01-12-2010, 02:47 PM | #41 (permalink) | |
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The effort now expended on ""cultural awareness" suggests to me that "dehumanization of the other" might be an unintended side effect that the military is trying to treat. (Again, I don't know if this "dehumanizing the other" is a side effect or if it is, whether or not it is pervasive). |
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01-12-2010, 03:20 PM | #42 (permalink) | ||
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Location: Lafayette, CO
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I mentioned earlier that dehumanizing is a natural reaction to combat. There's really no way to train around this, as it's just the way your mind overcomes that natural aversion to killing another human being. This same thing happens when someone is put into a dehumanizing situation, like a prison, and also can't be trained around (at least not IMO). Given enough time and control over another person, the guard can stop looking at the prisoner as a person at all. The key to preventing this is good leadership at all levels, which the Abu Ghraib guards had none of. The Stanford Prison Experiment in 1971 really shows what happens when good people are put into certain situations. Quote:
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01-18-2010, 01:17 AM | #43 (permalink) | |
Oh dear God he breeded
Location: Arizona
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Now, as for the rest of the "he's done more for the US then you have" crap, sounds like he's just a fucking dick. Now, I'll heard people say that anyone who joins the military is murdering scum and comments like that, and I'll gladly tell everyone of them to go suck a dick and burn in hell, but on the flip side, anyone who tried to act like they are better then others just because they joined can also suck a dick an burn in hell. Everyone has their own reasons for joining, and having worked in crypto, I've met some of the smartest people I've ever known while I was in the navy. I've also met some of the dumbest people I've ever know. The military is like a concentrated version of the US, but really, no dumber or smarter the the civilian world.
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01-18-2010, 08:26 AM | #44 (permalink) |
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[QUOTE=Slims;2747152]Deference...None
As far as your buddies outlook is concerned: 1. You do seem to be a pussy. That was my first reaction as well... overall, the opinions your friends military friend made about the Hadjis seemed inmature. I like to treat everyone with a certain amount of respect and try and give a bit of deference to most new people I meet.. especially when I don't know what I'm talking about.. and depending on the situation of course. Sounds like alot of painting with a broad brush on both sides of the conversation which resulted in your broken friendship. As a retired Navy Vet, I believe the military is just a swatch of the population as a whole. Your going to have great people and your going to have assholes... but your stereotypes of the military as a whole being uneducated, unmotivated.. etc.. etc are not factual and it's been so eloquently disputed by other former military members that I don't really need to go into that much further. It appears your attitudes towards the military need a second thought and could be being influenced by your community or your feelings towards war and politics. Last edited by Vabeachdude; 01-18-2010 at 08:50 AM.. |
01-23-2010, 10:18 PM | #45 (permalink) |
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Location: Orlando, Florida
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I don't grant any additional respect to military personnel over civilians. Possessing a certain job title has no innate bearing on the level of respect a person deserves. What matters to me are their reasons for signing up and what knowledge they had prior to entering military service. From my perspective, taking an individual's life on the basis of his or her country is unethical, regardless of whether or not a uniform is worn when the bullet pierces that individual's chest. Agreeing to perform such murders (and actually following through) earns nothing but disdain from me.
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01-23-2010, 10:38 PM | #46 (permalink) |
Oh dear God he breeded
Location: Arizona
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Violence has been very effective through the years in resovling conflicts. Like it or not, it works.
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01-25-2010, 06:54 AM | #48 (permalink) |
Oh dear God he breeded
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Violence is a tool like any other, it's all in how it's applied. To say that it is inherently wrong or unethical is, in my view, ignorant. Sometimes, violence is the only proper course of action.
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01-25-2010, 07:27 PM | #50 (permalink) | |
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Location: Orlando, Florida
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Characterizing violence as a tool in any sense is also a mistake, in my opinion. It is an action. The tool is the fist or rifle used for the purpose of violence. Both may have instrumental value, but that is the extent of their similarity. I am in favor of violence when it is in direct defense against harm, and no peaceful alternatives exist that would prevent the aforementioned harm from occuring. As I understand the typical military organization, its primary purpose is to protect national interests, not lives. I oppose any sort of entity that places greater value on a nation or its citizens than that of a foreign group of humans. If the military were primarily interested in defending lives, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis wouldn't be decomposing in mass graves. I am interested in understanding your ethical justification for placing greater value on one nation's citizens over another's, assuming you do. |
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