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Mehoni · 05-28-2004, 08:49 AM

Would vegetarians eat meat from a replicator?

Yakk · 05-28-2004, 12:47 PM

Maybe.

There are "vegitarians" who:
1> Do not eat the byproduct of animals, like milk or eggs.
2> Do not eat the bodies of plants. They are known as "fruitarians" IIRC.

There are also "vegitarians" who:
1> Eat fish/insects.
2> Eat chicken.
3> Are willing to eat incidental animal products (like rennet)

So, "when" replicators appear, there will be "vegitarians" who eat replicated meat, and others who do not.

SiN · 05-28-2004, 01:38 PM

mhm..depends on one's reasons for being a vegetarian.

I know I don't miss steak (or anything else that so closely resembles chewing on a muscle so similar to my own)...but replicated chicken, most likely, sure.

Jay Francis · 05-28-2004, 07:24 PM

One of the most bizarre things for me is go to a Chinese vegetarian restaurant and see surrogate organ meats on the menu. Wheat gluten fake kidneys, intestines, etc. Very eery

cthulu23 · 05-28-2004, 07:28 PM

If no animal was harmed in the creation of the food, then there would be no moral problem with the consumption of the replicated food. The vegetarian ideal is based on the cessation of suffering so, unless replicators are fueled by puppy blood (or something like that), they would have no problem with that.

In my estimation, the Federation probably qualifies as the most cruelty-free government ever depicted in pop culture.

Daval · 05-31-2004, 05:27 AM

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Originally posted by cthulu23
unless replicators are fueled by puppy blood (or something like that), they would have no problem with that.

This line made me laugh out loud in my office. Almost got me in trouble :P

Rodney · 05-31-2004, 06:20 AM

Could they? Yes. Would they? Depends on their mindset. For some, vegetarianism is dogma, and they would avoid anything that even appeared to come from a living animal. I've met some hard-core vegans (no eggs or milk) who won't even eat a soy dog for that reason. They think that it's virtuous to give up the idea of eating meat altogether.

That said, people like this are in the minority. There would be some who wouldn't eat replicated meat simply because they don't think meat is healthy, whether real or replicated. But people like this don't usually have trouble scarfing a soy hotdog or a veggie burger, 'cause it isn't really meat.

kutulu · 06-04-2004, 10:51 AM

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Originally posted by cthulu23
If no animal was harmed in the creation of the food, then there would be no moral problem with the consumption of the replicated food. The vegetarian ideal is based on the cessation of suffering so, unless replicators are fueled by puppy blood (or something like that), they would have no problem with that.

That is the key flaw in the vegan diet. Rodents and insects are killed in the harvesting of the grain they eat. If they don't buy pesticide free food insects are killed. They like to justify themselves saying it's collateral damage but can't I just say that killing the cow is collateral damage?

CSflim · 06-04-2004, 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by kutulu
That is the key flaw in the vegan diet. Rodents and insects are killed in the harvesting of the grain they eat. If they don't buy pesticide free food insects are killed. They like to justify themselves saying it's collateral damage but can't I just say that killing the cow is collateral damage?

Reminds me of Maddox:

http://maddox.xmission.com/grill.html

Quote:

Guiltless grill? Is there another kind?

I was looking over a menu in a restaurant the other day when I saw a section for vegetarians; I thought to myself "boy, I sure am glad that I'm not a meat-hating fascist" and I skipped on to the steak section (because I'll be damned if I'm going to pay $15 for an alfalfa sandwich, slice of cucumber and a scoop of cold cottage cheese), but before I turned the page something caught my eye. The heading of the vegetarian section was titled "Guiltless Grill," not because there were menu items with fewer calories and cholesterol (since there were "healthy" chicken dishes discriminated against in this section), but because none of the items used animal products. Think about that phrase for a second. What exactly does "guiltless grill" imply? So I'm supposed to feel guilty now if I eat meat? Screw you.

What pisses me off so much about this phrase is the sheer narrow-mindedness of these stuck up vegetarian assholes. You think you're saving the world by eating a tofu-burger and sticking to a diet of grains and berries? Well here's something that not many vegetarians know (or care to acknowledge): every year millions of animals are killed by wheat and soy bean combines during harvesting season (source). Oh yeah, go on and on for hours about how all of us meat eaters are going to hell for having a steak, but conveniently ignore the fact that each year millions of mice, rabbits, snakes, skunks, possums, squirrels, gophers and rats are ruthlessly murdered as a direct result of YOUR dieting habits. What's that? I'm sorry, I don't hear any more elitist banter from you pompous cocks. Could it be because your shit has been RUINED?

That's right: the gloves have come off. The vegetarian response to this embarrassing fact is "well, at least we're not killing intentionally." So let me get this straight; not only are animals ruthlessly being murdered as a direct result of your diet, but you're not even using the meat of the animals YOU kill? At least we're eating the animals we kill (and although we also contribute to the slaughter of animals during grain harvesting, keep in mind that we're not the ones with a moral qualm about it), not just leaving them to rot in a field somewhere. That makes you just as morally repugnant than any meat-eater any day. Not only that, but you're killing free-roaming animals, not animals that were raised for feed. Their bodies get mangled in the combine's machinery, bones crushed, and you have the audacity to point fingers at the meat industry for humanely punching a spike through a cow's neck? If you think that tofu burgers come at no cost to animals or the environment, guess again.

To even suggest that your meal is some how "guiltless" is absurd. The defense "at least we're not killing intentionally" is bullshit anyway. How is it not intentional if you KNOW that millions of animals die every year in combines during harvest? You expect me to believe that you somehow unintentionally pay money to buy products that support farmers that use combines to harvest their fields? Even if it was somehow unintentional, so what? That suddenly makes you innocent? I guess we should let drunk drivers off the hook too since they don't kill intentionally either, right? There's no way out of this one. The only option left for you dipshits is to buy some land, plant and pick your own crops. Impractical? Yeah, well, so is your stupid diet.

Even if combines aren't used to harvest your food, you think that buying fruits and vegetables (organic or otherwise) is any better? How do you think they get rid of bugs that eat crops in large fields? You think they just put up signs and ask parasites to politely go somewhere else? Actually, I wouldn't put that suggestion past you hippies. One of the methods they use to get rid of pests is to introduce a high level of predators for each particular prey, which wreaks all sorts of havoc on the natural balance of predator/prey populations--causing who knows what kind of damage to the environment. Oops, did I just expose you moral-elitists for being frauds? Damndest thing.

A number of people have pointed out that the amount of grain grown to feed animals for slaughter every year is greater than the amount of grain grown for humans. So I guess the amount of grain grown for human consumption suddenly becomes negligible and we can conveniently ignore the fact that animals are still ruthlessly murdered either way because of your diet, right? Not to mention that the majority of grain grown for livestock is tough as rocks, coarse, and so low-grade that it's only fit for animal consumption in the first place. Spare me the "you could feed 500 people with the grain used to feed one cow" line of shit; it's not the same grain. Then there are the people who jump on the bandwagon with "you could plant billions of potatoes on the land used for cows"--good point, except for the fact that not every plot of land is equally fertile; you think farmers always have a choice on what they do with their land? Also, many vegetarians don't know (or care to acknowledge) that in many parts of the United States they have "control hunts" in which hunting permits are passed out whenever there is a pest problem (the pest here is deer, elk and antelope) that threatens wheat, soy, vegetable and other crops; this happens several times per year. Then some of you throw out claims that "we are trying to limit the suffering." How about you limit MY suffering and shut the hell up about your stupid diet for a change; nobody cares. Even if the number of animals that die in combine deaths every year isn't in the millions, even if it's just one, are you suggesting that the life of one baby rabbit isn't worth saving? Are you placing a value on life? Enjoy your tofu, murderers.

kutulu · 06-04-2004, 03:37 PM

lol, Maddux is great. I loved his take on Comp USA.

http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=compusa_sucks

I went there to ask two simple question when building my computer. I wanted to know if I should buy screws to hold my HD, and drives in place and what type if any. Instead of actually helping me the asshole talks down to me a little and then tries to get me to spend $30 on a mounting kit. I didn't see "Jackass" written across my head but I guess he did.

pinkie · 06-30-2004, 09:17 AM

So it's the taste of fear that vegetarians dislike so?

05-28-2004, 08:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
Mehoni Insane Location: Within the Woods	Vegetarians and replicators Would vegetarians eat meat from a replicator? __________________ There seem to be countless rituals and cultural beliefs designed to alleviate their fear of a simple biological truth - all organisms eventually perish.

05-28-2004, 12:47 PM	#2 (permalink)
Yakk Wehret Den Anfängen! Location: Ontario, Canada	Maybe. There are "vegitarians" who: 1> Do not eat the byproduct of animals, like milk or eggs. 2> Do not eat the bodies of plants. They are known as "fruitarians" IIRC. There are also "vegitarians" who: 1> Eat fish/insects. 2> Eat chicken. 3> Are willing to eat incidental animal products (like rennet) So, "when" replicators appear, there will be "vegitarians" who eat replicated meat, and others who do not. __________________ Last edited by JHVH : 10-29-4004 BC at 09:00 PM. Reason: Time for a rest.

05-28-2004, 01:38 PM	#3 (permalink)
SiN strangelove Location: ...more here than there...	mhm..depends on one's reasons for being a vegetarian. I know I don't miss steak (or anything else that so closely resembles chewing on a muscle so similar to my own)...but replicated chicken, most likely, sure. __________________ - + - ° GiRLie GeeK ° - + - ° 01110010011011110110111101110100001000000110110101100101 Therell be days/When Ill stray/I may appear to be/Constantly out of reach/I give in to sin/Because I like to practise what I preach

06-04-2004, 03:37 PM	#10 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	lol, Maddux is great. I loved his take on Comp USA. http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=compusa_sucks I went there to ask two simple question when building my computer. I wanted to know if I should buy screws to hold my HD, and drives in place and what type if any. Instead of actually helping me the asshole talks down to me a little and then tries to get me to spend $30 on a mounting kit. I didn't see "Jackass" written across my head but I guess he did. Last edited by kutulu; 06-04-2004 at 03:41 PM..

05-28-2004, 07:24 PM	#4 (permalink)
Jay Francis Psycho Location: Houston, Texas	One of the most bizarre things for me is go to a Chinese vegetarian restaurant and see surrogate organ meats on the menu. Wheat gluten fake kidneys, intestines, etc. Very eery

05-28-2004, 07:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
cthulu23 Banned	If no animal was harmed in the creation of the food, then there would be no moral problem with the consumption of the replicated food. The vegetarian ideal is based on the cessation of suffering so, unless replicators are fueled by puppy blood (or something like that), they would have no problem with that. In my estimation, the Federation probably qualifies as the most cruelty-free government ever depicted in pop culture.

05-31-2004, 06:20 AM	#7 (permalink)
Rodney Observant Ruminant Location: Rich Wannabe Hippie Town	Could they? Yes. Would they? Depends on their mindset. For some, vegetarianism is dogma, and they would avoid anything that even appeared to come from a living animal. I've met some hard-core vegans (no eggs or milk) who won't even eat a soy dog for that reason. They think that it's virtuous to give up the idea of eating meat altogether. That said, people like this are in the minority. There would be some who wouldn't eat replicated meat simply because they don't think meat is healthy, whether real or replicated. But people like this don't usually have trouble scarfing a soy hotdog or a veggie burger, 'cause it isn't really meat.

06-30-2004, 09:17 AM	#11 (permalink)
pinkie Helplessly hoping Location: Above the stars	So it's the taste of fear that vegetarians dislike so?