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02-13-2010, 09:32 PM | #43 (permalink) | ||
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No I would not agree with them if that happened. I'd probably get in their face about that, or possibly even hit them right there without hesitation. "Thems is fighting words." Also, how does everyone here feel about the zero tolerance policy some schools have? In my opinion, I think it screws the victim over and promotes bullying.
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02-13-2010, 10:34 PM | #44 (permalink) |
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NOTE: Any kids out here that found this thread because of Google or whatever, shooting up your school isn't going to do shit (other than make you into the news of the day to distract people from what's really going on in the world). Odds are you won't get to everyone on your list and you won't be defending other kids from bullying. The real kicker is that you won't even feel that satisfaction you think you'll feel when you open fire. In other words, nothing you want it to do will happen and you'll die disappointed in yourself. It will be a complete failure and then you'll die.
If you really went to get out of your rut, you need allies... scratch that, you need objective allies, people that won't just give you blanket support but that can really give you outside insight into what you're going through. This is one reason licensed therapists exist, but if you don't have access, these people can be found elsewhere (parent, clergy, teacher, etc.). You need a social structure in place from which you can draw strength. Fortunately, even if this person or these persons aren't perfect at helping you, just being engaged will help you. On top of this, school is not the only place to make friends for kids. I made a ton of friends doing martial arts when I was a teenager. The same is true of lots of things: sports teams, music, a job, etc. If school isn't a good social outlet, nothing's stopping you from finding another one. You're never, ever alone. There will always be folks out there who will be willing to help you. If you're ever feeling like your fuse is about to go off or you're at wit's end, PM me and I can put you in contact with someone who can help. /threadjack |
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02-14-2010, 11:56 AM | #46 (permalink) |
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Of course not. The reason I posted my "note is I realized when I was reading your post people that already have the idea of a school shooting in their head have that idea reinforced whenever they read, hear or see that someone else had the same idea. It can give a fledgeling idea legitimacy. This is an idea which cannot be legitimized.
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02-14-2010, 12:41 PM | #47 (permalink) |
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Will, How would you go about providing some of these resources mentioned above to stop the bullying? It seems that the bureaucracy of the school administration would get in the way of effective counselling and teaching the skill sets to the children?
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02-14-2010, 01:01 PM | #48 (permalink) |
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Parents are always going to be the biggest influence on younger children, so it would make sense to implement teaching the social perceptiveness by helping parents understand the above.
That said, some schools are incredibly adept at teaching things like this. Before getting her doctorate, my mother (licensed psychologist) worked for a local school district with a program called "Second Step" where a trained, licensed psychologist is hired on via grant to work with young children at a school or district to help them develop conflict resolution, impulse control, and empathy training (along with recognizing emotional states through nonverbal cues, which ties directly into the article I posted before). By my understanding, it was a massive success until they ran out of funding. Programs like this pop up all over the US. I get the feeling if they were nationalized, we'd see a massive drop off in bullying. |
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These are school kids. An ass kicking does not a mob hit make. Oh, and I wasn't bullied. Well, I was but by the teachers. We all had less than 2 hours a week to misbehave so meh ... |
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02-15-2010, 08:40 AM | #51 (permalink) | |
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Really, someone saying mean things hurts you that much? I'm sorry, but you must be a severely tortured human being. My philosophy has always been: "Arguing with an idiot is like wrestling with a pig. You both get muddy, and the pig likes it." Agreeing with whatever the idiot says does two things. It shortens an otherwise tiresome argument, and it confuses the dumbass. It has always worked for me. One way or the other he shuts up, and the fight happens or it doesn't. It usually doesn't.
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02-15-2010, 01:07 PM | #52 (permalink) |
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Gnarly. This thread has been successful derailed by floating concepts like "honor" and "what's right" and "the law." We live in a "pussy-ass world" with Zero Tolerance policies, therapy for kids who don't like school, and victim labeling. As kids, if we're not made bitches by our peers, we're made bitches by the system that we've charged with protecting us. Last edited by Plan9; 02-15-2010 at 02:23 PM.. |
02-15-2010, 02:13 PM | #53 (permalink) |
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I think I understand the philosophy of defusing the situation by playing along or agreeing with the bully...but I don't know, sometimes I think you just have to make your stand or nobody is going to respect you. Honestly I can't get down on somebody who does what they need to do to get through the day, but I would think it would just make you feel worse about yourself in the end.
Obviously everyone's experience is unique and everyone handles something like this in their own way, but I think sometimes a broken nose and few swallowed teeth is just what the situation calls for.
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02-15-2010, 02:58 PM | #54 (permalink) |
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If I'm bullying you and you fight back we're both suspended from school and a mark is put on our school record. Just for the sake of pragmatism, it makes sense to tackle the issue of bullying from the prevention side. I'm not saying you should stand there and take the beating, I'm saying steps can be taken before the first punch to prevent the whole situation.
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02-15-2010, 03:24 PM | #55 (permalink) | |
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On the other hand, there is something to be said about being assertive. If people see you as weak and unwilling to defend yourself the bullying itself may escalate because they see you as an easy target. Perhaps a kid standing up for himself the very first time (and taking an unfair punishment in the process) might save himself years of bullying. I guess the way you handle it really it depends in the situation at hand and the dynamics involved more then anything else.
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02-16-2010, 11:01 AM | #56 (permalink) |
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Then go join a MMA gym, come to think of it, I got the advice to agree with bullies from a MA teacher. He was a pretty cool dude. Wish I could have afforded his classes.
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02-16-2010, 11:47 AM | #57 (permalink) |
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When I was a kid I used biting wit and never backed down. Luckily I could bluff my way out of anything and never once got into a fight. The closest I came was two separate times, but the same thing happened, some punk tried to bully me, I verbally castrated them, they punched me in the face and I just smiled and verbally abused them some more (while moving forward). They never messed with me again. It was like middle school, so one punch didn't even draw blood, so no harm done.
Then in high school when fights got a lot more dangerous and I had to deal with gangs I got into martial arts and learned the "calm deadly stare" which hasn't failed me yet. I was even attacked once, I just stood there, easily blocked every blow effortlessly, was fucking ninja ;P Not to paint a picture that it was all peaches and cream. I was still really afraid many times through high school that more than one person would seriously jump me. Once I got into martial arts I knew I could take two, maybe 3 if they were dumb, but not an entire group, especially if they pulled a weapon (there were race-gang fights going on.) One of my friends got badly beaten once by one of these gangs, totally at random. So I was bullied, just not directly, if that makes sense. Last edited by Zeraph; 02-16-2010 at 11:49 AM.. |
02-16-2010, 01:22 PM | #58 (permalink) |
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maybe i'm older than most folks here then, because my highschool didn't have a zero tolerance policy. I also grew up in a really small podunk town of 3,000. I was bullied by alot of kids because of my height. After my freshman year of just dealing with it, the sophomore year got harder.....and a bit more physical. Taunting and name calling escalated to bumping, pushing, and alot of chest thumping antagonizing trying to provoke the first punch so the fist fight could occur. Well one day it did, and I guess that the jocks got a bit more than they were ready for. I wasn't some kick ass martial artist who ended up beating the basketball team, hell, I didn't even beat the guy that was starting it. But by throwing all caution to the wind and not caring that there were 2 teachers already in the gym, I let loose on him. It was enough to gain a bit of respect, in at least enough to stop the bullying. We didn't become best buds or anything, but I never had to deal with their bullying anymore. I learned then, that you stand up for yourself, no matter what and to hell with fighting fair. Most bullies only understand two things....fear and power.
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02-17-2010, 04:21 PM | #59 (permalink) |
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My family nicknamed me bone-rack as a kid so to say I was bullied would be an under statement!
I also went to 3 different public schools and 4 high schools because my mom kept buying new houses before she realized the issue was not the house but the husband and divorced my step father. Each year meant new bullies being the new skinny kid. In grade nine I transferred to a hilly billy school out in the sticks when my mom went through a farm house crazy. It was scary. But I owe a lot to that hilly billy school. First day of classes in grade nine a kid behind me started flicking my ear and talking trash to me. He was way bigger than me, asking me questions, teasing me and generally being a bully. I lost it and told him to stop, he said that he would kick my ass after school and everyone in class was cheering and carrying on. Realizing that no teachers would be around after school I decided I might as well fight then and just slugged him in the face. After wrestling and more punches we ended up in the principals office and friends for life! I did learn a valuable lesson that day that helped with my next 3 high schools. If I stood up to the bully they usually stopped. All talk and no action, but just in case either learn to punch, take a punch or run like hell, all three preferably! Too this day I realize that most people are more bark than bite, but I'd never fight anyone now unless I was attacked. I am too pretty for prison. Plus words hurt more than a fist can any day. Now don't most schools have very strict rules for this stuff? I see the commercials on tv all the time. Here is a local one I see all the time. |
02-19-2010, 04:27 PM | #60 (permalink) |
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I wouldnt say I was ever bullied seriously really.
I did get called names sometimes, over my weight, and I reacted at times by laughing it off or just agreeing with whatever insult got thrown my way, and at time with violence or by gettin g upset. I do remember at age 10 the head mistress of my school called me a "fat slob" in front of the whole school and I got teased quite a bit over it and used to get upset and hit people who called me it until I figured out he best way to stop it was just to shrug and smile and agree I was fat... but I wouldnt call it bullying. One time a group of kids started dancing round me in a circle chanting "fattie, fat slob" and I lost it and threw one of them into a wall and he had to go to hospital.... so that kid might now as a grown up look back and think of me as a bully, I dont know. When I got to High School I remember on my second day (age 11) a 16 year old tried to take money off me and I hit him but he obviously overpowered me and wound up tying me by my necktie to a fence and hitting me, but he also never tried to take money off me again. I did grass him up and he got in trouble and I also called him a cunt to his face and told him he wouldnt have fuck all off me and he never picked on me again. By age 14/15 I was 13 stone and I guess people didnt start on me because I was big. _ Anyway, I guess the best way to deal with bullies is stand up to them. I know its easier said then done though.
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