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Old 12-26-2006, 01:33 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Physics question...of sorts.

I woke up from a nap today and immediately asked my wife the following question: "If you put a human being in a particle accelerator and turn it on, what happens to him?"

She replied with "What the fuck is wrong with you?"

I thought maybe the TFP would have a more scientific answer.
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Old 12-26-2006, 03:07 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Essentially it depends on what you have running round the particle accelerator.

Generally you'd be hitting them with a vast ammount of energy, a moderate ammount of high speed (nearly light speed) matter, and probably a large whallop of ionising radiation (unless you generated a neutron beam).

Pretty much, you'd fry them, punch a hole through them, cook them, and give them radiation poisoning at the same time.

That's assuming that they didn't try to move in the hyper-strong magnetic field - which would cause magnetic eddies in the fluids of the body, and cause them to boil.
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Old 12-26-2006, 10:02 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Don't forget the vacuum. You'll explode and/or suffocate.

I wonder about the magnetic field though. The (smallish) particle accelerator I visited once had a magnetic field of 3 - 4 Tesla, and I've been in a 1.5 Tesla field for almost half an hour once and didn't notice anything weird (except the cold and noise from the field generators).
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Old 12-26-2006, 10:05 AM   #4 (permalink)
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It would probably give you super powers.
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Old 12-26-2006, 02:10 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Old 12-26-2006, 07:37 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Don't forget the vacuum. You'll explode and/or suffocate.
You won't explode. the body does not blow up in a vacuum. In fact, exposure to vacuum for 30 seconds or so is considered surviveable by NASA as long as you don't try to hold your breath (would damage the lungs)
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Old 12-27-2006, 01:05 PM   #7 (permalink)
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You won't explode. the body does not blow up in a vacuum. In fact, exposure to vacuum for 30 seconds or so is considered surviveable by NASA as long as you don't try to hold your breath (would damage the lungs)
I wonder what it would feel like to be in a vacuum...

The super hero comment made me LOL
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Old 12-28-2006, 09:26 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I wonder what it would feel like to be in a vacuum...
It sucks.
(Sorry: couldn't resist.)
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Old 12-29-2006, 04:36 AM   #9 (permalink)
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She replied with "What the fuck is wrong with you?"

I thought maybe the TFP would have a more scientific answer.
You're sick.
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Old 01-13-2007, 06:21 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Old 01-18-2007, 12:14 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I would think that if the person is made of particles, they would accellerate (hence the name of the device).
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Old 01-18-2007, 05:25 PM   #12 (permalink)
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"If you put a human being in a particle accelerator and turn it on, what happens to him?"
Turn the particle accelerator on, or the human being?
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Old 01-25-2007, 11:47 PM   #13 (permalink)
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A human being would die instantly as there are not particle accelerators large enough for an intact human body to fit inside.

Even if you could, there wouldn't be enough power to accelerate something as large as a 150 pound human body, which essentially has a neutral charge and would thus be fairly unresponsive to magnets.
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Old 02-03-2007, 02:15 PM   #14 (permalink)
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What I have to wonder out loud is: Exactly what is the inspiration for the OP's original question?
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Old 02-04-2007, 09:28 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Prince,
since I'm pretty sure a human won't fit into any existing particle accelerator, I wonder if your question can be reworded to one of these? Or am I twisting your question off target by asking these?

1) what happens as you accelerate a human to near the speed of light? (it could be a long, slow acceleration so forces don't have destructive effects, and forget about how long it takes and how long a human actually lives)

2) what happens if a human is bombarded with a stream of particles travelling at or near the speed of light if those particles are either electrons, protons, neutrons, neutrinos, etc? ...choose the particle you like most.

Or were you just trying to make your wife feel good?
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Old 02-07-2007, 06:55 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Prince,
since I'm pretty sure a human won't fit into any existing particle accelerator, I wonder if your question can be reworded to one of these? Or am I twisting your question off target by asking these?

1) what happens as you accelerate a human to near the speed of light? (it could be a long, slow acceleration so forces don't have destructive effects, and forget about how long it takes and how long a human actually lives)

2) what happens if a human is bombarded with a stream of particles travelling at or near the speed of light if those particles are either electrons, protons, neutrons, neutrinos, etc? ...choose the particle you like most.

Or were you just trying to make your wife feel good?
Actually, those are the questions I meant to ask.

What brought this up was an X-Files episode, in which they had, if memory serves me, a particle accelerator large enough for a person to fit into. Maybe it wasn't a particle accelerator, but that's how I remember it. Anyway, we all know that the science in the X-Files is sound, but I thought I'd ask what the real world makes of it.
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Old 02-07-2007, 01:26 PM   #17 (permalink)
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As far as I understand it:

1) Nothing much. Nothing at all, in fact. That's the thing about relativity. The person being accelerated wouldn't feel any different - they'd only feel the acceleration. To anyone standing around outside the accelerator, you'd see the usual relativistic effects - length contraction, the acceleratee aging more slowly, that sort of thing. But otherwise, nothing - unless, of course, a brick wall got in the way. Also, when they're moving that fast - don't blink or you'll miss 'em.

2) Neutrinos would be fine - they ignore pretty much everything. You'd need a REALLY intense neutrino source nearby for much to happen - like a supernova in your solar system. During the average person's lifetime, the odds are that just ONE neutrino interaction will happen in a given person's body. That's over eighty-odd years, and despite being constantly bombarded by a flood of billions of neutrinos every second from the Sun (plus sundries), twenty-four hours a day (they pass straight through the Earth).

The other stuff - not fun. OzOz is not volunteering to be placed in a beam of electrons, protons or neutrons.
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Old 02-12-2007, 09:22 PM   #18 (permalink)
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1) Well, they might have to reset their watch after their ride.
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Old 02-12-2007, 10:47 PM   #19 (permalink)
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My God, I may have finally found a home..........my lesser half asks "WTF is wrong with you" on a regular basis..........I'll tell her that when you look at the night sky, you're looking into the past.....that the light from those stars may have taken hundreds or thousands of years to get here, so if a star a thousand light years away goes nova we wouldnt see it for a thousand years, and when we do see it, it already happened a thousand years ago......and of course she says"WTF is wrong with you.........."
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Old 02-16-2007, 04:33 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I am not thinking that the magnetic field is strong enough to boil you. A powerful modern electromagnetic has the ability to produce 16 tesla, and all it had the ability to levitate a frog from the minuscule diamagnetic fields in that frog. The frog didn't even care. It was just in the field trying to jump away not understanding that it can't.

Would I want to be in an accelerator? No. I am stocky enough and don't need the kinetic energy of particles being transformed into more mass from collisions.
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Old 02-16-2007, 06:05 PM   #21 (permalink)
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There are actually different types of particle accelerators... what kind are you talking about?

I have a friend who is a particle physicist. He runs projects at Fermilab, CERN and in the Nutrino thing in Japan. He once told me this story about a Russian scientist who stuck his head into a particle beam:

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Anatoli Bugorski is a Russian scientist who was involved in an accident with a particle accelerator in 1978.

He was working on the maintenance of a Soviet linear accelerator, when, due to a failed safety mechanism, he was able to stick his head in one part of the accelerator chamber while the proton beam was running. The left half of his face swelled up beyond recognition, and over the next several days started peeling off, showing that the proton beam (moving at about the speed of sound)had burned through parts of his face, his bone, and the brain tissue underneath. Amazingly, he has survived to this day: he is able to function perfectly well, save the fact that he has occasional petit mal seizures and very occasional grand mal seizures. The left half of his face was frozen, due to the destruction of nerves, and does not age.
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Old 02-16-2007, 08:21 PM   #22 (permalink)
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The left half of his face was frozen, due to the destruction of nerves, and does not age.
Botox can eat a dick! A billion dollars goes to whomever can figure out how to put miniature particle accelerators in beauty salons.
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Old 02-24-2007, 04:35 PM   #23 (permalink)
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"And does not age"

I love it.. that ending, what a paragraph. He doesn't have a painting of the left side of his face do you think - that ages instead.
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Old 03-10-2007, 02:01 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Since you're in a vacuum, even if you exhale your lungs will fill with blood because your circulatory system will be under pressure and your lungs would not. You would drown in your own blood within a few minutes.
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Actually, those are the questions I meant to ask.

What brought this up was an X-Files episode, in which they had, if memory serves me, a particle accelerator large enough for a person to fit into. Maybe it wasn't a particle accelerator, but that's how I remember it. Anyway, we all know that the science in the X-Files is sound, but I thought I'd ask what the real world makes of it.
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