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curiousbear · 09-17-2008, 06:14 PM

Last night I watched Grizzly Man video. In the beginning I thought he is funny. Then I thought he is stupid. Then I thought he needed mental healthcare. Then I thought he is a criminal violating government rules and nature's law.

But after a while I just realized that I could relate myself to him. A very normal growing kid with self-esteem, good at school, good at sports, good at work. . . down the line at one point no longer the one that excels. Few failures in a row ruining the life. Getting in to bad habits, bad people, and even before you realize it... You are lost. No matter how hard you try, you could not pull yourself together.

Now you see the civilization around you, it sounds like you have to fight with it to live with it. You wonder whether you can runaway far a way some where to escape from it. Deep inside you have the persona with intelligence and diligence. But that helps only to manipulate your energy and anger to regulate it. But that is not enough to change your life. You are lost. It is too late to redefine what you and your life is.

But the sound persona inside still seeks to define purpose and meaning for your life. You falied, you are lost, you are nothing. But you crave for an identity, some place or thing where you belong. You badly want to beleive that you make a difference to something or someone...

Have you ever been on such a situation?
Have you ever been with people who were on such situation?
Have you ever considered to groom your children, nephew/neice, or students to prevent/handle such a possible situation in life when they grow in to adults?
Or show them examples with enough pictures, paper cutting and videos when they are young to help them understand how one could get lost in to undoable chaos?

Anormalguy · 09-17-2008, 06:50 PM

I can identify with those feelings, my life is deseperate need of change & improvement.

genuinegirly · 09-17-2008, 06:54 PM

What is this grizzly man video?

I have found myself walking along paths I did not choose nor did I desire, but found they suited me far more than I anticipated. Part of the human experience.

Manic_Skafe · 09-17-2008, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by genuinegirly

What is this grizzly man video?

I have found myself walking along paths I did not choose nor did I desire, but found they suited me far more than I anticipated. Part of the human experience.

I think Criousbear is speaking in reference to Timothy Treadwell of The Grizzly Man Diaries.

sapiens · 09-17-2008, 09:37 PM

I was thinking about the Werner Herzog film, also about Timothy Treadwell: Grizzly Man.

I found the film very provocative. At times I was impressed by Treadwell, was disgusted by Treadwell, pitied Treadwell. My wife and I talked a lot about the film.

I've found myself walking down paths I didn't expect, but never anything outside of what I felt was normal human experience. I try to teach my kids to handle adversity, but I don't expect them to become so dissociated with others that they find themselves in Treadwell's situation.

I usually counsel people to avoid Seuss, but I can't help myself. Watch out for the waiting place and avoid those Hakken-Kraks.

Oh, the Places You’ll Go! click to show

curiousbear · 09-17-2008, 10:28 PM

Thanks Manic_Skafe, that is the right video you pointed.

Sapiens, I discussed it with my wife. I too felt exactly same provocative, disgusted, pitied...
He was a psychopath, lived in illusion, as the director put it across... There was no hint of friendship in the expression of any of the bears he had caught in his camera. There is only Natures' Indifference and Hope and Search for Food!

The strong feeling I got that he knew exactly how his life is going to end in the Grizzly was the most stunning feeling for me...
Where I could admire him was that he also knew his connections with dark world and that he use to visit court houses to see people getting sentenced to keep himself under control. He articulated his urges towards extremism in a way that doesnt involve crimes that trouble people in thier civilization... God it is all too much to take.

Iliftrocks · 09-18-2008, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by curiousbear

Last night I watched Grizzly Man video. In the beginning I thought he is funny. Then I thought he is stupid. Then I thought he needed mental healthcare. Then I thought he is a criminal violating government rules and nature's law.

But after a while I just realized that I could relate myself to him. A very normal growing kid with self-esteem, good at school, good at sports, good at work. . . down the line at one point no longer the one that excels. Few failures in a row ruining the life. Getting in to bad habits, bad people, and even before you realize it... You are lost. No matter how hard you try, you could not pull yourself together.

Now you see the civilization around you, it sounds like you have to fight with it to live with it. You wonder whether you can runaway far a way some where to escape from it. Deep inside you have the persona with intelligence and diligence. But that helps only to manipulate your energy and anger to regulate it. But that is not enough to change your life. You are lost. It is too late to redefine what you and your life is.

But the sound persona inside still seeks to define purpose and meaning for your life. You falied, you are lost, you are nothing. But you crave for an identity, some place or thing where you belong. You badly want to beleive that you make a difference to something or someone...

Have you ever been on such a situation?
Have you ever been with people who were on such situation?
Have you ever considered to groom your children, nephew/neice, or students to prevent/handle such a possible situation in life when they grow in to adults?
Or show them examples with enough pictures, paper cutting and videos when they are young to help them understand how one could get lost in to undoable chaos?

A lot of that is how I feel about the world.... Luckily, I can talk myself out of most of the self-destructive stuff. I am trying to help my daughter see that there is more to life than sadness and despair. I kind of fake it. I figure kids take their queues from their parents and adults in general. If I don't panic and go into a tail-spin when the sh*t hits the fan, then she won't either.

Funny thing is, the feedback I get from her helps me to feel more positive about the rest of my life. Don't know what I'd do without her.

09-17-2008, 06:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
curiousbear Addict Location: WA	When lost, failed, repressed, restless ... Last night I watched Grizzly Man video. In the beginning I thought he is funny. Then I thought he is stupid. Then I thought he needed mental healthcare. Then I thought he is a criminal violating government rules and nature's law. But after a while I just realized that I could relate myself to him. A very normal growing kid with self-esteem, good at school, good at sports, good at work. . . down the line at one point no longer the one that excels. Few failures in a row ruining the life. Getting in to bad habits, bad people, and even before you realize it... You are lost. No matter how hard you try, you could not pull yourself together. Now you see the civilization around you, it sounds like you have to fight with it to live with it. You wonder whether you can runaway far a way some where to escape from it. Deep inside you have the persona with intelligence and diligence. But that helps only to manipulate your energy and anger to regulate it. But that is not enough to change your life. You are lost. It is too late to redefine what you and your life is. But the sound persona inside still seeks to define purpose and meaning for your life. You falied, you are lost, you are nothing. But you crave for an identity, some place or thing where you belong. You badly want to beleive that you make a difference to something or someone... Have you ever been on such a situation? Have you ever been with people who were on such situation? Have you ever considered to groom your children, nephew/neice, or students to prevent/handle such a possible situation in life when they grow in to adults? Or show them examples with enough pictures, paper cutting and videos when they are young to help them understand how one could get lost in to undoable chaos?

09-17-2008, 06:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
Anormalguy After School Special Moralist Location: Large City, Texas.	I can identify with those feelings, my life is deseperate need of change & improvement. __________________ In a society where the individual is not free to pursue the truth...there is neither progress, stability nor security.--Edward R. Murrow

09-17-2008, 06:54 PM	#3 (permalink)
genuinegirly Eat your vegetables Super Moderator Location: Arabidopsis-ville	What is this grizzly man video? I have found myself walking along paths I did not choose nor did I desire, but found they suited me far more than I anticipated. Part of the human experience. __________________ "Sometimes I have to remember that things are brought to me for a reason, either for my own lessons or for the benefit of others." Cynthetiq "violence is no more or less real than non-violence." roachboy

09-17-2008, 09:37 PM	#5 (permalink)
sapiens Junkie Location: Some place windy	I was thinking about the Werner Herzog film, also about Timothy Treadwell: Grizzly Man. I found the film very provocative. At times I was impressed by Treadwell, was disgusted by Treadwell, pitied Treadwell. My wife and I talked a lot about the film. I've found myself walking down paths I didn't expect, but never anything outside of what I felt was normal human experience. I try to teach my kids to handle adversity, but I don't expect them to become so dissociated with others that they find themselves in Treadwell's situation. I usually counsel people to avoid Seuss, but I can't help myself. Watch out for the waiting place and avoid those Hakken-Kraks. Oh, the Places You’ll Go! click to show Congratulations! Today is your day. You’re off to Great Places! You’re off and away! You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes You can steer yourself any direction you choose. You’re on your own. And you know what you know. And YOU are the guy who’ll decide where to go. You’ll look up and down streets. Look ‘em over with care. About some you will say, “I don’t choose to go there.” With your head full of brains and your shoes full of feet, you’re too smart to go down any not-so-good street. And you may not find any you’ll want to go down. In that case, of course, you’ll head straight out of town. It’s opener there in the wide open air. Out there things can happen and frequently do to people as brainy and footsy as you. And when things start to happen, don’t worry. Don’t stew. Just go right along. You’ll start happening too. OH! THE PLACES YOU’LL GO! You’ll be on your way up! You’ll be seeing great sights! You’ll join the high fliers who soar to high heights. You won’t lag behind, because you’ll have the speed. You’ll pass the whole gang and you’ll soon take the lead. Wherever you fly, you’ll be the best of the best. Wherever you go, you will top all the rest. Except when you don’t Because, sometimes, you won’t. I’m sorry to say so but, sadly, it’s true and hang-ups can happen to you. You can get all hung up in a prickle-ly perch. And your gang will fly on. You’ll be left in a Lurch. You’ll come down from the Lurch with an unpleasant bump. And the chances are, then, that you’ll be in a Slump. And when you’re in a Slump, you’re not in for much fun. Un-slumping yourself is not easily done. You will come to a place where the streets are not marked. Some windows are lighted. But mostly they’re darked. A place you could sprain both you elbow and chin! Do you dare to stay out? Do you dare to go in? How much can you lose? How much can you win? And IF you go in, should you turn left or right… or right-and-three-quarters? Or, maybe, not quite? Or go around back and sneak in from behind? Simple it’s not, I’m afraid you will find, for a mind-maker-upper to make up his mind. You can get so confused that you’ll start in to race down long wiggled roads at a break-necking pace and grind on for miles across weirdish wild space, headed, I fear, toward a most useless place. The Waiting Place… …for people just waiting. Waiting for a train to go or a bus to come, or a plane to go or the mail to come, or the rain to go or the phone to ring, or the snow to snow or waiting around for a Yes or a No or waiting for their hair to grow. Everyone is just waiting. Waiting for the fish to bite or waiting for wind to fly a kite or waiting around for Friday night or waiting, perhaps, for their Uncle Jake or a pot to boil, or a Better Break or a sting of pearls, or a pair of pants or a wig with curls, or Another Chance. Everyone is just waiting. NO! That’s not for you! Somehow you’ll escape all that waiting and staying. You’ll find the bright places where Boom Bands are playing. With banner flip-flapping, once more you’ll ride high! Ready for anything under the sky. Ready because you’re that kind of a guy! Oh, the places you’ll go! There is fun to be done! There are points to be scored. There are games to be won. And the magical things you can do with that ball will make you the winning-est winner of all. Fame! You’ll be famous as famous can be, with the whole wide world watching you win on TV. Except when they don’t. Because, sometimes, they won’t. I’m afraid that some times you’ll play lonely games too. Games you can’t win ’cause you’ll play against you. All Alone! Whether you like it or not, Alone will be something you’ll be quite a lot. And when you’re alone, there’s a very good chance you’ll meet things that scare you right out of your pants. There are some, down the road between hither and yon, that can scare you so much you won’t want to go on. But on you will go though the weather be foul On you will go though your enemies prowl On you will go though the Hakken-Kraks howl Onward up many a frightening creek, though your arms may get sore and your sneakers may leak. On and on you will hike and I know you’ll hike far and face up to your problems whatever they are. You’ll get mixed up, of course, as you already know. You’ll get mixed up with many strange birds as you go. So be sure when you step. Step with care and great tact and remember that Life’s a Great Balancing Act. Just never forget to be dexterous and deft. And never mix up your right foot with your left. And will you succeed? Yes! You will, indeed! (98 and 3/4 percent guaranteed.) KID, YOU’LL MOVE MOUNTAINS! So… be your name Buxbaum or Bixby or Bray or Mordecai Ali Van Allen O’Shea, you’re off to Great Places! Today is your day! Your mountain is waiting. So…get on your way!

09-17-2008, 10:28 PM	#6 (permalink)
curiousbear Addict Location: WA	Thanks Manic_Skafe, that is the right video you pointed. Sapiens, I discussed it with my wife. I too felt exactly same provocative, disgusted, pitied... He was a psychopath, lived in illusion, as the director put it across... There was no hint of friendship in the expression of any of the bears he had caught in his camera. There is only Natures' Indifference and Hope and Search for Food! The strong feeling I got that he knew exactly how his life is going to end in the Grizzly was the most stunning feeling for me... Where I could admire him was that he also knew his connections with dark world and that he use to visit court houses to see people getting sentenced to keep himself under control. He articulated his urges towards extremism in a way that doesnt involve crimes that trouble people in thier civilization... God it is all too much to take.