disorder. ALthough the precise mechanism is still unknown, most experts think it has to do with the neurotransmitter dysfunction in the brain, a chemical imbalance. That's is why most drug therapies taget neurotransmitters such as seretonin, dopamine, and modulate their levels. However, although these medications are very effective and have rather well tolerated side effects, they are not for everybody, nor do they work on everyone. In refractory cases, other therapies and options are available. However, one much first get an accurate diagnosis of their problem. Most psychiatrists are capable of coming up with tentative diagnosis and plans. For all of you who have tried numerous different classes of medications without avail, here are some thing to consider. Most antidepressents don't work immediately, and usually take 3-6 weeks to begin working. You don't feel instant releif as you do with other medications, thus many people believe their medications don't work. In this case the most important thing is to be patient as the newer antidepressents are very effective. However, if you have tried numerous medications of different classes, being compliant with dosing and still feel depressed, I would suggest going further. Cognitive behavioral therapy is highly effective, specially when used in conjuction with antidepressents. Other options include support groups. In severe cases of depression, one can also be treated with Electro convulsive therapy. This may seem rather brutal, but it works very well in refractory cases. However, before you are convinced about being depressed, go see an interneist, and make sure that you do not have some other underlying medical condition. Medical conditions such as hypothyroidism can result in severe depression, and can be easily treated with thyroid hormone supplements. Best of luck to everybody. __________________ liz

06-21-2004, 10:31 AM	#43 (permalink)
dalnet22 Crazy	Ok then find a way to stop my mind from thinking constantly about somebody I don't want to think about. I try telling myself how bad she is so maybe it'd get me to forget. But nothing works. There's nothing I can do to stop the pain.

06-21-2004, 02:13 PM	#45 (permalink)
dalnet22 Crazy	I can't go into detail in a forum about the relationship. I've tried this before and people end up just saying I have to forget her and move on... but it's not just some regular girl you meet. If you really want to help I suppose I'll give it a shot but I don't expect your advice to be any more helpful than the other people who've tried. Again, I won't talk about it here so you'll have to find another way of discussing it. In fact, she's really a very small part of the actual problem. It's not like I wanna kill myself cause I can't be with her. That's not the main issue.

06-25-2004, 08:33 AM	#47 (permalink)
dylanmarsh Sleepy Head	Did anyone see Larry King Live last night? Bill Clinton was on there discussing his own depression and how his life has been dramatically affected by depression. I guess he has known 3 or 4 people who have committed suicide and were very close to him. Clinton actually seemed to have some humanistic qualities, which is something I would never say about a politician.

06-29-2004, 09:56 AM	#50 (permalink)
dalnet22 Crazy	There's no way I'm going to go get help. I'm good at lying about where I'm going for the night so I could say I'm going to a friend's house and then go to the doctor, but how do I lie about a bill for therapy or medicine... I can't.

06-29-2004, 03:31 PM	#51 (permalink)
jgp Upright	Why lie about it? Would you have to lie if you were to break a leg, or have other "medical problems?" __________________ liz

07-15-2004, 08:04 PM	#54 (permalink)
skullfunk Upright Location: Michigan	I recently realized that I was depressed (did anyone else take three or more years to realize this?) and went to seek help. I went to counseling, but it didn't help because I didn't know HOW to get helped. Believe me, help is not something you receive, it is something you create, usually with outside assistance. After giving up on the first counselor and the medication that was prescribed, I felt even worse than before and started wondering if admitting to my parents (and no one else, not even best friends) that I was depressed gave me a license to "act" depressed. This, of course was not so. I eventually learned that depression is not so much a disease as a behavior--a cognitive distortion of reality. After seeking professional help a second time, as well as laying things out completely with my mother, (my confidant--who is yours?) I was finally on the right track. I took out a book that was highly recommended--"FEELING GOOD, by David Burns and things really started to improve. I then started reading religious material-Buddhism, Christianity, Taoism. Although I am very anti-religion, I found something good in it all. After reading about Buddhism, I started meditation, which led to yoga. The stretching really improves my bloodflow and consequently my psyche. And I also have returned to my medication. If this sounds like a lot, it is. If there's one thing I would recommend to everyone it's getting a copy of the "Feeling Good Handbook". It is without a doubt the most important element of my recovery. I guess my sanity is what you would call high maintenance, but so are high-performance cars. I have realized through this episode that communication and mental perception are the greatest tools to getting you on the right track. And everyone-I repeat-EVERYONE-can start feeling better in weeks if they start tackling their issues today. Dalnet, I want to say specifically to you, as a hopeless romantic myself, that one crush is not worth a life. Do you think no one would care? I don't even know you and I care. I, too, tend to idealize girls I meet. You can't always get what you most desire, but life is like that. Please keep an open dialogue with us so that we can share your grief.